• Gabe confirms Steam for Linux will be released this year
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So long windows! Hello linux!
Why are you guys getting excited, how many steam games do you currently own? Subtract all of the valve games in your list and then look at how many games run for windows and then look at the Windows+Mac (steamplay) games, now think to yourself how many of your favourites are in that pile. Let's look at a chart of widely used OS when it comes to wikipedia which has the alexa rank of 6 [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Wikimedia_OS_share_pie_chart.png[/IMG] As you can see, Windows holds the greatest share of used OS, which is fair to say that in this world Windows is the most popular OS to consumers. Developers target windows because it has the biggest share and everyone uses it meaning they can get a good amount of revenue from it. Mac is growing, fair to say that Mac is the 2nd most used OS in the world, developers are starting to port to mac so they can appeal to them, steam was put onto mac and now there is a wide range of games that utilize steamplay even though some games like Call of Duty, ARMA 2, super MNC etc are still yet to be ported to mac. Now Linux, even the iPhone, iPad and android, 3 mobile OS's beat the desktop/laptop OS by miles. It's 1% of the used OS, so probably the 3rd most used OS in the world for desktop/laptop computing. You see why not many people go to linux now? Nobody fucking uses it apart from some people, developers aren't going to target it, it's so low. Where's the revenue coming from with Linux? Probably no where, you guys are going to get a bunch of valve games and probably killing floor and that's it. It's nice to see steam come to linux but seriously you guys, you act like your Operating system is god tier, it's shit tier. Windows and Mac literally overshadow it, Linux has no proper advertising, Linux is just something you put on your computer to try out or to use if your laptop is classified as a legacy PC and you know future versions of windows won't even start on it. Sure, it's open source and fully customizable but seriously how many apps or programs that work for it isn't enough to make me dump windows 7. I'm sorry the Linux users of facepunch, your OS won't ever be superior over windows or mac.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;36266462]Why are you guys getting excited, how many steam games do you currently own? Subtract all of the valve games in your list and then look at how many games run for windows and then look at the Windows+Mac (steamplay) games, now think to yourself how many of your favourites are in that pile. Let's look at a chart of widely used OS when it comes to wikipedia which has the alexa rank of 6 [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Wikimedia_OS_share_pie_chart.png[/IMG] As you can see, Windows holds the greatest share of used OS, which is fair to say that in this world Windows is the most popular OS to consumers. Developers target windows because it has the biggest share and everyone uses it meaning they can get a good amount of revenue from it. Mac is growing, fair to say that Mac is the 2nd most used OS in the world, developers are starting to port to mac so they can appeal to them, steam was put onto mac and now there is a wide range of games that utilize steamplay even though some games like Call of Duty, ARMA 2, super MNC etc are still yet to be ported to mac. Now Linux, even the iPhone, iPad and android, 3 mobile OS's beat the desktop/laptop OS by miles. It's 1% of the used OS, so probably the 3rd most used OS in the world for desktop/laptop computing. You see why not many people go to linux now? Nobody fucking uses it apart from some people, developers aren't going to target it, it's so low. Where's the revenue coming from with Linux? Probably no where, you guys are going to get a bunch of valve games and probably killing floor and that's it. It's nice to see steam come to linux but seriously you guys, you act like your Operating system is god tier, it's shit tier. Windows and Mac literally overshadow it, Linux has no proper advertising, Linux is just something you put on your computer to try out or to use if your laptop is classified as a legacy PC and you know future versions of windows won't even start on it. Sure, it's open source and fully customizable but seriously how many apps or programs that work for it isn't enough to make me dump windows 7. I'm sorry the Linux users of facepunch, your OS won't ever be superior over windows or mac.[/QUOTE] There are actually a lot of indie games for Linux. The Humble Indie Bundles have created a lot of new Linux games. But yeah, I agree that AAA games like Assassin's Creed or Crysis won't be ported.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;36266575]There are actually a lot of indie games for Linux. The Humble Indie Bundles have created a lot of new Linux games. But yeah, I agree that AAA games like Assassin's Creed or Crysis won't be ported.[/QUOTE] Indie games to me is just to pass the time when I have nothing better to do, AAA titles are games I play to get some sort of story or thrill.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;36266462]Why are you guys getting excited, how many steam games do you currently own? Subtract all of the valve games in your list and then look at how many games run for windows and then look at the Windows+Mac (steamplay) games, now think to yourself how many of your favourites are in that pile. Let's look at a chart of widely used OS when it comes to wikipedia which has the alexa rank of 6 [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Wikimedia_OS_share_pie_chart.png[/IMG] As you can see, Windows holds the greatest share of used OS, which is fair to say that in this world Windows is the most popular OS to consumers. Developers target windows because it has the biggest share and everyone uses it meaning they can get a good amount of revenue from it. Mac is growing, fair to say that Mac is the 2nd most used OS in the world, developers are starting to port to mac so they can appeal to them, steam was put onto mac and now there is a wide range of games that utilize steamplay even though some games like Call of Duty, ARMA 2, super MNC etc are still yet to be ported to mac. Now Linux, even the iPhone, iPad and android, 3 mobile OS's beat the desktop/laptop OS by miles. It's 1% of the used OS, so probably the 3rd most used OS in the world for desktop/laptop computing. You see why not many people go to linux now? Nobody fucking uses it apart from some people, developers aren't going to target it, it's so low. Where's the revenue coming from with Linux? Probably no where, you guys are going to get a bunch of valve games and probably killing floor and that's it. It's nice to see steam come to linux but seriously you guys, you act like your Operating system is god tier, it's shit tier. Windows and Mac literally overshadow it, Linux has no proper advertising, Linux is just something you put on your computer to try out or to use if your laptop is classified as a legacy PC and you know future versions of windows won't even start on it. Sure, it's open source and fully customizable but seriously how many apps or programs that work for it isn't enough to make me dump windows 7. I'm sorry the Linux users of facepunch, your OS won't ever be superior over windows or mac.[/QUOTE] I sense massive butthurt coming from your general direction. The range of applications and ease of development is one win for Linux. The other is the fact that it's free in every sense of the word.
[QUOTE=snuwoods;36266838]I sense massive butthurt coming from your general direction. The range of applications and ease of development is one win for Linux. The other is the fact that it's free in every sense of the word.[/QUOTE] I'm not butthurt? I'm quite happy on windows, I've tried ubuntu and even though it was quite cool it didn't have my applications. WINE is an alternative but people say it's a piece of shit so I didn't even bother and besides native programs are always the best programs. Yeah, it's free, that's a bonus but what about the native programs? I do a lot of work with fireworks, sony vegas, fraps and I play triple A titles and record them so I can put that on YouTube, a lot of those things won't merely work with Linux. There's only 2 good uses for Linux and that is server hosting and customization.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;36266908]I'm not butthurt? I'm quite happy on windows, I've tried ubuntu and even though it was quite cool it didn't have my applications. WINE is an alternative but people say it's a piece of shit so I didn't even bother and besides native programs are always the best programs. Yeah, it's free, that's a bonus but what about the native programs? I do a lot of work with fireworks, sony vegas, fraps and I play triple A titles and record them so I can put that on YouTube, a lot of those things won't merely work with Linux. There's only 2 good uses for Linux and that is server hosting and customization.[/QUOTE] The only reason I still have windows on my computer is for Steam, once that hops on Linux I'd be perfectly content with completely removing Windows from my computer. There are a quite bit more things Linux can do than you think; for example, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)]Android[/url] is running on a modified version of the linux kernel; hell, even OSX has UNIX roots. Wine works perfectly fine on my computer, I was even able to get Team Fortress 2 running almost as well as it would in a Windows capacity. My computer must be at least 3 years old, which has to say something. And if you're forced on linux, there are always free alternatives to programs that you use (but if needed, Wine could work, although I haven't tested it with things like Fireworks). Not to mention, your graph up there is a bit unfair- It includes iOS and Android as operating systems, when we're talking about OS X, Windows, and Linux alone.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;36266908]I'm not butthurt? I'm quite happy on windows, I've tried ubuntu and even though it was quite cool it didn't have my applications. WINE is an alternative but people say it's a piece of shit so I didn't even bother and besides native programs are always the best programs. Yeah, it's free, that's a bonus but what about the native programs? I do a lot of work with fireworks, sony vegas, fraps and I play triple A titles and record them so I can put that on YouTube, a lot of those things won't merely work with Linux. There's only 2 good uses for Linux and that is server hosting and customization.[/QUOTE] I take issue specifically with your statement that: [QUOTE]Linux is just something you put on your computer to try out or to use if your laptop is classified as a legacy PC and you know future versions of windows won't even start on it.[/QUOTE] You're really off base. Linux is useful, and many productive, intelligent people use it for their daily work.
I don't think I fit in with the criteria, sorry.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;36266462][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Wikimedia_OS_share_pie_chart.png[/IMG] [/QUOTE] You realize the majority of Windows users probably aren't gamers right? The majority probably don't even know there is a free alternative that will do exactly what they need. (Which is usually just web browsing and word processing these days.) [editline]10th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=fruxodaily;36266462]Subtract all of the valve games in your list and then look at how many games run for windows and then look at the Windows+Mac (steamplay) games, now think to yourself how many of your favourites are in that pile.[/QUOTE] The majority of my games come from Valve or the Humble Bundles which all have Linux versions available. All the games I play are mainly Valve or indie. If I wanted to play a AAA game I would probably buy the console version of it because the majority of ports for the PC suck nowadays (Just look at Rockstar's Games).
[QUOTE=Matt-;36271381]You realize the majority of Windows users probably aren't gamers right? The majority probably don't even know there is a free alternative that will do exactly what they need. (Which is usually just web browsing and word processing these days.)[/QUOTE] Or because they got Windows for "free" when they bought the computer.
[QUOTE=lavacano;36274950]Or because they got Windows for "free" when they bought the computer.[/QUOTE] I'd be happy so have the option of saving around 1-200 USD for a computer without Windows 7.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;36275039]I'd be happy so have the option of saving around 1-200 USD for a computer without Windows 7.[/QUOTE] Not to mention the 10-15 trial programs pre-installed on windows machines. Also I feel like the OS user count is skewed because of all the dual-booters. I use Linux as my main os, but right now I'm in windows to play games. Once steam gets released for Linux, I feel like the counts will be slightly more accurate.
[QUOTE=Naelstrom;36275187]Not to mention the 10-15 trial programs pre-installed on windows machines. Also I feel like the OS user count is skewed because of all the dual-booters. I use Linux as my main os, but right now I'm in windows to play games. Once steam gets released for Linux, I feel like the counts will be slightly more accurate.[/QUOTE] Completely true. The only thing, in actuallity, keeping me from Linux only, is that I have Valve games. Once they're ported, I'm all gone.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;36275340]Completely true. The only thing, in actuallity, keeping me from Linux only, is that I have Valve games. Once they're ported, I'm all gone.[/QUOTE] I very rarely buy non-Valve games, so I could probably make the switch very easily too.
All linux users will get a penguin hat in tf2. Calling it.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;36218870]I think when you're making games the API is a minor problem. Swapping out DirectX for OpenGL generally isn't a big deal.[/QUOTE] Ideally you'll have the game's graphics code abstracted to the point where you could quickly plug OpenGL methods into a few interfaces/abstract classes and you'd be able to switch between DirectX and OpenGL. Sadly, few games/engines have code clean enough to be able to do that nowadays.
[QUOTE=robmaister12;36275908]Ideally you'll have the game's graphics code abstracted to the point where you could quickly plug OpenGL methods into a few interfaces/abstract classes and you'd be able to switch between DirectX and OpenGL. Sadly, few games/engines have code clean enough to be able to do that nowadays.[/QUOTE] But why do that when you could just use OpenGL exclusively? It'd make AMD clean up their shitty act for one. [editline]10th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Desuh;36275736]All linux users will get a penguin hat in tf2. Calling it.[/QUOTE] Can't wait for the internet tears from those who break their computers trying to install Linux.
[QUOTE=Desuh;36275736]All linux users will get a penguin hat in tf2. Calling it.[/QUOTE] That would be awesome.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;36266462]seriously you guys, you act like your Operating system is god tier, it's shit tier. Windows and Mac literally overshadow it, Linux has no proper advertising[/QUOTE] Market share and advertising do not a good operating system make. Or more specifically, an operating system is not any better just because a lot of people use it.
[QUOTE=Desuh;36275736]All linux users will get a penguin hat in tf2. Calling it.[/QUOTE] Only to Arch and Gentoo users, just to fuck with everyone :v: Personally I'd prefer a Tux badge.
[QUOTE=_Chewgum;36204917][code] Me to Gaben Newell: Are you fat? Gabe Newell: Yes [/code] ITS CONFIRMED GUS!!!!!![/QUOTE] you just made half-life 3 delay another year
[QUOTE=der_crow;36278261]you just made half-life 3 delay another year[/QUOTE] we'd all be dead by the time the game is released with the amount of times it's been "delayed"
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;36266462]BLAH BLAH BLAH[/QUOTE] Quantity doesn't mean Quality
[QUOTE=Funcoot;36205041]Very excited for steam to be coming to Linux. Now I might actually find a better reason to dual boot.[/QUOTE] Now I actually have a reason to stop dual booting and get rid of Windows.
[QUOTE=n0cturni;36276679]Market share and advertising do not a good operating system make. Or more specifically, an operating system is not any better just because a lot of people use it.[/QUOTE] How many people use linux in the world, not including server linux and phones that use linux
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;36280436]How many people use linux in the world, not including server linux and phones that use linux[/QUOTE] That's a hard number to get, but Ubuntu alone has about 20 million users.
I really don't see a reason to use Linux.
[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;36280487]That's a hard number to get, but Ubuntu alone has about 20 million users.[/QUOTE] That was bigger than I expected, yeah I know a lot of windows and mac users don't intend on gaming but I just don't see a lot of Triple A titles hitting linux, I may be wrong who knows
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;36280436]How many people use linux in the world, not including server linux and phones that use linux[/QUOTE] Probably millions, though still not comparable to the others market share. Same argument but whatever. The fact that it is used in a vast amount of servers and other devices, reliably, just goes to show that it's far from being "shit-tier."
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