• Trump prepares to lift limits on military gear for police
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I don't really have an opinion on this ban, I don't see how it makes much of a difference. What makes this much more sinister is the entire context of Trump wanting to arm police - that's not cool, at all.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52625573]I don't really have an opinion on this ban, I don't see how it makes much of a difference. [B]What makes this much more sinister is the entire context of Trump wanting to arm police[/B] - that's not cool, at all.[/QUOTE] US police are [I]all[/I] already armed.
[QUOTE=phygon;52625581]US police are [I]all[/I] already armed.[/QUOTE] I didn't mean to imply that... gear up, militarize, arm up? [editline]29th August 2017[/editline] As you say, they're already armed, and as people in this thread say they already have access to a lot of weaponry that could easily be considered military grade stuff.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52625675]I didn't mean to imply that... gear up, militarize, arm up? [editline]29th August 2017[/editline] As you say, they're already armed, and as people in this thread say they already have access to a lot of weaponry that could easily be considered military grade stuff.[/QUOTE] Patrol rifles, level 3+ vests, armored patrol vehicles, optics, tourniquets...yep. but it's not like everyone already has access to these things
[QUOTE=Code3Response;52625724]Patrol rifles, level 3+ vests, armored patrol vehicles, optics, tourniquets...yep. but it's not like everyone already has access to these things[/QUOTE] Right. Like I said, it's the context of Trump lifting this ban for no relevant reason that I don't like.
Policing by consent is just one of those new-fangled lib-cuck pie in the sky european ideas I guess. Why ask when you can demand at gun point? It's what the bad guys do, why shouldn't the police, why should the state be held to a higher standard than thuggish muggers and lowlifes. In the UK we learnt our lesson from Peterloo, we used military grade equipment and tactics against our own people. How long till the US has their own Peterloo? Instead of swords, horses and muskets it'll be automatic rifles and armoured vehicles. Maybe it'll be another Tulsa though, and the American people will just bend over, take it, say thank you and then pretend it never happened.
[QUOTE=David29;52621661]Except, that's not an unrealistic thing for him to say. Remember that his idea of dealing with terrorists was to target their families.[/QUOTE] Except this time wouldn't be terrorists, but protesters.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52624367]I'm in the category of people who otherwise wouldn't care about this if it weren't for the fact that its backed by President Trump and AG Sessions. Not really.[/QUOTE] Yeah it actually is, armored vehicles are used for protection, grenades launchers for tear gas (which they already have) and semi auto rifles (again, which they already have). Please tell me how this is "militarizing" the police.
If the citizens can own military items, why can't the police? Match fire with fire. However, lifting this simply because Obama didn't is fucking retarded. Goes to show Trump doesn't actually care.
.50 cal firepower would actually be very useful to Police, not for lethality, but to disable vehicles and equipment.
[QUOTE=Episode;52628148]If the citizens can own military items, why can't the police? Match fire with fire. However, lifting this simply because Obama didn't is fucking retarded. Goes to show Trump doesn't actually care.[/QUOTE] I hate trump as much as the next guy, but I don't think this should have been banned to begin with.
[QUOTE=Apache249;52628235]I hate trump as much as the next guy, but I don't think this should have been banned to begin with.[/QUOTE] Same and to me it's nice to see this getting reversed however it's getting reversed simply because it's something Obama put into place.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52625930]Policing by consent is just one of those new-fangled lib-cuck pie in the sky european ideas I guess. Why ask when you can demand at gun point? It's what the bad guys do, why shouldn't the police, why should the state be held to a higher standard than thuggish muggers and lowlifes. In the UK we learnt our lesson from Peterloo, we used military grade equipment and tactics against our own people. How long till the US has their own Peterloo? Instead of swords, horses and muskets it'll be automatic rifles and armoured vehicles. Maybe it'll be another Tulsa though, and the American people will just bend over, take it, say thank you and then pretend it never happened.[/QUOTE] Man you are hilarious. You're acting like there is zero middle ground between a stern warning and martial law. I'd rather have police that firmly uphold law and order than police that run away because someone has a hammer and they aren't sure what to do. You don't even live here yet you want police officers that are left high and dry in case of an emergency situation. We've had shootouts, hostage crisis's, and massacres go badly because the police are not equipped well enough to deal with them. And you want them to be even less equipped? You strip them of their weapons and how are they supposed to respond when the next big shootout or massacre happens? Who is going to respond?
Not sure if it was just a soundbite or not, but NPR mentioned police would have access to bayonets under this (casually mentioned it on a long list of items they could get) Is that actually true? For what possible purpose would police need bayonets?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52628630]Not sure if it was just a soundbite or not, but NPR mentioned police would have access to bayonets under this (casually mentioned it on a long list of items they could get) Is that actually true? For what possible purpose would police need bayonets?[/QUOTE] .... as a knife. They need it as a knife. It would be fear mongering to say that the police are going to show up with some kind of weapon and a bayonet afixed to the end of it. This isnt 1700's anymore, bayonets attached to rifles is worthless. Bullets are cheaper, have longer range, and more stopping power.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;52628638].... as a knife. They need it as a knife. It would be fear mongering to say that the police are going to show up with some kind of weapon and a bayonet afixed to the end of it. This isnt 1700's anymore, bayonets attached to rifles is worthless. Bullets are cheaper, have longer range, and more stopping power.[/QUOTE] Why do they need specifically a bayonet as a knife and not a regular knife that anyone would or could use? A bayonet is specifically designed to go on the end of a rifle, not to be used "as just a knife".
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52628680]Why do they need specifically a bayonet as a knife and not a regular knife that anyone would or could use? A bayonet is specifically designed to go on the end of a rifle, not to be used "as just a knife".[/QUOTE] Because why would you spend money when the government will give you a case of them for only shipping costs. That's great that they're designed to have the capability for it, but that doesn't mean it's their only purpose.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52621460]So, we give small arms to Police Departments that need them, give them the ability to request MRAPs for their SWAT teams, and possibly get rid of a few military UAVs for simple traffic monitoring purposes. What's the big deal? Do you guys seem to forget that we live in a country with 350 million firearms?[/QUOTE] The issue with arming police with military grade hardware is that allows more military grade hardware to 'change hands' into normal society and illegally swapped around until criminals get their hands on it i'm not going to like, try and act like this 100% happens, or act like I can prove it because I personally can't, I'm not that clever and I'm not good at sourcing a thing I say. I know someone out there is smarter than me and can do this for me... but is that chance worth risking? Do you really need [B]MILITARY GRADE HARDWARE[/B] for [U]civilian grade police units[/U]?
[QUOTE=J!NX;52628707]The issue with arming police with military grade hardware is that allows more military grade hardware to 'change hands' into normal society and illegally swapped around until criminals get their hands on it i'm not going to like, try and act like this 100% happens, or act like I can prove it because I personally can't, I'm not that clever and I'm not good at sourcing a thing I say. I know someone out there is smarter than me and can do this for me... but is that chance worth risking? Do you really need [B]MILITARY GRADE HARDWARE[/B] for [U]civilian grade police units[/U]?[/QUOTE] Tell me the difference between "[B]MILITARY GRADE HARDWARE[/B]​" and the regular stuff that police can and do already buy.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52628707]Do you really need [B]MILITARY GRADE HARDWARE[/B] for [U]civilian grade police units[/U]?[/QUOTE] The answer is a resounding yes. Because the public and criminals are well armed and also have access to military grade equipment. A real life example to counter your argument is the North Hollywood Shootout.
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