• Two Teens Sent to Prison for S. Korean Bullying Suicide
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[QUOTE=Megafan;34798952]"The teens also admitted to taking food from the victim's home, pushing his head into the sink and forcing him to eat biscuits off the ground, the court said." Yes, [I]of course [/I]it wasn't really the bully's fault.[/QUOTE] Them taking food from his house is implying HE let them in. Why the fuck would he do that if they bullied him? Also, pushing his head into the sink? WOW now that's something to kill yourself over! (/sarcasm) When they did that he should of simply waited til they let him up, then turned around and started swinging. OHHH he had to eat a cookie from the ground? i was eating a mrs. fields cookie while walking today (<--- HIGHLY RECOMMENDED they're fucking delicious) I dropped it, Proceeded to pick it up, dust if off and continue to eat it. Should i now go kill myself? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Incredibly Insensitive/Trivializing Suicide" - Megafan))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=McCarthy;34799019]Them taking food from his house is implying HE let them in. Why the fuck would he do that if they bullied him? Also, pushing his head into the sink? WOW now that's something to kill yourself over! (/sarcasm) When they did that he should of simply waited til they let him up, then turned around and started swinging. OHHH he had to eat a cookie from the ground? i was eating a mrs. fields cookie while walking today (<--- HIGHLY RECOMMENDED they're fucking delicious) I dropped it, Proceeded to pick it up, dust if off and continue to eat it. Should i now go kill myself?[/QUOTE]Yes you should go kill yourself, because you're extremely ignorant.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34799037]Yes you should go kill yourself, because you're extremely ignorant.[/QUOTE] I'm ignorant? I would consider the person telling another human they should go kill themselves for simply voicing an opinion YOU disagree with to kill themselves, as being the ignorant party in this discussion.
[QUOTE=McCarthy;34799019]Them taking food from his house is implying HE let them in. Why the fuck would he do that if they bullied him? Also, pushing his head into the sink? WOW now that's something to kill yourself over! (/sarcasm) When they did that he should of simply waited til they let him up, then turned around and started swinging. OHHH he had to eat a cookie from the ground? i was eating a mrs. fields cookie while walking today (<--- HIGHLY RECOMMENDED they're fucking delicious) I dropped it, Proceeded to pick it up, dust if off and continue to eat it. Should i now go kill myself? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Incredibly Insensitive/Trivializing Suicide" - Megafan))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Oh come on it's not like his comments aren't the first to take a lighter view on teenage depression. I highly doubt anyone knew that he was being bullied, otherwise he wouldn't have lost it. [editline]21st February 2012[/editline] the video game thing is also a bit stupid, the parents clearly don't care.
[QUOTE=McCarthy;34799019]Them taking food from his house is implying HE let them in. Why the fuck would he do that if they bullied him? Also, pushing his head into the sink? WOW now that's something to kill yourself over! (/sarcasm) When they did that he should of simply waited til they let him up, then turned around and started swinging. OHHH he had to eat a cookie from the ground? i was eating a mrs. fields cookie while walking today (<--- HIGHLY RECOMMENDED they're fucking delicious) I dropped it, Proceeded to pick it up, dust if off and continue to eat it. Should i now go kill myself? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Incredibly Insensitive/Trivializing Suicide" - Megafan))[/highlight][/QUOTE] While you may enjoy dunking your head in toilets and eating shit off the ground, did it occur to you that others might not? Also, did it occur that perhaps these idiots broke into his home, and they weren't in fact let in? People like you are the reason why people resort to suicide. You are an ignorant child who says stupid shit like this just because you're hiding behind a computer screen.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;34799183]While you may enjoy dunking your head in toilets and eating shit off the ground, did it occur to you that others might not? Also, did it occur that perhaps these idiots broke into his home, and they weren't in fact let in? People like you are the reason why people resort to suicide. You are an ignorant child who says stupid shit like this just because you're hiding behind a computer screen.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but regardless of his debatable ignorance, involuntary intake of food by bullies and forced head dunking is still a terrible excuse to off yourself.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;34799183]While you may enjoy dunking your head in toilets and eating shit off the ground, did it occur to you that others might not? Also, did it occur that perhaps these idiots broke into his home[/QUOTE] But none of those things happened. The fact that the kids admitted to forcing him eat a biscuit off the ground. Teenagers fight all the time and nobody cares. The whole fact of the matter is that the kid committed suicide because he was afraid to speak. Once you're afraid to utter a word to anybody who may care, you may as well die. Ignorance as an excuse is poor, this kid was brought up badly to not be able to talk.
[QUOTE=McCarthy;34799055]I'm ignorant? I would consider the person telling another human they should go kill themselves for simply voicing an opinion YOU disagree with to kill themselves, as being the ignorant party in this discussion.[/QUOTE] Yes, you are ignorant because you clearly don't know shit about the situation or what it's like to be bullied like that. On a more positive note, at least the punishment wasn't just a slap on the wrist like it is for lots of other countries. Making an example like this might discourage others in S. Korea to prevent bullying.
[QUOTE=IForgotPassword;34799285]Yes, you are ignorant because you clearly don't know shit about the situation or what it's like to be bullied like that. On a more positive note, at least the punishment wasn't just a slap on the wrist like it is for lots of other countries. Making an example like this might discourage others in S. Korea to prevent bullying.[/QUOTE] Youth are subject to bullying all the time, resulting often in much harsher physical and emotional abuse than this poor kid, but again it does not merit the cowardly act of jumping off a building.
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;34799326]Youth are subject to bullying all the time, resulting often in much harsher physical and emotional abuse than this poor kid, but again it does not merit the cowardly act of jumping off a building.[/QUOTE] It takes some real audacity to call suicide cowardly, especially after he was harassed and assaulted.
[QUOTE=Megafan;34799347]It takes some real audacity to call suicide cowardly, especially after he was harassed and assaulted.[/QUOTE] According to the article this has been happening for almost a year as well, and it seems like nobody tried to stop it. I think it's safe to say the victim didn't think anyone cared at that point.
[QUOTE=Megafan;34799347]It takes some real audacity to call suicide cowardly, especially after he was harassed and assaulted.[/QUOTE] That's because suicide [I]is[/I] cowardly. A permanent solution to a temporary problem. The commitment of suicide cements the fact that you are timidly incapable of facing your issues. Take for example the pioneers of the civil rights movement. They were exposed to harassment and assault to an exponentially higher degree than this idiot, and yet imagine if they'd all decided their best bet was suicide by impact. I'm sure[I] that[/I] would have ended racial segregation in the United States.
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;34799401]That's because suicide [I]is[/I] cowardly. A permanent solution to a temporary problem. The commitment of suicide cements the fact that you are timidly incapable of facing your issues. Take for example the pioneers of the civil rights movement. They were exposed to harassment and assault to an exponentially higher degree than this idiot, and yet imagine if they'd all decided their best bet was suicide by impact. I'm sure[I] that[/I] would have ended racial segregation in the United States.[/QUOTE] [url]http://gizmodo.com/5726667/the-agonizing-last-words-of-bill-zeller[/url] Read this next time you decide to call suicide cowardly like it's a stone solid fact.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;34799416][url]http://gizmodo.com/5726667/the-agonizing-last-words-of-bill-zeller[/url] Read this next time you decide to call suicide cowardly like it's a stone solid fact.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure how a child being forced to eat a cookie off the ground is comparable to a child being repeatedly raped, but I stand by what I said. The man in that article offed himself due to his inability to cope with his past. It was in no way a heroic action, he had nothing to prove by dieing.
[QUOTE=Megafan;34799347]It takes some real audacity to call suicide cowardly, especially after he was harassed and assaulted.[/QUOTE] Well it's not tragic.
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;34799456]I'm not sure how a child being forced to eat a cookie off the ground is comparable to a child being repeatedly raped, but I stand by what I said. The man in that article offed himself due to his inability to cope with his past. It was in no way a heroic action, he had nothing to prove by dieing.[/QUOTE] No one's said it was heroic, but you're making the kid out to be some kind of fool. As if it was somehow his fault that he was harassed.
[QUOTE=Megafan;34799490]No one's said it was heroic, but you're making the kid out to be some kind of fool. As if it was somehow his fault that he was harassed.[/QUOTE] A person who murders themself is more likely the one to be at fault of his/her own demise.
[QUOTE=Megafan;34799490]No one's said it was heroic, but you're making the kid out to be some kind of fool. As if it was somehow his fault that he was harassed.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Oxford English Dictionary] fool Pronunciation: /fu&#720;l/ noun 1a person who acts unwisely or imprudently; a silly person [/QUOTE] Yes, He is a fool. It is most unwise and imprudent to solve life's issues by flinging yourself off a building.
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;34799326]Youth are subject to bullying all the time, resulting often in much harsher physical and emotional abuse than this poor kid, but again it does not merit the cowardly act of jumping off a building.[/QUOTE] So what do you deem as "suicide-appropriate" actions? How far should kids be pushed before they're allowed to kill themselves? What a lot of people fail to realize, is every single person on this earth has their own breaking point. While you may be able to tolerate insults and harassment, others might not. I think it's very rude to assume that someone is "weak" and "cowardly" because they wanted to relieve themselves of torment. While I would never encourage suicide, and I think there are better ways to handle things, many people see it as a viable way out. It's like people who turn to alcohol and drugs. You can drink and dope yourself to death, or you can jump off of a building. Either way it's never good.
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;34799401]That's because suicide [I]is[/I] cowardly. A permanent solution to a temporary problem. The commitment of suicide cements the fact that you are timidly incapable of facing your issues. Take for example the pioneers of the civil rights movement. They were exposed to harassment and assault to an exponentially higher degree than this idiot, and yet imagine if they'd all decided their best bet was suicide by impact. I'm sure[I] that[/I] would have ended racial segregation in the United States.[/QUOTE] Wow, you are seriously lacking in empathy. No-one here is, insofar as I'm aware, saying that suicide is amazing, or heroic. If a person has been harassed and assaulted to the point where they are contemplating suicide, you have no right to condemn them for that just because you've never been where they've been. Comparing their actions to those who fought in the civil rights movement is an absolutely atrocious comparison.
a situation where suicide is appopriate is when you run out of food or an imminent disaster that will cause excruciating pain until death. Most problems are solved with a person learning to relax. But at a young age, there's not much you can do but tell people and fight back.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;34799536]So what do you deem as "suicide-appropriate" actions? How far should kids be pushed before they're allowed to kill themselves? What a lot of people fail to realize, is every single person on this earth has their own breaking point. While you may be able to tolerate insults and harassment, others might not. I think it's very rude to assume that someone is "weak" and "cowardly" because they wanted to relieve themselves of torment. While I would never encourage suicide, and I think there are better ways to handle things, many people see it as a viable way out. It's like people who turn to alcohol and drugs. You can drink and dope yourself to death, or you can jump off of a building. Either way it's never good.[/QUOTE] I fail to see why any action would be "suicide-appropriate". Since when has there been a point where it becomes socially acceptable to end yourself? The thought of suicide as a viable escape is a mental issue in it's own and this kid should have been in counselling, not stuck to the pavement.
[QUOTE=AK'z;34799512]A person who murders themself is more likely the one to be at fault of his/her own demise.[/QUOTE] Not really. It's like when someone shoots someone with a gun. The bullet itself is capable of delivering a fatal blow, but it's the residual effects like bleeding that normally cause death. It's like saying that the person should get off the hook for murder because the bullet didn't kill them on impact and they died a while later from a severed artery. Basically, circumstances surrounding the death need to be taken into account. [quote]I fail to see why any action would be "suicide-appropriate". Since when has there been a point where it becomes socially acceptable to end yourself? The thought of suicide as a viable escape is a mental issue in it's own and this kid should have been in counselling, not stuck to the pavement.[/quote] You failed to see the point. Suicide isn't the best way to do things, but to people who are going through the suffering, it seems like a reasonable way out. This lies on the fact that unless you're put in the situation, it's easy to sit on the sidelines and say, "Yeah he was probably a coward." I know if I was suffering, either physical or emotional, and I couldn't take it anymore, I would probably end up killing myself, so would you, so would anyone.
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;34799568]I fail to see why any action would be "suicide-appropriate". Since when has there been a point where it becomes socially acceptable to end yourself? The thought of suicide as a viable escape is a mental issue in it's own and this kid should have been in counselling, not stuck to the pavement.[/QUOTE] Ha, someone's revealed their privilege. Because South Korea has phenomenal mental health facilities, right?
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;34799578]Not really. It's like when someone shoots someone with a gun. The bullet itself is capable of delivering a fatal blow, but it's the residual effects like bleeding that normally cause death. It's like saying that the person should get off the hook for murder because the bullet didn't kill them on impact and they died a while later from a severed artery. Basically, circumstances surrounding the death need to be taken into account.[/QUOTE] Shooting a gun leaves the intention of death in the hands of the shooter. The bullies in no way forced the kid's choice to bite tarmac. [editline]20th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=devotchkade;34799586]Ha, someone's revealed their privilege. Because South Korea has phenomenal mental health facilities, right?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index[/url] yes, actually.
[quote]Shooting a gun leaves the intention of death in the hands of the shooter. The bullies in no way forced the kid's choice to bite tarmac.[/quote] They tormented the kid with intentions of causing severe mental breakdown and submission to them. Tell me how that isn't an underlying fact in someones death.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;34799627]They tormented the kid with intentions of causing severe mental breakdown and submission to them. Tell me how that isn't an underlying fact in someones death.[/QUOTE] A bullet fired from a gun is an overlying fact. Your comparison is in no way accurate.
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;34799603] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index[/url] yes, actually.[/QUOTE] What? No. From the second paragraph of that very link: [quote]The Human Development Index (HDI) is a comparative measure of life expectancy, literacy, education and standards of living for countries worldwide. It is a standard means of measuring well-being, especially child welfare. It is used to distinguish whether the country is a developed, a developing or an under-developed country, and also to measure the impact of economic policies on quality of life.[/quote] Even though mental health facilities are a part of that, it is not even close to saying what you seem to think it's saying. A high Human Development Index rank does not at all mean that mental health issues are not stigmatized in the country in question, and that appropriate mental health assistance can be given.
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;34799401]A permanent solution to a temporary problem.[/QUOTE] Can I just take a moment to say this is a stupid, stupid phrase all problems are ultimately temporary because we have a limited lifespan there are [I]plenty[/I] of people who kill themselves because of permanent problems
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;34799634]A bullet fired from a gun is an overlying fact. Your comparison is in no way accurate.[/QUOTE] Explain how it isn't. The shooter is making a conscious decision to attempt to harm another person. Whether he uses a gun, a rock, etc. He is still intending to cause harm. Same thing goes for these kids. They intended to emotionally damage someone. Why should only physical damage be taken into account on things? Mental damage is shown to be worse. Physical wounds can heal. Mental wounds are much harder to. And to the one who mentioned about starvation and whatnot as being a reasonable cause to kill yourself, starvation is very painful. So is mental instability. Actually, starvation deeply affects the mental welfare of someone, thus could be a determining factor in whether or not someone shoots themselves. To sum things up: You'll always have ignorant people who assume it's easier to get help than to just end it all. These are people who have probably not suffered a day in their lives.
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