• Alton Towers crash victim has leg amputated
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33040618[/url] [quote]A 17-year-old girl injured in a rollercoaster crash at Alton Towers has had her leg amputated, it has emerged. Leah Washington was on the front row of the Smiler ride, which crashed into an empty carriage in front of it. Three others who were also in the front row sustained serious leg injuries, while a fifth person is being treated for internal injuries. The theme park reopened earlier and bosses said they would ensure the injured would be compensated. The ride remains closed.[/quote]
[QUOTE=smurfy;47906946][URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33040618[/URL][/QUOTE] Why would god let this happen? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("flamebaiting" - Orkel))[/highlight]
I don't understand why you can have more than one carriage on the track at one time. if you need to test you can just use the normal one, just without any people on it.
[QUOTE=alien_guy;47907038]I don't understand why you can have more than one carriage on the track at one time. if you need to test you can just use the normal one, just without any people on it.[/QUOTE] Because more people can go through it quicker.
The way the company is handling this is absolutely disgusting, and I can't believe that they have the audacity to open the park after just 6 days. Looking on their homepage, there is no visible public apology, or even an acknowledgement of the events that transpired. The park should be shut down for a far longer period in order to perform a full review of their staff training, their emergency procedures, and the safety of their rides. Furthermore, they should be massively compensating those who were involved, but I have a feeling that they will need to go to court in order to claim the compensation that they deserve.
[QUOTE=Noss;47907116]The way the company is handling this is absolutely disgusting, and I can't believe that they have the audacity to open the park after just 6 days. Looking on their homepage, there is no visible public apology, or even an acknowledgement of the events that transpired. The park should be shut down for a far longer period in order to perform a full review of their staff training, their emergency procedures, and the safety of their rides. Furthermore, they should be massively compensating those who were involved, but I have a feeling that they will need to go to court in order to claim the compensation that they deserve.[/QUOTE] Who are you to say they haven't?
I heard this earlier and it's really upsetting. You just don't expect to go to a theme park and end up losing a leg. What an awful disaster, I feel so sorry for her
[QUOTE=Noss;47907116]The way the company is handling this is absolutely disgusting, and I can't believe that they have the audacity to open the park after just 6 days. Looking on their homepage, there is no visible public apology, or even an acknowledgement of the events that transpired. The park should be shut down for a far longer period in order to perform a full review of their staff training, their emergency procedures, and the safety of their rides. Furthermore, they should be massively compensating those who were involved, but I have a feeling that they will need to go to court in order to claim the compensation that they deserve.[/QUOTE] the whole park doesn't need to be shut down for longer, by the sounds of it, it wasn't a problem that could affect the other rides such as a big powerloss (although the section that The Smiler is in is completely closed, that means Oblivion and Submission are also closed down). Engineers have probably been checking other systems in this 6 days. We'll never know what the compensation is like unless one of the victims themselves say. [editline]8th June 2015[/editline] And if I remember, the waterpark/hotel they have was never closed.
[QUOTE=Noss;47907116]The way the company is handling this is absolutely disgusting, and I can't believe that they have the audacity to open the park after just 6 days. Looking on their homepage, there is no visible public apology, or even an acknowledgement of the events that transpired. The park should be shut down for a far longer period in order to perform a full review of their staff training, their emergency procedures, and the safety of their rides. Furthermore, they should be massively compensating those who were involved, but I have a feeling that they will need to go to court in order to claim the compensation that they deserve.[/QUOTE] Seems fine to me based on the article. Also, why the hell should they stay closed exactly? In what way does closing the park and pissing off tens of thousands of people over the next few months help with a primarily paper based investigation? There's plenty of time when the rides are normally closed before the park opens for the day to get the physical inspections in, after all.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;47907191]the whole park doesn't need to be shut down for longer, by the sounds of it, it wasn't a problem that could affect the other rides such as a big powerloss (although the section that The Smiler is in is completely closed, that means Oblivion and Submission are also closed down). Engineers have probably been checking other systems in this 6 days. We'll never know what the compensation is like unless one of the victims themselves say. [editline]8th June 2015[/editline] And if I remember, the waterpark/hotel they have was never closed.[/QUOTE] The problem is that the incident on this particular ride should never have happened, and indicates a failure somewhere in the system. Six days simply isn't enough to review and amend safety and response procedures park-wide, re-train staff, and test all rides for potential malfunctions.
[QUOTE=Noss;47907305]The problem is that the incident on this particular ride should never have happened, and indicates a failure somewhere in the system. Six days simply isn't enough to review and amend safety and response procedures park-wide, re-train staff, and test all rides for potential malfunctions.[/QUOTE] the investigation is still going on, that ride and the area it's in are closed for the investigation, why does the rest of the park which is well away from that area also need to be closed when those areas aren't concerned in the investigation?
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;47907474]the investigation is still going on, that ride and the area it's in are closed for the investigation, why does the rest of the park which is well away from that area also need to be closed when those areas aren't concerned in the investigation?[/QUOTE] The issue isn't solely 'The Smiler' ride. All of the rides in Alton Towers were deemed safe enough to be open to the public. In this case, so was 'The Smiler', yet it has caused a numerous amount of serious injuries and has now lead to an amputation. There absolutely needs to be a rigorous inspection of all rides within the park and a review of company-wide policies before it is re-opened to the public. Six days is not long enough to do this effectively.
[QUOTE=Noss;47907116]The way the company is handling this is absolutely disgusting, and I can't believe that they have the audacity to open the park after just 6 days. Looking on their homepage, there is no visible public apology, or even an acknowledgement of the events that transpired. The park should be shut down for a far longer period in order to perform a full review of their staff training, their emergency procedures, and the safety of their rides. Furthermore, they should be massively compensating those who were involved, but I have a feeling that they will need to go to court in order to claim the compensation that they deserve.[/QUOTE] Do Airline companies stop operating when they lose an aircraft full of hundreds of people? That's a serious question by the way, It seems as if they continue operating while they investigate.
[QUOTE=Noss;47907514]The issue isn't solely 'The Smiler' ride. All of the rides in Alton Towers were deemed safe enough to be open to the public. In this case, so was 'The Smiler', yet it has caused a numerous amount of serious injuries and has now lead to an amputation. There absolutely needs to be a rigorous inspection of all rides within the park and a review of company-wide policies before it is re-opened to the public. Six days is not long enough to do this effectively.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's why all the rides which are NOT deemed safe are closed. That is all the ones near the Smiler.
[QUOTE=Canary;47907528]Do Airline companies stop operating when they lose an aircraft full of hundreds of people? That's a serious question by the way, It seems as if they continue operating while they investigate.[/QUOTE] Airlines and amusement parks aren't at all comparable. If they deemed The Smiler safe, and it caused this, then they should be made to shut down and do a full in-depth inspection of every ride they have at the park, and only when all the rides are either given the OK or fixed up to be safe should they be allowed to open again.
[QUOTE=The golden;47907368]This ride in particular has quite the black history already and it's not even that old. If a full investigation finds any more problems I think it's just a safe bet to shut it down and dismantle the ride.[/QUOTE] yeah just like when a train derails they should tear up the tracks and shut down the line forever
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;47907556]Yeah, that's why all the rides which are NOT deemed safe are closed. That is all the ones near the Smiler.[/QUOTE] What he's suggesting is this might be highlighting issues with how Alton Towers regulate and record maintenance and safety checks on their rides (i.e. people half-arsing jobs or not doing checks and then signing them off as completed). If the design of the Smiler is one that is particularly prone to mechanical error then it's liable to be the one to cause an accident first.
Well, could have lost an arm, or both legs right?
[QUOTE=Scot;47907628]yeah just like when a train derails they should tear up the tracks and shut down the line forever[/QUOTE] Don't remember executing the engineers by a firing squad.
[QUOTE=The golden;47907744]If the cause of the derailment was due to bad track design then yes, they will rip it up. Duh?[/QUOTE] No shit but that wasn't the problem.
Accidents happen, nothing has 100% certain safety margins, because that's literally against laws of physics and logic. There's always something that can, and will, from time to time, fuck up. World's only 100% safe entertainment park would be also the world's most boring one. It's is literally impossible to fling someone around on elevated tracks with zero chance of an accident happening. You can make the risks very small, but it's simply not possible to guarantee safety, nothing like that exists. As far as I know, it's not like people die in that park daily by the dozen, and the crash probably fits quite easily into normal distribution of accidents in parks like that. It's a horrible shame that it happened, and they better definitely compensate the people who got hurt [I]really[/I] well, but "THE PLACE NEEDS TO BE LOCKED DOWN AND THOROUGHLY EXAMINED" is nothing but overly emotional kneejerk reaction ignoring logic, science and the ideas behind a structure like this.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47907785]Accidents happen, nothing has 100% certain safety margins, because that's literally against laws of physics and logic. There's always something that can, and will, from time to time, fuck up. World's only 100% safe entertainment park would be also the world's most boring one. It's is literally impossible to fling someone around on elevated tracks with zero chance of an accident happening. You can make the risks very small, but it's simply not possible to guarantee safety, nothing like that exists. As far as I know, it's not like people die in that park daily by the dozen, and the crash probably fits quite easily into normal distribution of accidents in parks like that. It's a horrible shame that it happened, and they better definitely compensate the people who got hurt [I]really[/I] well, but "THE PLACE NEEDS TO BE LOCKED DOWN AND THOROUGHLY EXAMINED" is nothing but overly emotional kneejerk reaction ignoring logic, science and the ideas behind a structure like this.[/QUOTE] Very much this. The park has been open for 35 years and this is the only time people have been seriously injured.
[QUOTE=Noss;47907116]The way the company is handling this is absolutely disgusting, and I can't believe that they have the audacity to open the park after just 6 days. Looking on their homepage, there is no visible public apology, or even an acknowledgement of the events that transpired. The park should be shut down for a far longer period in order to perform a full review of their staff training, their emergency procedures, and the safety of their rides. Furthermore, they should be massively compensating those who were involved, but I have a feeling that they will need to go to court in order to claim the compensation that they deserve.[/QUOTE] I would actually say the complete opposite, they've handled it fantastically. HSE gave them the all clear on friday and they've remained until today to open it. One thing that Nick Varney has made [b] very clear [/b], is that the safety of the rides was already of a high standard. Anyone who has worked in the amusement industry can vouch for this, Merlin have had a fantastic track record, with only I think [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/5198728.stm] 1 minor freak incident under their belt [/url]. The incident that happened on the smiler was isolated and due to a very unique set of circumstances, it should not have happened, but it's not something that you face every day. Merlin have decided to add a few extra procedures, most likely extra HSE training and doing double / triple checks on certain things , that's a nice thought. Nick varney has apologised on TV, in various interviews and can be quoted on the BBC. The park is losing a shit load for every day they're closed, so it makes sense to reopen it quite soon, especially if nothing else is wrong with the park. The Smiler, Oblivion, and the rest of the X-Sector are shut off. Alton are probably in talks with all of the victims, and again, during this whole break they have probably done extra training. The incident again is not due to a lack of staff training, or due to prolonged negligence or poor practice - it was a single incident that occured to a very unique set of circumstances. Alton is by far not remotely a poorly run amusement park.
[QUOTE=Instant Mix;47907825] it was a single incident that occured to a very unique set of circumstances[/QUOTE] Out of curiosity - you seem quite well vested - do you have a brief explanation or a link that would explain what exactly happened in detail?
[QUOTE=Noss;47907514]The issue isn't solely 'The Smiler' ride. All of the rides in Alton Towers were deemed safe enough to be open to the public. In this case, so was 'The Smiler', yet it has caused a numerous amount of serious injuries and has now lead to an amputation. There absolutely needs to be a rigorous inspection of all rides within the park and a review of company-wide policies before it is re-opened to the public. Six days is not long enough to do this effectively.[/QUOTE] The issue IS solely to do with the smiler. Yes, the smiler was deemed safe to open and again that's because it WAS. Gross operator error is most likely the cause of the incident, not anything to do with the PLC or sensors or train maintenance at all. The issue was a collision on an overpopulated block. I really do not want to be the devil's advocate, but parks around the world have had people die, crushed, legs completely maimed and ejections from the car itself - this issue is honestly one of the better that the ride could have had, I obviously give my condolences to those injured though, it should never have happened in the first place. When people say that the smiler has had huge faults in the past, it honestly hasn't. The media have blown it completely out of proportion. Two incidents have happened on the smiler : One was a nut from the extended support - not track - coming loose and falling ( and this was then rectified immediately, but that section of the track was in the middle of having extensive work done on it ); the second was that a guide wheel for the secondary lift hill chain coming loose and falling as well. I don't know what could have necessarily caused the second incident, but that's still nothing of particular value as the lift hill chains have a shitload of wheels on and losing one would cause no difference. Neither of these should have happened, but they aren't anywhere near as bad as the media are saying they are - I've seen them quote that track came loose and I genuinely messaged the BBC telling them that it's BS. The third incident, that the beeb also love to mention, is that [i]"Press day riders were stuck dangling at a 45* angle for an hour before being evacuated"[/i]. What this actually means is that the car stopped at the top of the first lift hill. As in, they were sitting down. [img]http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1895823.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/The-Smiler-rollercoaster-VIP-launch-Alton-Towers-Staffordshire.jpg[/img]. The smiler is definitely not going to be demolished or dismantled either, you must be obnoxiously naive to think a company is going to just get rid of an £18 million pound investment - [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2502052/Texas-mom-Rosa-Esparza-flung-death-Six-Flags-rollercoaster.html]just like the Texas Giant didn't get dismantled after literally throwing a guest off the ride[/url].
[QUOTE=gt118;47906979]Why would god let this happen?[/QUOTE] Because God saw into the future and knew she'd kill a human by driving. This would decrease her amount of driving so that the innocent person could survive. Checkmate Atheists.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47907861]Out of curiosity - you seem quite well vested - do you have a brief explanation or a link that would explain what exactly happened in detail?[/QUOTE] I cannot say anything for definite, but all signs point to literally a single stupid operator mistake. Witnessess say that the train that was about to collide had stopped at the top of the first lift hill for about 15 minutes. This means that the PLC had noticed that the other train had valleyed at the batwing, one of the blocks wasn't populated and decided to stop the ride - this rules out it being a computer error. Witnessess also said that the ride had been having minor glitches throughout the day ( which is not unusual for any ride). There's two sort of situations that could have happened from here, A: A mechanic came, thought it was just a techincal glitch, reset the ride (which is a very big no-no if people are still on the ride) without looking at the CCTV. Or B: A mechanic had left his keys in the operation panel ( this is literally breaking laws ) and a junior ride OP reset the ride without looking at the CCTV. Either way, the PLC reset, cleared the blocks - and in doing so released the train - causing the collision. Human error either way - but again, this is a very specific incident as the whole situation would have been OK if the first train didn't valley . [editline]cunt[/editline] Also, a quote from alton themselves: [quote]“Since the accident of last Tuesday we have done our best to provide appropriate communication and support to those involved and to their families. We absolutely recognise what a difficult time this is for everyone, especially those who have been so seriously injured, and we have tried to do this in a way that is both sensitive and appropriate. Over the course of the weekend we have written again to all of the 16 people involved or to their families. These letters were all hand delivered by Alton Towers representatives. Irrespective of the outcome of the current investigations into the causes of the accident, in these letters we have accepted full responsibility to those who had been injured in the accident and confirmed that we will ensure that compensation will be provided to them. We have recommended each of the injured guests or their families instruct a lawyer and submit a claim for compensation which we will ensure is dealt with swiftly and sensitively. In addition we have engaged the services of Health and Case Management Ltd (HCML) – a leading firm of specialist independent rehabilitation providers – to provide all of those involved with the best support for their individual needs whether from the NHS or by providing additional support and services. HCML have already made contact with some of those affected in order to progress this. Nick Varney, CEO Merlin Entertainments said: “We are deeply saddened by the news about Leah and all our thoughts are with her and her family. We cannot undo the events of last week but everyone in the company and at Alton Towers is determined to do all we can to provide appropriate support to those who were injured and their families.[/quote] It's a complete and utter lie to say that Alton don't care about what happened. Literally by looking at Nick Varney's face in any interview, you can tell he personally feels horrible about what happened.
They need to engineer crumple zones into the trains, I think. I understand through the safety systems a crash is not supposed to happen at all, but it might've saved this person's leg. Look at the front of the train, there's nothing there at all to soften the impact
[QUOTE=gt118;47906979]Why would god let this happen?[/QUOTE] Because he hates us for killing his planet ( sarcasm ) , on a serious note its good to see Alton towers picking up response faster since the initial accident occurred, swift compensation payouts.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;47908399]They need to engineer crumple zones into the trains, I think. I understand through the safety systems a crash is not supposed to happen at all, but it might've saved this person's leg. Look at the front of the train, there's nothing there at all to soften the impact[/QUOTE] I would imagine it comes down to the fact that as they (as you say) aren't really needed (roller coasters operate on an absolute block signalling, with the exception of all the safety systems failing (or being overridden) they cannot have accidents) no one has invested the time and money into doing it. I can't imagine it would be an easy thing to retrofit to existing ride either.
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