Christian leader wants to tax atheists for not going to church
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[quote]It's not the title of an Onion article. It's not humor at all. Right here, in the United States of America, a prominent Christian leader is calling for taxes on people who do not go to church. Bryan Fisher, of the American Family Association, had this to say during his radio show:
“Because after all, Obamacare is all about improving the health of the American people,” the radio host explained. “We know that going to church is good for you, it’s good for your health. So we are going to mandate that you go to church for your own health and we are going to tax the atheists who don’t go to church.”
Bryan Fisher has slid down his own slippery slope into pathetic fatuity. How does one begin to consider this rationally? It really does sound like comedy. Of course, America was founded on the Enlightenment concept that religion is a private matter, and the government must never make a law respecting an establishment of religion. The idea of taxing atheists for not being religious is absurd, unconstitutional, and histrionic.
Beyond the obvious absurdity, we must also look at the claim that going to church is good for you. It's a highly suspect assertion, on a number of levels. To begin with, the United States is uniquely religious in the First World, and also uniquely dysfunctional when it comes to things like STI transmission, teen motherhood, sex crimes, and other "moral crimes." We are a nation in which 4 out of 10 people believe the earth is 6000 to 10,000 years old, and evangelicals occupy positions of governmental power in most states, and churches receive not only tax exemption but government subsidies. Why hasn't all our church-going behavior produced a top-notch first world nation?
There are studies here and there which point to health and social benefits from going to church. What they fail to account for is the social stigma of not going to church. In countries where atheism is the norm, atheists are the most healthy and socially accepted. Why wouldn't we expect Christians in America to be healthier and happier, when atheists are generally perceived as the worst kind of people, and are often ostracized by friends, family, and work mates?
Christians who cite these studies conveniently leave out the fact that the benefits are not from going to church, specifically. Instead, they are most likely to come from the simple act of forming social clubs. Humans are social animals, and we are healthier and happier when we belong to social groups. Across the world, it is the same. People who are accepted socially are healthy and happy. It doesn't matter what kind of social club it is. It could be church, and it could be the weekly beer club "down at pub."
Most importantly, even if it were demonstrated that there was an objective benefit to going to church (and this is a very big "if"), the government is still prohibited by the constitution from mandating attendance. Daily exercise is beneficial beyond any shadow of a doubt, and we would likely consider armed rebellion if we were roused each morning for state mandated calisthenics. This is not about church, or calisthenics. It's about sour grapes from the Christian Theocrats whose idea of a godly utopia is ignoring at all costs Jesus' mandate to sell all they own and give to the poor.
Political grandstanding is one thing. It's always been done, and to some degree, we just have to live with it. Even so, religion has no place in this discussion. The government has the right to tax. The government has the right to address matters of public health and welfare. The government doesnot, in any sense of the word, have any right to dictate that anyone attend a church service for any reason at all. The fact that it's been suggested, even in half-jest, should be a shocking wake-up call for anyone who still believes religion isn't intruding into government.[/quote]
Instead, how about we tax the churches?
I'm gonna tax you for not masturbating to hardcore cartoon horse pornography.
Dibs on taxes from people who don't fap to dragon porn!
Bahahahahahaha that's hilarious.
Because we all know dragon porn is good for your health!
"Coming to church is good for your health"
What about that one guy who ripped his eyes out in a church because he heard a voice telling him to?
Pretentious fucks. Going to church would be good for you if they replaced the pews with thread mills maybe...
I seriously was expecting this to be the Onion.
Just thought it will fit here.
Also suck my big atheistic dick, Christians.
[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;36841070]"Coming to church is good for your health"
What about that one guy who ripped his eyes out in a church because he heard a voice telling him to?[/QUOTE]
I think that has less to do with church and more to do with him being crazy. I mean, you'd have to be crazy to believe there's an invisible man who tells you what to do with your life!
Taxing people who don't do what YOU want them to do and because they don't believe in the same stuff YOU do?
No. Fuck off.
You guys are too harsh on this, it's one guy speaking for this and you interpret that as all of christianity.
It's like saying "Rush Limbaugh speaks for all of the American people."
Where are all the crazies coming from lately? There certainly seem to be alot of them.
Instead, how about we tax the churches?[/QUOTE]
No because then they would have a say in the government's doing.
So what about the people who are Christians but don't go to church?
I thought Jesus was the leader of the Christians.
[QUOTE=Scot;36841386]I thought Jesus was the leader of the Christians.[/QUOTE]
I think they're talking about a leader that actually exists.
Hahaha you stupid fucks
By the same logic, how about we tax christians for not masturbating, because jerking off is good for your health. Fucking Blueballs
How about we tax the churches instead? You know, all that property they take up that they get tax-free?
Our town has a church on damn-near every corner. The one down the road takes up a MASSIVE plot of land, most of which is parking lot. The tax revenue from that place would put some serious money in to the town.
furthering my beliefs that religion was created as a way to make a money.
so what they're saying is go to church, we take your money through collection, don't go to church and the government takes your money, sounds like a win win for crazy christians and their crazy christian politicians.
"going to church is good for your health"
funny, cause I thought they lock up people who spends their days in a room talking to an imaginary person.
They should throw this guy in with all the rest of the lunatics in a mental asylum, everyone in their talks to imaginary people, so why should he get away with it.
Instead, how about we tax the churches?[/QUOTE]
They get out of something between [I]70-100 billion dollars a year.[/I]
[QUOTE] “We know that going to church is good for you, it’s good for your health."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Squarebob;36841324]No because then they would have a say in the government's doing.[/QUOTE]
They already have a say.
Unofficially,but they have.
[quote]“Because after all, Obamacare is all about improving the health of the American people,” the radio host explained. “We know that going to church is good for you, it’s good for your health. So we are going to mandate that you go to church for your own health and we are going to tax the atheists who don’t go to church.”[/quote]
It's just their way of fighting against Obama's evil communist dictatorship.
Good thing I'm not American, or living would be relatively expensive for me if this ever became reality
This is counterproductive. He says going to church is good for your health, but being in church always stressed me out. So he's saying I should do something detrimental to my health or pay taxes? That's silly.
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