• Nevermind the Apocalypse: Earliest Mayan Calendar Found
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[quote]The oldest-known version of the ancient Maya calendar has been discovered adorning a lavishly painted wall in the ruins of a city deep in the Guatemalan rainforest. The hieroglyphs, painted in black and red, along with a colorful mural of a king and his mysterious attendants, seem to have been a sort of handy reference chart for court scribes in A.D. 800 — the astronomers and mathematicians of their day. Contrary to popular myth, this calendar isn't a countdown to the end of the world in December 2012, the study researchers said. "The Mayan calendar is going to keep going for billions, trillions, octillions of years into the future," said archaeologist David Stuart of the University of Texas, who worked to decipher the glyphs. "Numbers we can't even wrap our heads around." [End of the World? Top Doomsday Fears] [b]A brilliant surprise[/b] The newly discovered calendar is complex indeed, featuring stacked bars and dots representing fives and ones and recording lunar cycles in six-month chunks of time. But it wasn't these mathematical notations that first caught the archeologists' eye. William Saturno, an archaeologist from Boston University, was mapping the ancient Maya city of Xultun in northeast Guatemala in 2010 when one of his undergraduate students peered into an old trench dug by looters and reported seeing traces of ancient paint. The discovery was "certainly nothing to write home about," Saturno told reporters on Thursday (May 10), in advance of releasing details of the murals in this week's issue of the journal Science. Paint doesn't preserve well in the rain forest climate of Guatemala, and Saturno figured that the faint red and black lines his student had found weren't going to yield much information. But he felt he had a responsibility to excavate the room the looters had tried to reach, if only to be able to report the size of the structure along with the paint finding. As Saturno continued along the old trench to the back wall, he was shocked to run into a brilliantly painted portrait: a Mayan king, sitting on his throne, wearing a red crown with blue feathers flowing out behind him. Another figure peeks out from behind him. On an adjoining wall, three loincloth-clad figures sit, wearing feathered headdresses. One is captioned "Older Brother Obsidian," or "Senior Obsidian," a still-mysterious title. Next to the king, a man painted in brilliant orange wearing jade bracelets reaches out with a stylus, likely identifying him as a scribe. He is labeled as "Younger Brother Obsidian," or perhaps "Junior Obsidian." [See Photos of the Mayan murals] [b]It's not the end of the world[/b] These paintings — covering the west and north walls of the small, 6-foot-by-6-foot room — weren't the only surprise Xultun had to offer. On the east wall, someone had painted a series of small, complex hieroglyphics. This, the researchers soon realized, was a calendar. The calendar seemed to have been added after the murals were completed, as some of the numbers cover up painted figures on the wall. It's almost as if an ancient scribe got sick of flipping through a document to find his timekeeping chart and decided to put it on the wall for at-a-glance reference, Stuart said. "It's kind of like having a whiteboard in your office where you're writing down formulas that you want to remember," he said. The Maya recorded time in a series of cycles, including 400-year chunks called baktuns. It's these baktuns that have led to rumors of an end-of-the-world catastrophe on Dec. 21, 2012 — on that date, a cycle of 13 baktuns will be complete. But the idea that this means the end of the world is a misconception, Stuart said. In fact, Maya experts have known for a long time that the calendar doesn't end after the 13th baktun. It simply begins a new cycle. And the calendar encompasses much larger units than the baktun. "There were 24 units of time they actually could have incorporated into their calendar," Stuart said. "Here, we're only seeing five units and they're still really big." In one column, the ancient scribe even worked out a cycle of time recording 17 baktuns, the researchers found. In another spot, someone etched a "ring number" into the wall. These notations were used to record time in a previous cycle, thousands of years into the past. The calendar also appears to note the cycles of Mars and Venus, the researchers said. Symbols of gods head the top of each lunar cycle, suggesting that each cycle had its own patron deity. "There was a lot more to the Maya calendar than just 13 baktuns," Stuart said. [b]Scratching the surface[/b] This ancient "wall calendar" is a major find, because the first known calendar and astronomical tables before this time came from the Dresden Codex, a book that dates to the 11th or 12th centuries. Most likely, Saturno said, the wall calendar and the Dresden Codex both arose from earlier books that long ago rotted away. [8 Grisly Archaeological Discoveries] The mural room gives an unprecedented glimpse into the work lives of Mayan scientists, Stuart said. The mural room is in a compound with several other rooms, which were collapsed and built over in later years. The murals only survived, because, instead of collapsing the room, Mayan engineers filled it with rubble and then built on top of it. "This is clearly a space where someone important was living, this important household of the noble class, and here you also have a mathematician working in that space," Stuart said. "It's a great illustration of how closely those roles were connected in Mayan society." Kings would have been extremely interested in timekeeping, Stuart said, because part of their job was to conduct rituals of renewal at certain times. Unfortunately, the name of the king pictured in the mural room has been lost. Although Xultun was first discovered in 1915, less than 0.1 percent has been explored, Saturno said. Looters damaged much of the ancient city in the 1970s, meaning much of historical significance has been lost. But archaeologists still don't even know how far the boundaries of the town extend. "[That] investigations can begin and in a house like this we can find something we've never seen before only speaks to the great wealth of scientific material that remains in Guatemala in the Maya area for us to discover," Saturno said. The excavations of the mural room were funded by the National Geographic Society.[/quote] [url]http://www.livescience.com/20218-apocalypse-oldest-mayan-calendar.html[/url]
Oh I am so relieved now. I was so worried that the world was going to end but now I know the truth.
Sorry, Revelations 2012.
I was never worried about the end of days, i knew that the end of this Baktun is just the end of a cycle and another will start up.
Haha oh wow
I bet the Mayans would've gotten a kick out of watching our reactions about 2012.
The apocalypse nuts will just call it a hoax. The only thing that will put these fears to rest is the coming of December 22nd, 2012
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Ancient_aliens.png[/IMG] Is this show canceled now? :v:
Even before this discovery, anybody who bothered to google it could easily find out that the Mayans never predicted anything about the world ending in 2012; they actually had events and holidays planned for later than that.
[QUOTE=Nutt007;35910208][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Ancient_aliens.png[/IMG] Is this show canceled now? :v:[/QUOTE] [b]Does this mean the world won't end in 2012?[/b] [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O606tj1oKSc/ToP8MSNDASI/AAAAAAAAAlM/p2IwG7m_UMM/s1600/Ancient.jpg[/img] [b]Not necessarily![/b]
I just saw this on SourceFed. My only question is, does this mean the next cycle will be the same as the old one? With the seasons and what have you. Or is a completely new cycle?
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;35910390]I just saw this on SourceFed. My only question is, does this mean the next cycle will be the same as the old one? With the seasons and what have you. Or is a completely new cycle?[/QUOTE] I'm assuming it's just like another calendar year, nothing seasonal really changes just another cycle.
I find it interesting that they planned so far ahead. Quite full of themselves these Myans.
im sad
You know, people have believed that [I]this time,[/I] the world is going to end hundreds of times. This isn't anything special.
I'm still baffled by how many people don't know that the Mayans simply meant that the world as they know it was going to end - which included a ton of options such as disease wiping most of them out.
[QUOTE=mac338;35910140]I bet the Mayans would've gotten a kick out of watching our reactions about 2012.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.biomasse-nutzung.de/wp-content/bilder/Maya-Kalendar-endet-2012-f%C3%BCr-Bioenergie-Artikel.jpg[/IMG]
What if I were to make a calendar that stops at 24 February 2013 on perkament and hide it in some Egyptian pharao's tomb, let's see how people will react.
But i already told my boss to go fuck himself.
Shit now what will I use my bunker for??
[QUOTE=markg06;35911822]Shit now what will I use my bunker for??[/QUOTE] The Y2k20s
I wonder if people will still believe that whole 2012 thing. :v: [QUOTE=Desuh;35911211][IMG]http://www.biomasse-nutzung.de/wp-content/bilder/Maya-Kalendar-endet-2012-f%C3%BCr-Bioenergie-Artikel.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Old gold [QUOTE=markg06;35911822]Shit now what will I use my bunker for??[/QUOTE] I've always dreamed of owning a bunker Can I have it?
fuck you, it's mine.
Thanks! Now I am sure the world wont end! Watch as all the nutjobs will say "This is just the beggining, the real judgement day starts in.....!"
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;35911177]I'm still baffled by how many people don't know that the Mayans simply meant that the world as they know it was going to end - which included a ton of options such as disease wiping most of them out.[/QUOTE]They didn't mean anything because the Maya never predicted an apocalypse or any event at all. It was just a calendar exactly like the ones we throw out ever January and replace with new ones. All it meant was that they would be moving in to the next cycle.
People are gonna still quit their jobs and blow their money, and I won't feel the slightest bit bad for them
I'll still try to complete my bucket list before Dec 21st. That said, one of the parts in my bucket list involve having sex with Olivia Wilde, which will never happen.
[QUOTE=usaokay;35919988]I'll still try to complete my bucket list before Dec 21st. That said, one of the parts in my bucket list involve having sex with Olivia Wilde, which will never happen.[/QUOTE]Try just straight up telling her that's what you want. Who knows, worst that could happen is you get a restraining order against you.
[QUOTE=aydin690;35911377]But i already told my boss to go fuck himself.[/QUOTE] What? I tell my dad to go fuck himself as well all the time? I don't see how the world is gonna end.
I'm actually legitimately worried about 2012. Not because it'll be the end of the world, but because of how many people believe it. People that think they're going to die don't give a shit about consequences, and looting happens- And I'm living off of the biggest commercial street in America.
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