• Hungary brings up how same food brands are still shittier in Eastern Europe, EU still doesn't care
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[url]http://www.euractiv.com/section/health-consumers/news/lower-quality-of-same-food-brands-in-eastern-europe-raises-eyebrows/[/url] [quote]Big companies are selling better food in Austria than they sell in Hungary, even though the brands are supposed to be the same, the Hungarian government said yesterday (16 February). Hungary’s food safety authority, NEBIH, looked at 24 products sold in both Hungary and Austria by international retailers like Lidl and Aldi. It found, among other things, that the local version of Manner wafers was less crunchy and the domestic Nutella not as mellow as the Austrian counterpart. “I was dismayed upon reading this brief report,” Janos Lazar, Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s chief of staff, told a news conference. “I think this is the biggest scandal of the recent past.” Lazar said the government would begin a large-scale review of more products available in Hungary. He declined to say what specific action Budapest might take. Tests comparing the quality of foods sold in Western and Eastern Europe were carried out previously in 2011, commissioned by the Slovak Association of Consumers. It tested a selection of labelled food products purchased from supermarkets in eight EU member states: Germany, Austria, the Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria. Among the selected foodstuffs were beverages, chocolate, pepper and coffee. Those tests also confirmed that multinational companies typically vary the quality of the products that they ship to different European countries under the same brand. The only product that proved to be of identical quality across all the samples tested was Milka chocolate. The European Commission, however, responded to the findings by saying that the accusations were baseless, and stating that multinational companies were free to adapt their products to different markets.[/quote] "They were commies, they gotta be used to eating shit" Apparently imported German shampoo and laundry detergent is also much better (and even [i]cheaper[/i] on top of that), gonna try doing that.
They are baseless but they are still free to do it? So they are not really baseless. Great wording. I can understand the products being sold for less in other countries, meaning less profit. So that's why they would use cheaper/less quality ingredients. But still, it's the same product, so shouldn't it be the same? Maybe, just increase the price instead.
[QUOTE=RB33;51839714]They are baseless but they are still free to do it? So they are not really baseless. Great wording. I can understand the products being sold for less in other countries, meaning less profit. So that's why they would use cheaper/less quality ingredients. But still, it's the same product, so shouldn't it be the same? Maybe, just increase the price instead.[/QUOTE]Dunno about Hungary but here they are more expensive if anything. No idea about quality though.
if there are no violations on the food hazard guidelines then what's the point of complaining? it's very comming for the same food product to be slightly different across the border due to different preferences from different cultures. also the natural resources for the ingredients can differ due to location of production.
[QUOTE=Zeemlapje;51839740]if there are no violations on the food hazard guidelines then what's the point of complaining? it's very comming for the same food product to be slightly different across the border due to different preferences from different cultures. also the natural resources for the ingredients can differ due to location of production.[/QUOTE] [url=https://spectator.sme.sk/c/20461101/some-food-really-is-better-in-austria-study-finds.html]Here's further reading on the Slovak investigation where this gets brought up.[/url] [quote]However, Matečná says that the claim that consumers prefer various regional tastes no longer stands up to scrutiny. “Slovak consumers certainly do not expect artificial sweeteners and colouring, more preservatives or a lower share of meat than Austrians,” she added.[/quote]
As long as the price represents the quality then it's all fair game. People in Eastern Europe are poorer, hence making products of lower quality is reasonable so that people buy still buy them.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;51839753]As long as the price represents the quality then it's all fair game. People in Eastern Europe are poorer, hence making products of lower quality is reasonable so that people buy still buy them.[/QUOTE] You'd have a point if these products weren't priced the same or even higher than in the west.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;51839763]So how much is a jar of nutella over there? We pay 3,20 euro (including 12% VAT) for a 350 gram jar here.[/QUOTE] Last jar I saw on a shelf was 99czk, 3,70€ Decided to go with a shitty knockoff instead that cost half as much, probably got the same type of deal anyway :v:
I could've sworn that Oreos that I bought when I was in Denmark tasted a hundred times better than the ones I can buy over here. I think a lot of it might be because they're actually made in Poland when they're brought over here and I noticed that a lot of food products from Poland are kinda garbage.
obviously because ex-communist states dont matter what a load of shit [editline]18th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeemlapje;51839740]if there are no violations on the food hazard guidelines then what's the point of complaining? it's very comming for the same food product to be slightly different across the border due to different preferences from different cultures. also the natural resources for the ingredients can differ due to location of production.[/QUOTE] because its bullshit just because their country is located further in the east, and used to be communist doesn't mean their country should receive shit. [quote]it's very comming for the same food product to be slightly different across the border due to different preferences from different culture[/quote] so one culture shoudl have garbage because its a diffierent culture ok If its the same brand it should have the same quality regardless of location
[Quote=Nutella]Fuck you Hungary[/quote]
[QUOTE=simkas;51839813]I could've sworn that Oreos that I bought when I was in Denmark tasted a hundred times better than the ones I can buy over here. I think a lot of it might be because they're actually made in Poland when they're brought over here and I noticed that a lot of food products from Poland are kinda garbage.[/QUOTE] That's actually a really good point, Poland is infamous for exporting bad quality food. Like the time they managed to pass doped horse meat off as beef.
if it's true and this isn't just their president (excommie nepotist) trying to pull a smokescreen i suspect it might be due to price differences, would hungarians be ready to pay as much for food as a german? [QUOTE=Araknid;51839826] because its bullshit just because their country is located further in the east, and used to be communist doesn't mean their country should receive shit. so one culture shoudl have garbage because its a diffierent culture ok If its the same brand it should have the same quality regardless of location[/QUOTE] this isn't about cultures, it's either about the prices or just the quality of ingredients/production. Nutella has a factory in germany and one in Poland, it might be that the polish factory has a problem with product quality.
[QUOTE=Falchion;51839840]if it's true and this isn't just their president (excommie nepotist) trying to pull a smokescreen i suspect it might be due to price differences, would hungarians be ready to pay as much for food as a german?[/QUOTE] From when I was visiting there, brands that you get in other countries tend to be more expensive there than they are in Western European countries - there are exceptions but they are pretty few. So the price argument doesn't really seem to hold up, tbh.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;51839849]From when I was visiting there, brands that you get in other countries tend to be more expensive there than they are in Western European countries - there are exceptions but they are pretty few. So the price argument doesn't really seem to hold up, tbh.[/QUOTE] Though my "Nutella wants Hungary to fuck itself" theory has yet to be disproven
It's a tricky thing when you can't quantify "quality", and this practice isn't against regulations. It definitely feels unfair but to call it “the biggest scandal of the recent past.” seems like a very suspicious stretch.
It's cute how many of you think these products are actually cheaper to buy here.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;51839763]So how much is a jar of nutella over there? We pay 3,20 euro (including 12% VAT) for a 350 gram jar here.[/QUOTE] In Hungary the 350g jar costs 999HUF, or 3,24 euro. But ours have 27% VAT, so it is slightly cheaper considering that. Also here is the whole list about the findings of the NÉBIH: [QUOTE]In Austria: • the Nutella is creamier and softer • the Manner neapolitan wafers are more crunchy • youghurt and pudding are denser and taste better • Coca-Cola uses 0,6% less sugar and better quality flavourings • Nesquik has more cacao • Rio Mare canned tuna 2% more tuna • Knorr instant meat soup has 12% more stuff in the same bag • Knorr instant carbonara sauce has 3 types of cheese in it, while none in Hungary In Hungary: • Segafredo and Lavazza coffee tastes better[/QUOTE] While the differences are not striking, it shows that the problem does exist.
[QUOTE=simkas;51839813]I could've sworn that Oreos that I bought when I was in Denmark tasted a hundred times better than the ones I can buy over here. I think a lot of it might be because they're actually made in Poland when they're brought over here and I noticed that a lot of food products from Poland are kinda garbage.[/QUOTE] I think they're shit and sub-par compared to Lidl's knockoff ones.
[QUOTE=Talishmar;51839914]It's a tricky thing when you can't quantify "quality", and this practice isn't against regulations. It definitely feels unfair but to call it “the biggest scandal of the recent past.” seems like a very suspicious stretch.[/QUOTE] Exactly, it sucks and it shouldn't be like this but how exactly would you regulate this without causing more problems and needless bureocracy?
[QUOTE=Falchion;51839840]if it's true and this isn't just their president (excommie nepotist) trying to pull a smokescreen i suspect it might be due to price differences, would hungarians be ready to pay as much for food as a german? this isn't about cultures, it's either about the prices or just the quality of ingredients/production. Nutella has a factory in germany and one in Poland, it might be that the polish factory has a problem with product quality.[/QUOTE] it's 100% a smokescreen, every time there's news like this in our country it's usually to hide one or another form of government scandal so that the news are distracted [editline]18th February 2017[/editline] at this point turning the tv on is like watching some bizarre british parody of socialist governments
[QUOTE=Mmrnmhrm;51840137]Exactly, it sucks and it shouldn't be like this but how exactly would you regulate this without causing more problems and needless bureocracy?[/QUOTE] The best way would be a third-party watchdog investigating products and publishing quality and price differences online with a permissive license so newspapers and other media can use the material free of charge with the caveat that they don't alter or omit bits to suit a agenda.
[QUOTE=Drury;51839838]That's actually a really good point, Poland is infamous for exporting bad quality food. Like the time they managed to pass doped horse meat off as beef.[/QUOTE] It's the same food we get, mind. I bought a frozen lasagna once, I thought I was going to die. Being shafted with stuff like inferior laundry detergents is commonly known here, it's the reason import shops are still around even though one'd think they'd be gone with communism.
Generally, prices for everyday use supplies and items, including food, tends to be equal or up to 20% more expensive between West&East. Which still shafts the East hard - wages are approximately 2-3 times higher in the West. I remember there being an experiment someone ran many years ago regarding this. Some guy from Estonia here compared buying a month's worth of groceries from Estonia and then tried buying a nearly identical selection of groceries from Germany, plus two-way cheap plane tickets with RyanAir or something. He paid less in Germany. Of course, he bought a month's supply equivalent in one go in Germany, so it doesn't quite factor in the same way as he wouldn't have been flying to Germany for EVERY shopping trip. But it's still a mildly depressing thought. Further regarding this, I have a good friend currently in Sweden doing IT. He's about to move back to Estonia after the years spent there, continuing to work from home. This essentially means he's getting paid Swedish IT lead wages while paying Estonian bills. He's going to be living like a king compared to an average Estonian.
[QUOTE=Drury;51839838]That's actually a really good point, Poland is infamous for exporting bad quality food. Like the time they managed to pass doped horse meat off as beef.[/QUOTE] is not horse, is just very sporty cow, good price for you my friend On topic though its pretty weird because the stuff i buy in stores is high quality as expected, and as for lidl mostly made in germany
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