• ‘Occupy’ protesters interrupt Ron Paul: ‘Why do you hate gays?’
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;33953616]"Vote for someone else then" is absolutely NOT polite[/QUOTE] He didn't say that, he said something along the lines of "Well if that's the most important issue to you this election, I'm not the candidate for you." Which is perfectly valid seeing as that specific issue is not a priority among most Republicans, who are much more concerned with the economy and jobs.
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;33952978]I still to this day wonder why homosexuality and gay marriage is even an issue. Why the fuck should it matter if people are gay or not? It's a fucking given that everyone deserves an equal amount of rights, but the fact that this has to be a national debate is rage-inducing. What the fuck, America, and what the fuck, world?[/QUOTE] Religion.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33953616]"Vote for someone else then" is absolutely NOT polite[/QUOTE] even though i like to think newt was being a smug cunt about it, i'm not sure what else you could expect him to say?
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;33952978]I still to this day wonder why homosexuality and gay marriage is even an issue. Why the fuck should it matter if people are gay or not? It's a fucking given that everyone deserves an equal amount of rights, but the fact that this has to be a national debate is rage-inducing. What the fuck, America, and what the fuck, world?[/QUOTE] It's pretty much a non-issue around here. Gays can be married in Sweden, and here in Denmark they can do essentially the same, although they can't do it in a church. It goes beyond me why we haven't changed that last piece already, but it's getting heavily discussed. I can see that it might be against what the bibles says (and as though it actually wouldn't make sense with the church), but the bible contradicts itself every other page, and as far as I remember, it does as well on this area.
Let's put it this way. My parents are moderately conservative, and they're considering voting for Obama.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;33953460]That was one study. And later they found out that the subjects weren't "turned on", they were just extremely uncomfortable and repulsed. And saying that homophobes are homosexuals is stupid. [b]I'm a homophobe,[/b] I don't like being around or seeing anything gay, but that doesn't mean I'm so totally into dudes.[/QUOTE] Why?
[QUOTE=CatFodder;33953939]Why?[/QUOTE] because gays are grose n shit i love pussy stay away homos
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33953616]"Vote for someone else then" is absolutely NOT polite[/QUOTE] He did the right thing, there wasn't really any other thing he could do anyway. Expanding on what [post=33953678]Elecbullet[/post] said, if he decided to change his answer to appease that one guy, then he'll come off as a flip-flopper. He did the best thing he could possibly do, he told the man that he wasn't representing his views and he shouldn't vote for him. If anything I consider such honestly to be honorable.
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;33952978]I still to this day wonder why homosexuality and gay marriage is even an issue. Why the fuck should it matter if people are gay or not? It's a fucking given that everyone deserves an equal amount of rights, but the fact that this has to be a national debate is rage-inducing. What the fuck, America, and what the fuck, world?[/QUOTE] Because marriage is a Christian thing, so Christian rules apply to what a marriage is about and what it's not about. I don't have a problem with gay marriage, but I can see where some people from the opposition are coming from. If you change enough of something and still call it by the old name, it does tend to bug me as well, especially if I really believe in said thing. But I think that has less something to do with sexual orientation and more with semantics and the value of Christian marriage in contemporary society. It [i]is[/i] after all from a day where women where goods and marriage were bargains and family politics first and love second, formal marriage being the binding contract. There is no requirement of marriage or a Christian ritual to solidify someone's commitment and feelings after all, it's just that traditions die hard.
Can someone enlighten me how he hates gays again, I haven't been following. Last time I heard of his stance on it, he is completely not bothered by it.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;33953460]That was one study. And later they found out that the subjects weren't "turned on", they were just extremely uncomfortable and repulsed. And saying that homophobes are homosexuals is stupid. I'm a homophobe, I don't like being around or seeing anything gay, but that doesn't mean I'm so totally into dudes.[/QUOTE] you shall find no haven here
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;33953460]I'm a homophobe, I don't like being around or seeing anything gay, but that doesn't mean I'm so totally into dudes.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.facepunch.com/avatar/329227.png?garryis=awesome[/img]
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;33953460]That was one study. And later they found out that the subjects weren't "turned on", they were just extremely uncomfortable and repulsed.[/QUOTE] If that were truth, then it would mean that men get extreme erections from sitting on freshly-painted hardwood benches. [QUOTE]And saying that homophobes are homosexuals is stupid. I'm a homophobe, I don't like being around or seeing anything gay, but that doesn't mean I'm so totally into dudes.[/QUOTE] How can we take your word for it? If you're gay and repress it with homophobic views, then of course you're going to say you're grossed out by gays.
The argument against gays is really stupid IMO. It's not like it harms anyone.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;33953290]If we're not supposed to care if people are gay, then why should we care if someone else doesn't like gay people?[/QUOTE] If we're not supposed to care if people are Jewish, then why should we care if someone else doesn't like Jews? Yeah, I fucking went there.
[QUOTE=smurfy;33952899]Not really sure how they got labelled "Occupy protesters" when they weren't occupying anything, seems to me like it's dissolved into a larger movement now[/QUOTE] You would think they would spend a little more time on crony capitalism (their first main target) and accomplish a bit more in that respect before protesting politicians because of they don't like gay people. A politician that is friendly to them at that. [editline]29th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33953598]I don't get it, when did he explicitly state that he hates gays? I thought Ron Paul was the one who opposed a federal marriage amendemnt and wanted to give states the right to decide on that issue (which is what DOMA already does... gives states the rights to decide for themselves)[/QUOTE] Facepunch forgets that states has their own political system. It's not like (as far as I know) that he is going to outlaw gay marriage, he's going to leave it up to the states, which people have a more a direct control over. They're going after his personal conviction rather than his policy. If his personal conviction does not effect his policy, that is a good thing. Would we rather have a president that is going to legalize gay marriage? Yeah, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Really should be voicing about something else. (money related)
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;33953283]Every candidate has policies that harm someone in some way. The candidates are aware of this. Usually they don't particularly think this is a terrible thing due to moral reasons. The persons being harmed then have every opportunity to create a very awkward moment for the candidate. Meaning, this. Or, Joe the Plumber (remember him?) The best thing the candidate can do at that point is take it humorously. Newt Gingrich was approached by a gay man inquiring about gay marriage, and rather politely, given the circumstances, told the gay man that Newt wouldn't be the best candidate for him to vote for, if that's his platform. Everyone still gave him shit because he was a conservative being conservative but he was very polite given the circumstances.[/QUOTE] What does him being polite have to do with anything? [editline]29th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Elecbullet;33953678]The fuck do you want him to say then, that doesn't involve massively changing his opinion on gay rights? [/QUOTE] Him to be honest and say "i'm an assbackwards homophobic bigoted cunt who has no place in modern politics outside of the 12th century." [editline]29th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33953598]I don't get it, when did he explicitly state that he hates gays?[/QUOTE] every fucking time he votes on an issue regarding gays and when he's asked about it? You don't have to say "I hate gays" to be fucking obvious that you hate gays.
I'm fairly certain when he said, "freedom of speech, ain't it wonderful" it was directed towards the protesters. There are TWO ways you can take this, you can take as if hes hating gays, or you can take it as if hes stating the obvious, "free speech, ain't it wonderful" I wonder if he even heard that single protester all over the shouting.. I mean did anybody else watch the video?
I don't know, even if Ron Paul truly doesn't like gays I'd almost say he's entitled to his opinion since it doesn't show through in his political side. What I'm saying is he puts aside his personal feelings about homosexuals when it comes to laws and liberty. Which is how politicians should be
[QUOTE=Aman VII;33955745]I don't know, even if Ron Paul truly doesn't like gays I'd almost say he's entitled to his opinion since it doesn't show through in his political side. What I'm saying is he puts aside his personal feelings about homosexuals when it comes to laws and liberty. Which is how politicians should be[/QUOTE] Your personal views will always influence the way you go about life - including how you behave as a president. Some people can minimalize this but it's still unavoidable!!!
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;33953474]That is a blanket statement which is untrue. They are more likely to be gay, though.[/QUOTE] I'm still using it against homophobes, just because it might get them to shut up.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;33953678]The fuck do you want him to say then, that doesn't involve massively changing his opinion on gay rights? Also you intentionally reworded it to be rude. EDIT: Zeke129[/QUOTE] Yeah, he can be anti-gay if he wants. He's a huge fucking douchebag and a bigot for it though.
Everyone attacking Survivor is just exacerbating things. Why do you have to make it "us vs them"? People should[B]n't[/B] be forced to change their views, just the laws.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;33953678]The fuck do you want him to say then, that doesn't involve massively changing his opinion on gay rights? Also you intentionally reworded it to be rude. EDIT: Zeke129[/QUOTE] The only polite thing is to massively change his opinion on gay rights If you believe someone should be treated as a lesser human being because of their sexual orientation you are, by definition, impolite [editline]29th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Aman VII;33955745]I don't know, even if Ron Paul truly doesn't like gays I'd almost say he's entitled to his opinion since it doesn't show through in his political side. What I'm saying is he puts aside his personal feelings about homosexuals when it comes to laws and liberty. Which is how politicians should be[/QUOTE] But it DOES carry on to his political side. He called Don't Ask Don't Tell a "decent policy", he said the equal protection clause of the constitution shouldn't be able to be used to stop states from criminalizing gay sex, despite saying he opposes a federal definition of marriage he spoke in [i]support[/i] of the Defense of Marriage Act, he co-sponsored the Marriage Protection Act which would have prevented federal judges from hearing cases regarding the constitutionality of DOMA, and he supported a bill that would have prevented federal money from being spent on the adoption of children by individuals not married. The only good thing he's ever done in regards to gay rights is ultimately voting to repeal DADT.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33956273]The only polite thing is to massively change his opinion on gay rights If you believe someone should be treated as a lesser human being because of their sexual orientation you are, by definition, impolite[/QUOTE] And that's putting it gently. Also, when did Occupy become the real life equivalent of Anonymous?
[QUOTE=Mr. N;33954042]Can someone enlighten me how he hates gays again, I haven't been following. Last time I heard of his stance on it, he is completely not bothered by it.[/QUOTE] Through his stance on state rights, he's essentially condemning any progress if he were elected.
[QUOTE=Nikota;33956382]Through his stance on state rights, he's essentially condemning any progress if he were elected.[/QUOTE] i'd love to hear how
Prime example of Facepunch logic. [QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;33952978]I still to this day wonder why homosexuality and gay marriage is even an issue. Why the fuck should it matter if people are gay or not? It's a fucking given that everyone deserves an equal amount of rights, but the fact that this has to be a national debate is rage-inducing. What the fuck, America, and what the fuck, world?[/QUOTE] Why do people hate gays? Fair enough question. [QUOTE=Jad Hinto;33952986]Mainly because of the Bible condemning it due to the high birth mortality back then.[/QUOTE] because religion [QUOTE=Drsalvador;33953014]The Bible is a crock of shit.[/QUOTE] man fuck da religion
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;33956432]Prime example of Facepunch logic. Why do people hate gays? Fair enough question. because religion man fuck da religion[/QUOTE] It's essentially true though. A lot of homophobes tend to pull the 'sanctity of marriage and all that jazz' card when discussing gay marriage which has its roots firmly set in the Bible.
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