• More teens smoke pot than cigarettes, says CDC survey
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[QUOTE=Warriorx4;36267412]The ad-hominem is strong with you. I am not defending cigarettes. Let me repeat. I am not defending cigarettes. I'll type it out again. I am not defending cigarettes. I am trying to correct an error. You CANNOT make a claim without a citation in the real world. You will get thrown out of court for that, you will be laughed at by the tribunal, the council will ask you to leave, you cannot do that.[/QUOTE] SWOOSH You hear that!? That was the point of my fucking post flying over your head!
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[QUOTE=Warriorx4;36267457]-snip- done here.[/QUOTE] Thatta boy, first smart post you've made here.
Oh man, this thread, my sides. I don't know what to think about this.
[QUOTE=SilverBullet;36267523]Oh man, this thread, my sides. I don't know what to think about this.[/QUOTE] Implying I ever made that claim. Ever. By you editing your post, I see that you actually read the thread.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;36267532]Implying I ever made that claim. Ever. By you editing your post, I see that you actually read the thread.[/QUOTE] For a second there I was getting people mixed up. My bad.
All I know is that I started smoking over last summer and felt like shit a few weeks in. I noticed a major drop in my athletic ability as well so I stopped. I only occasionally smoke now, I'm what you'd call a 'social' smoker. Weed however, is great. Never had any side effects other than disappointed parents, but that's pretty common right?
[QUOTE=SteelReal;36267568]All I know is that I started smoking over last summer and felt like shit a few weeks in. I noticed a major drop in my athletic ability as well so I stopped. I only occasionally smoke now, I'm what you'd call a 'social' smoker. Weed however, is great. Never had any side effects other than disappointed parents, but that's pretty common right?[/QUOTE] You have to be lazy in the first place for that to happen.
[QUOTE=SilverBullet;36267581]You have to be lazy in the first place for that to happen.[/QUOTE] No, it was more of them being ignorant and buying into all the social stigma associated with the drug.
Anyone arguing about this needs to just find something else to do. Look, you can call bullshit on anything else I post about, but look, I [i]smoke[/i] weed. Like, [I]CONSTANTLY[/I]. That's the one thing I know for sure about, 100%. I'm learning a little bit about music and guitars and amplifiers and stuff, you can see that in my other posts on the forum, but I'm an absolutely proven source of info on Cannabis. So here's the meat of it. The number of compounds in a substance has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on how dangerous it is for you. In reality, it depends on what exactly they are, and the concentrations of them therein. A Cannabinoid is a compound molecule whose structure is such that it will bind to the cannabinoid receptors that exist naturally in your brain. There are at least eighty or so Cannabinoids in the Cannabis plant, and there are most likely more that we haven't yet isolated that are synthesized in other plants. But in your average hybrid Cannabis plant with decent genetics, probably has almost a hundred different cannabinoids alone in it, with a lot of them being psychoactive and having different effects in different ratios. And this goes completely without mentioning the hundreds of other compound molecules that the plant creates in order to do its planty business. So there are a lot of 'chemicals' in pot as well. What makes pot different is mostly that you smoke a lot less of it, like, orders of magnitude less. Your average young cigarette smoker will go through around a pack a day, possibly more, that's how much all my friends in my age group smoke. So imagine how big a pack of cigarettes is, and know that, besides the filters and the air in the pack, it's chock full of tobacco. However, a friend and I can smoke all day on a gram of high quality cannabis, meaning we both get half a gram, so it's just ludicrous to compare that to the amount of material that you burn when smoking cigarettes. Hell even if we're smoking mids, that's still only like two to three grams that will last us probably all day and even into the next day, while staying consistently under the influence of cannabis. So in the first place, as far as the amounts used, you're comparing a bonfire to a smoulder. Beyond that, the compounds themselves are what are actually important to your health, and it appears to be that the compounds found in cannabis actually help the body fight cancer, and they also appear to promote neurogenesis. So when comparing the compounds, you're comparing apples to oranges. That's why you're arguing about the number of compounds, because it wouldn't make any sense to argue apples to oranges so instead, someone though it would be a good idea to compare the number of apples to the number of oranges.
[QUOTE=Grabigel;36258499]Honestly, people that smoke cigarettes these days that aren't in some ridiculously high stress job are complete morons.[/QUOTE] Or just thought it was cool 5 years ago when they were young teens and it stuck. I smoke 'em a good bit. I'm not really addicted, as stupid as that may sound, but I'm really not. It's more social than anything. I am 100% aware they're terrible for me, and I'm definitely not proud of it nor do I brag about it or anything either. I'll smoke pot though too when the opportunity permits. I'm not in a high stress job, nor am I a [I]complete[/I] moron. I get good grades in school, work well with others, am a good friend, all that stuff.
[QUOTE=jbthekid;36267640]Or just thought it was cool 5 years ago when they were young teens and it stuck. I smoke 'em a good bit. I'm not really addicted, as stupid as that may sound, but I'm really not. It's more social than anything. I am 100% aware they're terrible for me, and I'm definitely not proud of it nor do I brag about it or anything either. I'll smoke pot though too when the opportunity permits. I'm not in a high stress job, nor am I a [I]complete[/I] moron. I get good grades in school, work well with others, am a good friend, all that stuff.[/QUOTE] This The only thing wrong with smoking is denying that it's bad for you. I eat cake, I like cake, I don't deny it's bad for me. Yum cake. [editline]10th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SilverBullet;36267549]For a second there I was getting people mixed up. My bad.[/QUOTE] No problem
[QUOTE=Sanius;36267086]can you even read I ask somebody for a citation and you're going on a rant about how I'm ignoring facts[/QUOTE] It's the first fucking result for "chemicals added to cigarettes" go away
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;36268188]It's the first fucking result for "chemicals added to cigarettes" go away[/QUOTE] no it's not, this is: [URL]http://www.quitsmokingsupport.com/whatsinit.htm[/URL] quitsmokingsupport.com sounds really unbiased [editline]1[/editline] wow look at all of the sources it cites (none)
Can this get moved to Mass Debate or something? Damn, always at eachother's throats.....
[QUOTE=Sanius;36268289]no it's not, this is: [URL]http://www.quitsmokingsupport.com/whatsinit.htm[/URL] quitsmokingsupport.com sounds really unbiased [editline]1[/editline] wow look at all of the sources it cites (none)[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.pmi.com/eng/our_products/ingredients/pages/technical_products_information.aspx[/url] [url]http://quitsmoking.about.com/cs/nicotineinhaler/a/cigingredients.htm[/url] "The list of 599 additives approved by the US Government for use in the manufacture of cigarettes is something every smoker should see. Submitted by the five major American cigarette companies to the Dept. of Health and Human Services in April of 1994, this list of ingredients had long been kept a secret." Do you need a certificate of authenticity? Now sit down and shut the fuck up. Before you respond with what I think you're going to, what would be the point in lying about ALL of this?
[QUOTE=Warriorx4;36267325]BigOwl. I want you to read this carefully. I can't speak for Sanius, but I am not saying cigarettes are not harmful. They are harmful, much more so than marijuana I believe. What I am saying, is that a claim as big as the one that was made (4000+ harmful chemicals in a cigarette) should be backed up with legitimate evidence. Do you understand?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.tricountycessation.org/tobaccofacts/Cigarette-Ingredients.html[/url] Says there's 4000 chemicals produced in the combustion, but only about 69 are explicitly harmful. Dunno if he's provided a source so I googled this one.
That seems about right. I'd say about 75% of the kids i know have at least tried weed. And only a small group of them smoke cigarettes. I'm still one of the nervous nellies that haven't done either.
[QUOTE=darcy010;36269067]That seems about right. I'd say about 75% of the kids i know have at least tried weed. And only a small group of them smoke cigarettes. I'm still one of the nervous nellies that haven't done either.[/QUOTE] If you get the opportunity try it. First time for me was awesome. [editline]10th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SteelReal;36267595]No, it was more of them being ignorant and buying into all the social stigma associated with the drug.[/QUOTE] Woops, I thought you typed academic, not athletic.
Facepunch, forever bitching about things that have nothing to do with the thread. But guyyys citations :(
This thread has been infuriating to read through. I'm totally on the [I]"weed is a lot better"[/I] side of the fence, and I totally believe that cigarettes are death to your body in many ways and that they contain all kinds of shit, but everything seemed to get derailed by a simple request for a citation. How can you not see that citations or other kinds of [I]proof[/I] are important? It's as if people here are trying to say that if the common belief is that weed is better, then proof is unnecessary. It is always necessary to back up your claims. Nothing is ever 'just common knowledge'. I can't claim to know anything about this, but judging from the links that have actually been posted, it's almost like nobody really knows how much shit there is in cigarettes. The list of 599 chemicals seems fairly reliable to me, while nobody has been able to support the claim that there are 4000 dangerous chemicals in it. So next time, why not just... Y'know... Say 599 instead of 4000? 599 is still pretty god damn bad, so there's no need to make a claim you can't back up. also vapor everything, no smoke
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;36270002]This thread has been infuriating to read through. I'm totally on the [I]"weed is a lot better"[/I] side of the fence, and I totally believe that cigarettes are death to your body in many ways and that they contain all kinds of shit, but everything seemed to get derailed by a simple request for a citation. How can you not see that citations or other kinds of [I]proof[/I] are important? It's as if people here are trying to say that if the common belief is that weed is better, then proof is unnecessary. It is always necessary to back up your claims. Nothing is ever 'just common knowledge'. I can't claim to know anything about this, but judging from the links that have actually been posted, it's almost like nobody really knows how much shit there is in cigarettes. The list of 599 chemicals seems fairly reliable to me, while nobody has been able to support the claim that there are 4000 dangerous chemicals in it. So next time, why not just... Y'know... Say 599 instead of 4000? 599 is still pretty god damn bad, so there's no need to make a claim you can't back up. also vapor everything, no smoke[/QUOTE] I think something got lost in translation for most folk, it's not that there's 4000 dangerous chemicals, it's that there's 4000 chemicals total in the smoke given off, while a smaller portion of those (the 69/559 chemicals) are actually the hazardous materials. But I totally agree, if you're gonna make a claim then be reay to back it up, it's amateur to do otherwise.
[QUOTE=Grabigel;36258499]Honestly, people that smoke cigarettes these days that aren't in some ridiculously high stress job are complete morons.[/QUOTE] :( What if I just want to sit down, relax and enjoy a cigarette? Sure I could just sit down and relax but... It's not the same!
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;36264117]wordwall[/QUOTE] you know that a cigarette can be anything from a simple roll of paper with grounded tobacco with no shit in it to an mass-produced cigarette, right i dont think the former is gonna have lithium or any other shit you find in a filter/factory-produced cigarette
[QUOTE=Ownederd;36270154]you know that a cigarette can be anything from a simple roll of paper with grounded tobacco with no shit in it to an mass-produced cigarette, right i dont think the former is gonna have lithium or any other shit you find in a filter/factory-produced cigarette[/QUOTE] Where I live the word cigarette is solely used for factory manufactured cigarettes. The other we call shag but the tobacco also has shit added to it, because guess who makes the shag? cigarette manufacturers! Unless you grow your own of course.
I dunno if this has been posted but smoking weed doesn't seem to damage your lungs according to a 20 year study [url]http://www.takepart.com/article/2012/01/11/marijuana-not-bad-your-lungs[/url] Also Im not sure if there were arguments about weed causing psychosis, but if anyone said it did its unfounded and not proved because 40 percent of a marijuana extract is an anti-psychotic cannibinoid.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;36270319]I dunno if this has been posted but smoking weed doesn't seem to damage your lungs according to a 20 year study [url]http://www.takepart.com/article/2012/01/11/marijuana-not-bad-your-lungs[/url] Also Im not sure if there were arguments about weed causing psychosis, but if anyone said it did its unfounded and not proved because 40 percent of a marijuana extract is an anti-psychotic cannibinoid.[/QUOTE] A friend of mine got a psychosis which was caused by him smoking weed according to his doctor.
Weed doesn't actually turn you insane, it only has the possibility to unearth and reveal any mental issues you have, but that's probably caused by the alterd perception so alcohol, LSD, mushrooms or any other drug with a psychological effect on your perception could do the same.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36270332]A friend of mine got a psychosis which was caused by him smoking weed according to his doctor.[/QUOTE] I didn't say it definetly doesn't cause psychosis, I will say it can bring out underlying conditions earlier than they would have surfaced ie your friend would have probably got psychosis anyway just later in his life. Although generally for people with psychosis most things that intoxicate them (even alcohol) can make their condition worse. Im just saying there is no conclusive study that say marijuana definetly causes psychosis
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;36270363]I didn't say it definetly doesn't cause psychosis, I will say it can bring out underlying conditions earlier than they would have surfaced ie your friend would have probably got psychosis anyway just later in his life. Although generally for people with psychosis most things that intoxicate them (even alcohol) can make their condition worse. Im just saying there is no conclusive study that say marijuana definetly causes psychosis[/QUOTE] That's all I meant.
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