• Police shoot unarmed man looking for cigarette in car parked in his own driveway seventeen times
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[QUOTE=Kopimi;41654744]why are you so dead set on defending authority in virtually every thread? two cops shoot an innocent man 17 times (hitting him only once lmfao, but most likely intending to kill) for having keys in his hands and you hop in to act like they did nothing wrong and everyone else is an idiot for objecting to the incident.[/QUOTE] If you actually read the rest of the thread instead of just making baseless accusations you'd find catbarf wasn't attempting to defend them, but offered an explanation to their blunder and told of why 17 shots were fired. He also posted sources for other articles depicting where similar instances occurred. But if you want to just yell incoherently about authoritarianism and catbarf then be my guest.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41652982]police are trained to shoot until the perp is completely harmless and they barely get any time on the range, unless they do after work also panic makes aim shitty[/QUOTE] Nashville PD officers have to go to the Gun Range and qualify every 6 months. And it isn't as easy as just shooting a target a few times. They make them do all sorts of stuff. They'll put a fake plastic round randomly in their magazines to simulate a failure to fire/feed, make them draw from a holster AFTER targets turn towards them, fire a certain number of shots before the target quickly turns away again, and they shoot until their fingers bleed. They go through far more shooting training in a few years than most people will get in the Army. If you don't qualify, you enjoy a desk, basically. When police shoot they shoot to kill. It's why I think these officers legitimately mistook what he had in his hand for a gun, because accuracy is non-existent in any gun fight no matter who you are, and 1 out of 17 shots is about par for the course in small panicky shootouts. The whole incident is probably just a big ass mistake and there may not be anything better that anyone could have done, it being night time, but damn if someone's not going down for it
He looks like [url=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090801184819/half-life/en/images/8/8d/Male03.jpg]Male 03[/url] from HL2 what the fuck
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;41652501]Blessing of Impenetrable Defence: +90% dodge chance[/QUOTE] +*94.1% (experimental probability rounded to the tenths place)
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41652982]police are trained to shoot until the perp is completely harmless and they barely get any time on the range, unless they do after work also panic makes aim shitty[/QUOTE] Cops around here get 100 rounds a month to go to the range (paid) to "train"
I don't know why, but this comes to mind. [video=youtube;N3SHNjsajzs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3SHNjsajzs[/video]
i think if cops aren't 100% sure it's a weapon they shouldn't be allowed to shoot. i'd rather have a dead cop than a dead innocent
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41655018]i think if cops aren't 100% sure it's a weapon they shouldn't be allowed to shoot. i'd rather have a dead cop than a dead innocent[/QUOTE] a dead cop is still a dead innocent
[QUOTE=areolop;41655020]a dead cop is still a dead innocent[/QUOTE] Not entirely since by swearing to uphold the law they accept the fact that they will do so at personal risk to their own safety. A civilian has taken no such oath.
[QUOTE=areolop;41655020]a dead cop is still a dead innocent[/QUOTE] yeah but it's a dead innocent who choose to put themselves in the line of fire as opposed to a dead innocent the cop is meant to protect
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41654744]and you hop in to act like they did nothing wrong and everyone else is an idiot[/QUOTE] Not everyone, just people who go for knee-jerk reactions instead of reading: [QUOTE=catbarf;41652605]I am not defending the officers' clear incompetence[/QUOTE] Skylortrexle was confused as to how this could have happened, I gave him the simple answer, which is that the officers (who are in a job that gives them good reason to be panicky) could mistake almost any object for a gun and as tragic as it is this kind of thing is [I]not uncommon[/I] (see links).
[QUOTE=catbarf;41655101]Not everyone, just people who go for knee-jerk reactions instead of reading: Skylortrexle was confused as to how this could have happened, I gave him the simple answer, which is that the officers (who are in a job that gives them good reason to be panicky) could mistake almost any object for a gun and as tragic as it is this kind of thing is [I]not uncommon[/I] (see links).[/QUOTE] They aren't supposed to be panicky. They are supposed to keep a level head as opposed to shoot first and ask a corpse questions later.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;41655179]They aren't supposed to be panicky. They are supposed to keep a level head as opposed to shoot first and ask a corpse questions later.[/QUOTE] He isn't defending them, and I think we all agree these cops were a little too inexperienced for an actual call. Also would you rather shoot when someone flings around a shiny pistol-sized object or wait until he has it aimed at you to confirm it's a gun?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41655018]i think if cops aren't 100% sure it's a weapon they shouldn't be allowed to shoot. i'd rather have a dead cop than a dead innocent[/QUOTE] are the lives of the police officers worth less than that of a random bystander? everyone's life is equal.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;41655231]are the lives of the police officers worth less than that of a random bystander? everyone's life is equal.[/QUOTE] the police officer chooses to put themselves in harms way to defend others, they should be willingly to die before accidentally killing an innocent
[QUOTE=snapshot32;41655206]He isn't defending them, and I think we all agree these cops were a little too inexperienced for an actual call. Also would you rather shoot when someone flings around a shiny pistol-sized object or wait until he has it aimed at you to confirm it's a gun?[/QUOTE] I'd rather like to be able walk around without having to worry that getting something out of my pocket or whatever is gonna get me riddled bullets. Maybe it's my Canadian sensibilities but having cops shoot people carrying everyday random shit before even trying to identify it doesn't sit well with me no matter which way you toss it.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;41655259]I'd rather like to be able walk around without having to worry that getting something out of my pocket or whatever is gonna get me riddled bullets. Maybe it's my Canadian sensibilities but having cops shoot people carrying everyday random shit before even trying to identify it doesn't sit well with me no matter which way you toss it.[/QUOTE] Again, I'm not defending them, but when you are inexperienced, you tend to make bad calls. A better trained cop would have his weapon or tazer drawn and would have told the man to slowly back out of the vehicle, as to not spark any sudden movements. This problem could have been solved with some training, but it is understandable that it could occur.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;41655231]are the lives of the police officers worth less than that of a random bystander? everyone's life is equal.[/QUOTE] obv their lives are equal but why do people excuse police killing/injuring regular civilians based solely on the premise that they're a police officer and "its their job"?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41655350]obv their lives are equal but why do people excuse police killing/injuring regular civilians based solely on the premise that they're a police officer and "its their job"?[/QUOTE] Perhaps because the subject in question presented himself as a hostile entity intending on doing bodily harm to the officer. So, Kopimi, if a police officer can't defend from an assault, who can? A Super Pooleeceman perhaps?
[QUOTE=snapshot32;41655368]Perhaps because the subject in question presented himself as a hostile entity intending on doing bodily harm to the officer. So, Kopimi, if a police officer can't defend from an assault, who can? A Super Pooleeceman perhaps?[/QUOTE] a guy was getting cigarettes out of his mums car and turned around with a torch in his had. the only people intent on doing bodily harm were the trigger happy deputies. i'm all in favour of cops defending themselves from assault when you know, they're actually getting assaulted
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41652085]17 shots and only 1 hit. If he was actually armed and wanted to shoot those cops, it's possible we'd have two dead cops and a shooter with a sore leg right now. "They need training" is the understatement of the year.[/QUOTE] more like "They need to be fired, permanently"
[QUOTE=areolop;41655020]a dead cop is still a dead innocent[/QUOTE] I'd rather have a man who is willing to put his life on the line to die than one that isn't.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;41655622]I'd rather have a man who is willing to put his life on the line to die than one that isn't.[/QUOTE] especially when it's the one who is killing the one who isn't (and is also innocent obviously)
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41655646]especially when it's the one who is killing the one who isn't (and is also innocent obviously)[/QUOTE] Well how would he die if the other person is innocent? Unless I'm reading your post wrong, what you're saying sounds like a paradox :v:
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;41655658]Well how would he die if the other person is innocent? Unless I'm reading your post wrong, what you're saying sounds like a paradox :v:[/QUOTE] i wrote that in a retarded way, i meant especially when it's the cop (who is willing to put his life on the line) killing the person who isn't willing to put their life on the line, and i put the innocent part in cause i figure not many criminals are willing to put their lives on the line but they still get shot
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;41654852]He looks like [url=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090801184819/half-life/en/images/8/8d/Male03.jpg]Male 03[/url] from HL2 what the fuck[/QUOTE] Maybe half life is REAL LIFE ? The police are combine and the citizens are servants.
Reminds me of something that happened [URL="http://www.ottawasun.com/news/canada/2009/08/15/10471126-sun.html"]here a while back[/URL].
[QUOTE=snapshot32;41655368][B]Perhaps because the subject in question presented himself as a hostile entity intending on doing bodily harm to the officer[/B]. So, Kopimi, if a police officer can't defend from an assault, who can? A Super Pooleeceman perhaps?[/QUOTE] according to the two dipshit officers that shot him 17 times lol
Wow, gross incompetence is why he was shot, AND why he survived! I have an idea to solve the trigger-happy cop problem. How about we take their guns away, and lock them in a box in the cruiser that can only be opened with radioed approval from dispatch? Get on the radio and give a good reason why you need lethal force, or make due with a taser and a baton like a real cop. While we're at it, how about we get the police academy to teach something other than "Shoot first, shoot later, shoot some more, then when everyone's dead write 'resisting arrest' in your report."
So not only did they shoot an innocent man..they only hit him once and sprayed 16 random rounds into nowhere, putting everyone around them in danger. Awesome police procedure.
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