• Opinion: "Why I'm keeping my Windows XP machine"
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[url]http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/why-im-keeping-my-windows-xp-machine-223671[/url] [quote=Woody Leonhard/InfoWorld]Microsoft can throw its Windows XP retirement party, if it wants, but I won't count myself among the celebrants. Like millions (more likely many hundreds of millions) of people around the world, I have very good reasons for keeping Windows XP alive and kicking. My leanings aside, Microsoft's attempts to get people to give up Windows XP have turned from somber to stupid. On the somber side, back on April 9, 2012, Microsoft posted on the Windows Blog a reasoned and detailed description of the many benefits of moving away from Windows XP.[/quote]
why i'm keeping my windows xp machine: i'm too poor to afford a new computer
But Windows 8 can run on almost [I]ANYTHING[/I]. Shit I even put it on a computer that could barely run XP. That aside, I don't particularly like Windows 8, and I'm kinda off put by what Microsoft feels is the next generation of Windows. I'm comfortable with Windows 7, which I'm probably going to stick with until they kick me off with some programs that are exclusive to Windows 9 or 10 or something.
What the fuck ? I wouldn't keep my xp I have moved on to windows 7 when it came out and it's the best (Heard 8 its ok but don't wanna get it).
I can't wait for XP to finally get the ax, because then finally we won't have to support it at my job anymore. I'd say 80% of the XP calls we get either require an SFC operation to fix (which for those that don't know requires an XP install CD to run), or the computer's so fucking old the hard drive is finally failing.
In that entire rambling nonsense the only reason he put forward on why he doesn't want XP to be retired is he can't get a USB to RS232 to work, which I use pretty frequently for old hardware interfaces on my windows 7 machine :v: My bet is either he got drivers mixed up or the settings wrong and for that he's keeping a dying laptop on life support running windows XP :v:
His biggest reason is to keep compatibility with old machines, particularly ones for businesses. Okay, great; that's reasonable. Doesn't mean you shouldn't ever upgrade anything. As fun of a ride as WinXP was, Win7 has served me very well. I don't see the problem with Microsoft trying to sell their new software. How is making a campaign to convince people to upgrade stupid? Does he not realize that they're a business? What are they supposed to do, make graphics that say "Windows XP is completely fine and you should keep using it instead of Windows 8, which isn't as good" instead? :v:
So what I'm gathering is the guy's wife is holding on to wayyy too fucking old POS systems and needs to get something made in at least the last 6 years. Really, an old port that's been mostly phased out and because he can't/won't buy adapters ([URL="http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?MfrId=0&CatId=464"]wow look at all these USB to serial adapters[/URL]!!) and run XP in a virtual machine. What a moron.
There are people posting in the Rust subforum that were born after Windows XP was released.
[QUOTE=Elspin;41655906]In that entire rambling nonsense the only reason he put forward on why he doesn't want XP to be retired is he can't get a USB to RS232 to work, which I use pretty frequently for old hardware interfaces on my windows 7 machine :v: My bet is either he got drivers mixed up or the settings wrong and for that he's keeping a dying laptop on life support running windows XP :v:[/QUOTE] There's like 2 or 3 companies in the entire world who make the actual interfaces in those things. As far as I know they [B]all[/B] work on Win 7 and beyond. Being unable to fix a problem is a terrible reason not to upgrade. It's just hilarious.
I might keep an XP machine around if i want to use something specific for it, but other than that, it's good to upgrade to an operating system that is worth it.
[QUOTE=megafat;41655956]I might keep an XP machine around if i want to use something specific for it, but other than that, it's good to upgrade to an operating system that is worth it.[/QUOTE] No point keeping a PC around just for that IMO, given how much HDD space most people have now it isn't [I]that[/I] much of a problem to keep a virtual machine setup with XP (or whatever old OS you have some desire to run) just sitting there.
[QUOTE=Jsm;41655946]There's like 2 or 3 companies in the entire world who make the actual interfaces in those things. As far as I know they [B]all[/B] work on Win 7 and beyond. Being unable to fix a problem is a terrible reason not to upgrade. It's just hilarious.[/QUOTE] Apparently my friend bought an ASRock board with a serial port on it for his Phenom II budget build. So apparently serial port support isn't dead yet.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;41655932]So what I'm gathering is the guy's wife is holding on to wayyy too fucking old POS systems and needs to get something made in at least the last 6 years. Really, an old port that's been mostly phased out and because he can't/won't buy adapters ([URL="http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?MfrId=0&CatId=464"]wow look at all these USB to serial adapters[/URL]!!) and run XP in a virtual machine. What a moron.[/QUOTE] To be fair in his article he says that the software is hard-coded to only work on COM1. Which is just poor design on casios behalf. However, on my laptop when I plug in one of those adapters it appears as COM1 so I dunno what the problem he is having is.. Unless of course he has only tried on a PC with a com port built in..
[QUOTE=Jsm;41655983]No point keeping a PC around just for that IMO, given how much HDD space most people have now it isn't [I]that[/I] much of a problem to keep a virtual machine setup with XP (or whatever old OS you have some desire to run) just sitting there.[/QUOTE] I could see it with legacy hardware (specifically legacy cards and devices etc missing 64 bit and Vista+ support). In which case you have no choice. Still, I would say that these shouldn't be workstation machines and keep internet access to the bare minimum.
I can easily understand the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality behind this, but Win XP is simply living on borrowed time. It works, but it's also more or less full of gaps: no official support from Microsoft translates to people making greater amounts of malware to effect people who still use this OS, because there's no one really bothering to make and publish official patches anymore.
My PC is from 2005, now explain to me why if I can run win7 and win8 just fine, why can't this fuck? If anyone is still using hardware from pre-2005, and it can't run win7, they're a shitty company.
I'm building a complete separate legacy system for when I eventually move on. It will run the fastest possible DirectX 9 graphics, run some of the fastest DDR2 ram at the maximum addressable capacity and run on a multicore chip. It will provide the solution for continuing to run 32, 16 and 8 bit legacy applications. I've never been fond of the use of virtual machines or emulation. The serial port is still VERY actively used. I've even found USB devices which have a USB to serial adapter built into it. The demand for things to look sleek and compact scares the good ol' com port into hiding, only appearing in pubic under the disguise of some other interface standard.
Can we add something like Windows betas where they have a timer that shows how long the system is meant to be used? On another note, when the support ends it will be bad shit. So many banks/businesses use XP, hackers will run viruses rampant, and when companies say "Microsoft please fix" they won't have anything done. Y2K14? Probably not but a dumb rambling that went on in my mind [editline]31st July 2013[/editline] Also the server version of XP will be supported until 2015
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41656011]I can easily understand the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality behind this, but Win XP is simply living on borrowed time. It works, but it's also more or less full of gaps: no official support from Microsoft translates to people making greater amounts of malware to effect people who still use this OS, because there's no one really bothering to make and publish official patches anymore.[/QUOTE] I know industrial equipment that runs on hardware whose manufacturer went out of business 30 years ago. Sometimes people will refuse to upgrade because even if you DO invest heavily on a modern system you're now wasting energy on a task that has not changed at all. You have a weaving machine run by a PDP-8. All it needs to do is start and stop motors while maintaining tension on the threads. The computer is made entirely from off the shelf TTL logic and a repair can be a digikey order away. There's no reason to replace the system with an embedded Windows XP machine running 512mb and a 2ghz processor and using a half dozen proprietary and VERY expensive boards that are worthless if a major component blows out. There's also the fact that manufacturers now will try and hang you by the balls with security dongles so that if you try and get someone else to repair the unit they might come up against a stored key mismatch. [quote]On another note, when the support ends it will be bad shit. So many banks/businesses use XP, hackers will run viruses rampant, and when companies say "Microsoft please fix" they won't have anything done. Y2K14? Probably not but a dumb rambling that went on in my mind[/quote] I know a bank that ran a Burroughs mainframe up until 2010 (and Burroughs ceased to exist in name since 1986). Again, the problem was not it couldn't do the job anymore but the strain commerce puts on companies and institutions to keep upgrading.
[QUOTE=draugur;41656024]My PC is from 2005, now explain to me why if I can run win7 and win8 just fine, why can't this fuck? If anyone is still using hardware from pre-2005, and it can't run win7, they're a shitty company.[/QUOTE] In other words, cheap. My current workplace is upgrading to Win7....slowly. Its as the 10 year old Dell shitboxes start dying off and they replace them with new Lenovo ones. Something amusing about the shop computer being brand new yet still connected to a 13 year old, grease stained, Mitsubishi CRT monitor.
I'm gonna stick with Windows 7 because it's well established and millions if not billions of other people have it. No sane developer would make a program only for Windows 8 cause the market is still to young and small.
-snip- so i upgraded to vista :downs:
Can we seriously stop posting opinion pieces and blogs? Pretty sure its against the rules to begin with
[QUOTE=areolop;41656133]Can we seriously stop posting opinion pieces and blogs? Pretty sure its against the rules to begin with[/QUOTE] There's a grey area with reputable sites that normally have "news" news but also have opinion pieces every now and again AFAIK. In the past, it seems to have gone fine, but we'll see.
[QUOTE=Binladen34;41655883]which I'm probably going to stick with until they kick me off with some programs that are exclusive to Windows 9 or 10 or something.[/QUOTE] Microsoft now uses the iterative yearly update system OSX uses, so it's going to be 8.1, 8.2, 8.3, 8.4...
I got my whole family off XP when windows 7 was released because the OS is dying
I installed XP on an old computer i reformatted because it ran many times faster than Windows 7.
We're just now replacing XP machines at my work with 7, we're taking all machines older than 5 years off the floor (some were up to 10 years old), but even with those ones gone there'll still be about 100 machines on XP, since until last year they'd put XP on everything.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41655870]why i'm keeping my windows xp machine: i'm too poor to afford a new computer[/QUOTE] this. vista has UAC(which is amazing, whether or not you hate it) and with the service pack its a great OS. win7 has some slight improvements over vista sp1 that make it worthwhile, and the only good reason not to get it is you cant afford it. but the article didn't mention any reasons other than "cant afford it", so i'll give a couple of good reasons: XP: directX 5-6-7 support. no virtualization. virtualization usually is good, but it causes a heap of problems in older games, including ones published by microsoft.. less bloated control panel. runs on low-end systems(not to be confused with being faster, which XP is not). I believe XP also had much easier folder sharing over a network, but i may be wrong about that.
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