• Police shoot unarmed man looking for cigarette in car parked in his own driveway seventeen times
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[IMG]http://cmsimg.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=DP&Date=20130729&Category=NEWS11&ArtNo=130729006&Ref=V2&MaxW=300&Border=0&Mother-of-man-shot-in-his-front-yard-speaks-out[/IMG] [QUOTE]Deputies Jeremiah Meeks and Matthew White responded to a 911 call on Saturday of a possible burglary and found Roy Middleton, 60, rummaging through a car in the 200 block of Shadow Lawn Lane in Warrington, Morgan said. Middleton was searching for a loose cigarette in his mother’s car. [...] During an afternoon press conference, Morgan played the 911 call made by a neighbor along with the corresponding radio traffic from officers on the scene. Middleton has said he was in his mother's car, searching for a cigarette. When he backed out of the vehicle, he had his car keys in his hand with a metal flashlight attached, he told his mother. The deputies opened fire. [...] “I’m not mad, but more disappointed in the system and in the training,” Frank Middleton said, adding that his own son is a member of the Pensacola Police Department. “They need training.” However, she said she is thankful. The outcome of that morning could have been much worse for the married father of two. “He could’ve been killed. The Lord shielded him,” she said.[/QUOTE] [URL=http://www.pnj.com/article/20130729/NEWS11/130729006/Mother-of-man-shot-in-his-front-yard-speaks-out?nclick_check=1]Pensacola News Journal[/URL]
What the fuck.
He sure took it pretty well.
Nice title. He wasn't shot seventeen times, he was hit once in the leg. Not that it makes this any less tragic, but saying he was shot seventeen times is very different than being hit in the leg once. Based on the press conference and what the people interviewed in the article were saying, seems like this was due to a lack of training.
I'm confused as to why they would 1) shoot and 2) shoot 17 times. Did no one ask him what he was doing? Do those cops go around shooting people without asking any questions often? edit: apparently, it wasn't 17 times. Still...
The lesson learnt here: Smoking can kill you.
[QUOTE=Olas;41651977]Nice title. He wasn't shot seventeen times, he was hit once in the leg. Not that it makes this any less tragic, but saying he was shot seventeen times is very different than being hit in the leg once. Based on the press conference and what the people interviewed in the article were saying, seems like this was due to a lack of training.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Ceola Walker, 77, with her daughter Cheryl Myles, look over the car door where bullets went through the door and where her son, Roy Middleton, was shot. [B]Over 17 shell casings were found[/B] in the carport of her home in Warrington. There are more than several bullet holes found all over the car.[/QUOTE] He wasn't shot seventeen times but he was shot [I]at[/I] seventeen times.
[QUOTE=Olas;41651977]Nice title. He wasn't shot seventeen times, he was hit once in the leg. Not that it makes this any less tragic, but saying he was shot seventeen times is very different than being hit in the leg once. Based on the press conference and what the people interviewed in the article were saying, seems like this was due to a lack of training.[/QUOTE] Sorry! I originally typed 'shot at' but then changed it to the active voice. Still, though, every single one of those bullets was meant to reach him, so the only real difference is his medical condition.
17 shots and only 1 hit. If he was actually armed and wanted to shoot those cops, it's possible we'd have two dead cops and a shooter with a sore leg right now. "They need training" is the understatement of the year.
The way I see it, this is incredibly embarrassing on two different levels. Number 1: The fact that these officers shot/shot at an unarmed civilian indicates a gross lack of training. Truly embarrassing. Number 2: The fact the these officers fired their weapons a total of 17 times and only managed to hit him ONCE? MY GOD.
[QUOTE=skylortrexle;41651982]I'm confused as to why they would 1) shoot and 2) shoot 17 times. [/QUOTE] It is very common for police to accidentally mistake an object (any object) in someone's hand for a weapon. These guys put their lives on the line every day, when they confront someone who they believe to be a criminal and then see something raised at them it's understandable that with the stress of the moment they would mistake it for a weapon and fire. As for firing seventeen times, you don't shoot once and then check to see if they're still trying to kill you. You shoot to end the threat. Two or three officers could dump seventeen rounds in just a second or two of panic fire.
[QUOTE=catbarf;41652205]It is very common for police to accidentally mistake an object (any object) in someone's hand for a weapon. These guys put their lives on the line every day, when they confront someone who they believe to be a criminal and then see something raised at them it's understandable that with the stress of the moment they would mistake it for a weapon and fire. As for firing seventeen times, you don't shoot once and then check to see if they're still trying to kill you. You shoot to end the threat. Two or three officers could dump seventeen rounds in just a second or two of panic fire.[/QUOTE] what happened here doesn't sound like effective police training.
"lol it took 17 of you to kill me"
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41652261]what happened here doesn't sound like effective police training.[/QUOTE] Not only did they fail to properly identify a threat, but they completely failed in their marksmanship. Many policemen are held to low standards and are borderline-incompetent with their own weapons. It's a situation that some people are trying to change but doesn't look like it'll go away anytime soon.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41652085]17 shots and only 1 hit. If he was actually armed and wanted to shoot those cops, it's possible we'd have two dead cops and a shooter with a sore leg right now. "They need training" is the understatement of the year.[/QUOTE] I bet they looked something like this. [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27247686/firefight.gif[/img]
:eng101: This is an accuracy rating of roughly six percent, meaning that these officers are terrible at their jobs on all levels. Thank God too, otherwise that man might have died.
[quote]“He could’ve been killed. The Lord shielded him,” she said.[/quote] Blessing of Impenetrable Defence: +90% dodge chance
Oh the irony, the lack of training both endangered and saved his life
Stormtroopers.
[QUOTE=catbarf;41652205]It is very common for police to accidentally mistake an object (any object) in someone's hand for a weapon. These guys put their lives on the line every day, when they confront someone who they believe to be a criminal and then see something raised at them it's understandable that with the stress of the moment they would mistake it for a weapon and fire. As for firing seventeen times, you don't shoot once and then check to see if they're still trying to kill you. You shoot to end the threat. Two or three officers could dump seventeen rounds in just a second or two of panic fire.[/QUOTE] No idea why this is being rated dumb. I am not defending the officers' clear incompetence, but this same shit happens [url=http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/05/officer_who_mistakenly_shot_ho.html]all[/url] [URL="http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/09/police-denver-area-officer-mistakenly-shot-killed-by-fellow-officer/"]the[/URL] [URL="http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/22/17058326-8-lapd-officers-involved-in-shooting-after-dorner-case-of-mistaken-identity?lite"]time[/URL] and there are well-documented reasons for it.
There's no reason for shooting someone who is unarmed/not posing a threat/is mistaken for the suspect.
[QUOTE=Olas;41651977]Nice title. He wasn't shot seventeen times, he was hit once in the leg. Not that it makes this any less tragic, but saying he was shot seventeen times is very different than being hit in the leg once. Based on the press conference and what the people interviewed in the article were saying, seems like this was due to a lack of training.[/QUOTE] Still, he could have been hit from 16 other bullets.
[QUOTE=catbarf;41652605]No idea why this is being rated dumb. I am not defending the officers' clear incompetence, but this same shit happens [url=http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/05/officer_who_mistakenly_shot_ho.html]all[/url] [URL="http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/09/police-denver-area-officer-mistakenly-shot-killed-by-fellow-officer/"]the[/URL] [URL="http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/22/17058326-8-lapd-officers-involved-in-shooting-after-dorner-case-of-mistaken-identity?lite"]time[/URL] and there are well-documented reasons for it.[/QUOTE] So if say, I'm walking by a cop or a cop is in the vicinity and I go to pull my wallet out of my pocket because I think I may have left a debit card or whatever behind and he sees this and goes "OH SHIT HE'S REACHING INTO HIS POCKET IT MUST BE A GUN!!!" that makes it a-ok for him to shoot me without a second thought without even verifying that I have a weapon? I mean, I'm not expert or anything but shouldn't a cop have to verify that a suspect is carrying a weapon before applying lethal force? There are obviously exceptions, but still.
Amazing. He's shot by a policeman without even being armed but yet doesn't walk off spewing hate speech or go off implying racism was the motivation behind the attack. Such a mild response to such an extreme situation, especially because of the fact that he's going to have to have metal insertions due to skeletal damage. [QUOTE=catbarf;41652605]No idea why this is being rated dumb. I am not defending the officers' clear incompetence, but this same shit happens [url=http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/05/officer_who_mistakenly_shot_ho.html]all[/url] [URL="http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/09/police-denver-area-officer-mistakenly-shot-killed-by-fellow-officer/"]the[/URL] [URL="http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/22/17058326-8-lapd-officers-involved-in-shooting-after-dorner-case-of-mistaken-identity?lite"]time[/URL] and there are well-documented reasons for it.[/QUOTE] I agree with you. The lack of training also implies that their ability to identify a threat is pretty bad. People only rate you dumb because they disagree with you but don't feel like taking the time to write out why. :v:
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;41652822]So if say, I'm walking by a cop or a cop is in the vicinity and I go to pull my wallet out of my pocket because I think I may have left a debit card or whatever behind and he sees this and goes "OH SHIT HE'S REACHING INTO HIS POCKET IT MUST BE A GUN!!!" that makes it a-ok for him to shoot me without a second thought without even verifying that I have a weapon?[/QUOTE] Of course it fucking isn't. The officers here screwed up. Read what I wrote: [quote]I am not defending the officers' clear incompetence[/quote] But the scenario you described [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo_shooting]has actually happened[/url] and there are reasons for why this kind of thing happens over and over again. Police accidentally shooting unarmed people is not a freak occurrence, so maybe it's worth understanding [i]why[/i] it happens and what could lead an otherwise reasonable, rational person to accidentally kill an innocent?
[quote]Deputies Jeremiah Meeks and Matthew White responded to a 911 call on Saturday of a possible burglary and found Roy Middleton, 60, [B]rummaging through a car in the 200 block of Shadow Lawn Lane in Warrington[/B], Morgan said. Middleton was searching for a loose cigarette in his mother’s car. Morgan said the deputies reported that, after they'd made multiple commands to Middleton to show his hands,[B] he eventually lunged out of the car and spun toward them[/B], causing them to "fear for their safety." he had his car keys in his hand [B]with a metal flashlight attached,[/B] he told his mother. The deputies opened fire. [/quote] In other words, the man was looking for a cigarette at a very bad time on accident. The deputies shot as he spun around mistaking the flashlight for a weapon in the heat of the moment and, as always [quote]The incident is being investigated by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the deputies involved have been placed on paid administrative leave, as is standard in deputy-involved shootings.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Bradyns;41652000]The lesson learnt here: Smoking can kill you.[/QUOTE] "How did he die?" "Smoking." "Oh... Lung cancer?" "No. He was picking up a cigarette and an officer shot him."
[QUOTE=AreNell;41652274]"lol it took 17 of you to kill me"[/QUOTE] "1v1 me noob"
[QUOTE=catbarf;41652205]It is very common for police to accidentally mistake an object (any object) in someone's hand for a weapon. These guys put their lives on the line every day, when they confront someone who they believe to be a criminal and then see something raised at them it's understandable that with the stress of the moment they would mistake it for a weapon and fire. As for firing seventeen times, you don't shoot once and then check to see if they're still trying to kill you. You shoot to end the threat. Two or three officers could dump seventeen rounds in just a second or two of panic fire.[/QUOTE] why are you so dead set on defending authority in virtually every thread? two cops shoot an innocent man 17 times (hitting him only once lmfao, but most likely intending to kill) for having keys in his hands and you hop in to act like they did nothing wrong and everyone else is an idiot for objecting to the incident.
[QUOTE=skylortrexle;41651982]I'm confused as to why they would 1) shoot and 2) shoot 17 times. Did no one ask him what he was doing? Do those cops go around shooting people without asking any questions often? edit: apparently, it wasn't 17 times. Still...[/QUOTE] Well you get a call, someone's breaking into a car. You roll up and see the guy in the act stop what he's doing and a metal object in his hand. And it's night time. So it's understandable if the officers pulled their guns and told him to drop it or whatever, but to open fire instantly instead? Not only will both these officers probably either be fired or suspended without pay, but their FTO's are probably going to get punished, too
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