• More misogyny in the Michigan House of Representatives – Rep Frank Foster calls nurses union staffer
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[QUOTE=RobbL;36387314]I'm basically saying i've never known 'cunt' to be a derogatory term for a women[/QUOTE] how much is the rent for fuckin huge rocks these days?
[QUOTE=Turnips5;36387559]how much is the rent for fuckin huge rocks these days?[/QUOTE] In the UK, it's just the female equivalent of dick although slightly more vulgar, ok. Dick isn't a derogatory term for a man
how the fuck do you people argue about this shit?
[QUOTE=RobbL;36386890]'Nigger' is a derogatory term for black people, while cunt is just slang for a women's genitalia (at least here in the UK)... [/QUOTE] for the second time, this is important: [QUOTE=RobbL;36386890] (at least here in the UK)... [/QUOTE] The word is totally different here in America.
Asshole? yes Sexist? no [editline]18th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36388523]for the second time, this is important: The word is totally different here in America.[/QUOTE] No it isn't.
Isn't this the same motherfucker who gave a gag order because a lady said "vagina?" [editline]18th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;36388607]No it isn't.[/QUOTE] Uhh, yeah it is. We don't say words like "faff" and "ponce" and "bellend" over here to compensate.
I just reckon something isn't misogynistic if it's not one of these things: -Using a derogatory term for a woman to insult someone (I personally don't think 'cunt' is specifically a derogatory term for women, unlike 'slut' or 'whore') -Mistreating or insulting a woman just because of the fact she's a woman -Believing women are inferior -Treating women differently to men -Thinking there's nothing wrong with any of the above
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;36386279]Depends on the context of it. (which coincidentally is STILL my point). If he's saying it like an insult to women, then yes, it would be an insult with the context of being hostile towards women. If he said it and he has no inclination ever of being one, I'd take it as just another insult. [editline]18th June 2012[/editline] So is the guy I responded to. [editline]18th June 2012[/editline] Are you implying I'm a misogynist because I'm defending a word in a state without context? Oh please do, I'd love it if you did. Because you and I both know there are hundreds of ways to prove you are horribly fucking wrong.[/QUOTE] Besides being a grand-master shit wizard, you're sounding like a misogynist.
[QUOTE=RobbL;36388815]I just reckon something isn't misogynistic if it's not one of these things: -Using a derogatory term for a woman to insult someone (I personally don't think 'cunt' is specifically a derogatory term for women, unlike 'slut' or 'whore') -Mistreating or insulting a woman just because of the fact she's a woman -Believing women are inferior -Treating women differently to men -Thinking there's nothing wrong with any of the above[/QUOTE] the first and foremost definition of "cunt" is "vagina" how the fuck is that not specifically a female-centric derogatory term
[QUOTE=Last or First;36388860]the first and foremost definition of "cunt" is "vagina" how the fuck is that not specifically a female-centric derogatory term[/QUOTE] Just because it's slang for a women's genitalia doesn't mean it's a derogatory word for a woman... If that's reason why cunt is a derogatory term for women, then dick must be a derogatory term for men. You can't argue with that
If 'cunt' is derogatory towards women, then why are 'dick', 'dickhead' and 'cock' not derogatory towards men?
Bit of an off-topic rant here... Sanius, you rate everyone dumb but never make any proper counter arguments. And it's like you throw all logic out the window just to hang on to your unrealistic ideals. You're one of the most insecure people i've ever come across tbh.
[QUOTE=RobbL;36388959]Just because it's slang for a women's genitalia doesn't mean it's a derogatory word for a woman... If that's reason why cunt is a derogatory term for women, then dick must be a derogatory term for men. You can't argue with that[/QUOTE] silence female representatives from speaking on a bill that focuses on women's rights, and call a woman a cunt because she's mowing her lawn, people call you sexist you can't explain that [QUOTE=Maloof?;36388963]If 'cunt' is derogatory towards women, then why are 'dick', 'dickhead' and 'cock' not derogatory towards men?[/QUOTE] Yes, "dick" and such are male-centric. But there really aren't any politicians voting on bills to limit male rights and silencing men from speaking on it just because they said "penis". And there's not a history of (nor many lingering elements of) systematic oppression of men based on their gender.
[QUOTE=RobbL;36388959]Just because it's slang for a women's genitalia doesn't mean it's a derogatory word for a woman... If that's reason why cunt is a derogatory term for women, then dick must be a derogatory term for men. You can't argue with that[/QUOTE] Dick [i]is[/i] a derogatory term for men, but nobody has any reason to care about that because men aren't constantly the victims of misandry. It's a gendered derogatory term, and therefore it is sexist.
Btw, a problem i'm seeing here is people are getting the vulgarity of a word mixed up with how derogatory it is
[QUOTE=RobbL;36389165]Btw, a problem i'm seeing here is people are getting the vulgarity of a word mixed up with how derogatory it is[/QUOTE] The problem isn't that "cunt" is a [I]vulgar[/I] term for a female body part, it's that it's a vulgar term for a [I]female[/I] body part.
[QUOTE=RobbL;36388815]I just reckon something isn't misogynistic if it's not one of these things: -Using a derogatory term for a woman to insult someone (I personally don't think 'cunt' is specifically a derogatory term for women, unlike 'slut' or 'whore') -Mistreating or insulting a woman just because of the fact she's a woman -Believing women are inferior -Treating women differently to men -Thinking there's nothing wrong with any of the above[/QUOTE] Nobody cares how you personally define "cunt." The rest of the world does not recognize your definition.
[QUOTE=Last or First;36389126]silence female representatives from speaking on a bill that focuses on women's rights, and call a woman a cunt because she's mowing her lawn, people call you sexist you can't explain that[/QUOTE] I'm on about misogyny in general, not the incident the article is about
[QUOTE=RobbL;36389165]Btw, a problem i'm seeing here is people are getting the vulgarity of a word mixed up with how derogatory it is[/QUOTE] "Cunt" in the United States is widely considered to be the single worst thing you can call a women. Most women won't even [I]say[/I] the word, instead calling it "the C-Word." It's worse than bitch. It's worse than whore. It's generally cited as the most vulgar and derisive word in the English language.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36389187]Nobody cares how you personally define "cunt." The rest of the world does not recognize your definition.[/QUOTE] Fine, but cunt isn't a derogatory term for a woman because it's slang for a woman's private bits as someone said Tits is slang for breasts, but 'tit' isn't a derogatory term for a woman, so that sort of disproves that And just saying 'cunt' in itself isn't misogynistic
[QUOTE=RobbL;36389287]Fine, but cunt isn't a derogatory term for a woman because it's slang for a woman's private bits as someone said[/QUOTE] You just accepted that nobody cares how you define the word and yet you continue to re-define the word. Stop it. [editline]18th June 2012[/editline] You can't just say "this word really isn't all that offensive" when it's convenient to you. The rest of the world gives cero fucks.
I know women who are quite happy to say it. These aren't those sort of hard, butch, masculine women either - these are regular women who just don't see the issue with it. If the aim is to eliminate discrimination, then perhaps part of the solution is using words like 'cunt' to the extent that they lose their intrinsic offensive value? Recall how it used to be a widely accepted term for vagina several hundred years ago. In a similar fashion, 'to take a piss' was a widely used phrase by men and women of all ages and social statuses. I [I]think[/I] it was only the intentional gentrification of language that caused this shift, as the upper classes tried to distinguish themselves by removing commonly used words like 'piss' and 'ain't' from their vocabularies. Maybe we need to free these words up again? I'm not sure about all of this. I like swearing. I like the power it has, the force the words carry.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;36389345]I know women who are quite happy to say it. These aren't those sort of hard, butch, masculine women either - these are regular women who just don't see the issue with it. If the aim is to eliminate discrimination, then perhaps part of the solution is using words like 'cunt' to the extent that they lose their intrinsic offensive value? Recall how it used to be a widely accepted term for vagina several hundred years ago. In a similar fashion, 'to take a piss' was a widely used phrase by men and women of all ages and social statuses. I [I]think[/I] it was only the intentional gentrification of language that caused this shift, as the upper classes tried to distinguish themselves by removing commonly used words like 'piss' and 'ain't' from their vocabularies. Maybe we need to free these words up again? I'm not sure about all of this. I like swearing. I like the power it has, the force the words carry.[/QUOTE] Hey look it's the "prejudice will go away if we pretend it doesn't exist" argument.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36389211]"Cunt" in the United States is widely considered to be the single worst thing you can call a women. Most women won't even [I]say[/I] the word, instead calling it "the C-Word." It's worse than bitch. It's worse than whore. It's generally cited as the most vulgar and derisive word in the English language.[/QUOTE] It's still a very vulgar word in the UK and is a big insult to whoever you call it, but it's just seen as a general profanity
[QUOTE=Lankist;36389378]Hey look it's the "prejudice will go away if we pretend it doesn't exist" argument.[/QUOTE] I think you missed the point of what was primarily a linguistic argument
[QUOTE=RobbL;36389410]It's still a very vulgar word in the UK and is a big insult to whoever you call it, but it's just seen as a general profanity[/QUOTE] This isn't in the UK. This is in the US. FYI profanity has different contexts in different regions. If I call you [I]gilipolla[/I] in Mexico, you aren't going to know what the fuck I'm talking about. If I call you that in Spain, you'll probably be offended. [editline]18th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Maloof?;36389439]I think you missed the point of what was primarily a linguistic argument[/QUOTE] We do not change language to suit the assholes. I don't think you've really considered what kind of effect that would have. It would give license for people to use slurs seriously and then claim "nah I was only kidding, niggers!" when somebody rightfully takes offense.
[QUOTE=RobbL;36387145]We're taking about words being derogatory terms for specific groups of people here, not how profane or vulgar these words are. That's got nothing to do with racism or sexism. Calling a black man a dick because you don't like the particular guy isn't racist and isn't as bad as calling them a nigger, which [I]is[/I] racist because it's a derogatory term for black people while dick isn't Calling a black man a dick [I]because[/I] they are black is just as bad as calling them a nigger, and both instances are racist. You're making an argument as if context isn't a factor[/QUOTE] how the fuck do you even contextually call a black man a dick because he's black you can try "you black dick" but the problem there is the word black not the word dick context has meaning but context doesn't mean i can call my grandma a bitch and turn it around and say "it's an endearing term!!" and besides that doesn't change the fact that words are naturally loaded to have offensive meanings. this argument is ridiculous
[QUOTE=Lankist;36389319]You just accepted that nobody cares how you define the word and yet you continue to re-define the word. Stop it. [editline]18th June 2012[/editline] You can't just say "this word really isn't all that offensive" when it's convenient to you. The rest of the world gives cero fucks.[/QUOTE] What? How am I re-defining it? And I didn't say it wasn't offensive, I was saying that in my experience it's not a derogatory term specifically for women
[QUOTE=RobbL;36389478]What? How am I re-defining it? And I didn't say it wasn't offensive, I was saying that in my experience it's not a derogatory term specifically for women[/QUOTE] You're wrong.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;36389466]how the fuck do you even contextually call a black man a dick because he's black [/QUOTE] Because you don't like black people and so you insult them...? The word you use doesn't matter [QUOTE=Protocol7;36389466] context has meaning but context doesn't mean i can call my grandma a bitch and turn it around and say "it's an endearing term!!"[/QUOTE] Calling your grandma a bitch [I]is[/I] misogynistic because bitch is a derogtory term for a woman and your grandma's a women. Deuh. [editline]19th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;36389487]You're wrong.[/QUOTE] Well, sorry. I've never lived in a country where that's the case
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