• USA wants to enforce US law's in Canada, Canadian's likely to oppose
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[QUOTE]OTTAWA -[B] The United States wants its police officers to be exempt from Canadian law if they agree to take part in a highly touted cross-border policing initiative, says an internal RCMP memo.[/B] The debate over whose laws would apply to U.S. officers working in Canada raises important questions of sovereignty and police accountability, says the briefing note prepared for RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson. [B]"Canadians would likely have serious concerns with cross-designated officers from the U.S. not being accountable for their actions in Canada."[/B] The planned pilot project — part of a sweeping Canada-U.S. perimeter security pact — would see the two countries build on joint border-policing efforts by creating integrated teams in areas such as intelligence and criminal investigations. The perimeter deal, being phased in over several years, aims to ensure the safe, speedy passage of goods and people across the 49th parallel while bolstering North American defences. The October 2012 RCMP memo was intended to brief Paulson for a meeting with David Moloney, a senior adviser to the Privy Council Office for implementing the vaunted perimeter security deal. A censored version of the classified document was recently obtained by The Canadian Press under the Access to Information Act. It notes that plans were underway for trial projects in the areas of policing and the preclearance of truck cargo, each involving U.S. officers working alongside Canadian counterparts. The cargo pilot project — which has since been announced — entails U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers working in Fort Erie, Ont., and Surrey, B.C., to pre-inspect southbound shipments according to American customs procedures. The so-called Next Generation policing project — whose pilots have yet to be finalized — would involve U.S. and Canadian officers working on each other's turf to enforce the host country's laws. [B]The RCMP memo says there are several reasons why it "remains appropriate" for host country laws and courts to continue holding sway, including: — the fact it is generally the right of sovereign states to have jurisdiction over unlawful acts in its territory; — the Canadian and U.S. justice systems are very similar when it comes to use of force by police; — the border pact was negotiated on the understanding that the countries' respective legal frameworks would apply. "Canadians place a high value on sovereignty and police accountability," the briefing note adds. A preliminary assessment indicates it "would not be feasible nor desirable to have two law enforcement officers working together being subjected to different regimes for accountability and criminal liability," the memo says.[/B] Read more: [url]http://www.vancouversun.com/news/world/wants+exemption+from+Canadian+crossborder+officers+RCMP+memo/8727574/story.html#ixzz2ac3ab5Nf[/url][/QUOTE]
The Host country law model makes the most sense and is the simplest to follow through with.
As a Canadian; The American authorities can go fuck themselves.
[QUOTE=Cureless;41658059]As a Canadian; The American authorities can go fuck themselves.[/QUOTE] As a German I just agree to that.
If Canada's response is anything other than "Go fuck yourselves", I'm going to be disappointed.
[QUOTE]Any new model must be fully reciprocal, providing Canadian police with the same protections in the United States as granted to U.S. law enforcement officials working in Canada, adds the [B]RCMP briefing note.[/B][/QUOTE] so does this mean the US didn't even suggest it would apply to both sides
[QUOTE=Cureless;41658059]As a Canadian; The American authorities can go fuck themselves.[/QUOTE] As an American, I can agree with this statement.
[QUOTE=Cureless;41658059]As a Canadian; The American authorities can go fuck themselves.[/QUOTE] As an American, I wholeheartedly agree. [editline]31st July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=bull04;41658507]As an American, I can agree with this statement.[/QUOTE] GET A LOAD OF THIS FUCKING GUY, NINJA'ING ME.
As someone who is living like 8km from the border I am interested in the result of this.
this is beyond fucked
The US will soon annex Canada. Fallout lore is coming true!
[url=http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Canada][img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m52eqjc6CL1rvz0v1o1_1280.png[/img][/url] Only a matter of time, pals.
Yeah only 60 years. If you ask me its an eventuality. Canada doesn't have a military strong enough to defend itself from Russia or China. And it sure as hell can't hold back the world's strongest military which it borders. If annexation doesn't come from the military it will come from politics. American politics and culture has so much sway in Canadian policy that we are pretty much another state. To put things into perspective, the state of California has a larger population than ALL of Canada. The only reason why it hasn't happened yet is because it isn't convenient. But you never know when that might change.
[img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110125062642/fallout/images/d/d8/Fo1_Intro_Canadian_Freedom_Fighter.png[/img] [I]Our dedicated boys keeping the peace in newly annexed Canada[/I]
fuck off US
If we invade Canada, it'll be for the oil.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;41659107]Yeah only 60 years. If you ask me its an eventuality. Canada doesn't have a military strong enough to defend itself from Russia or China. And it sure as hell can't hold back the world's strongest military which it borders. If annexation doesn't come from the military it will come from politics. American politics and culture has so much sway in Canadian policy that we are pretty much another state. To put things into perspective, the state of California has a larger population than ALL of Canada. The only reason why it hasn't happened yet is because it isn't convenient. But you never know when that might change.[/QUOTE] I just hope it can be delayed long enough to fix rectify the glaringly obvious issues that would make most Canadians extremely unhappy within the US. I do accept it as a very real possibility though, though I can only assume it will happen through mutual consent because no American president would be politically suicidal enough to declare a military annexation of Canada
No Democrat, perhaps, but I'm not so sure that if one of the more mentally-unstable parties gets a hold on the White House, that they wouldn't consider the option. Not saying that it WILL happen, but it might.
[QUOTE=Cureless;41658059]As a Canadian; The American authorities can go fuck themselves.[/QUOTE] As an Australian, I agree with this cunt.
I would like to point out the incorrect use of an apostrophe in the title. Should be "Canadians".
calm down canadians the cops are just there to steal your delicious maple syrup
[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;41659142]If we invade Canada, it'll be for the oil.[/QUOTE] No, it'll be for the water.
You have got to be kidding me. I know the U.S. has done some pretty nutty things but I didn't think they'd propose something like that. So, to sum things up quite simply... Fuck off, U.S.
America. Hey. [B]Fuck. Right. Off.[/B] We let the USA get away with all sorts of shit, especially with Harper in power, but this is our land. These are our laws. You have no jurisdiction here.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;41659353]No, it'll be for the water.[/QUOTE] No, It'll be for the syrup.
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If they're going to be operating in Canada, they need to follow Canadian laws. That said, you guys have heard of diplomatic immunity, right? It's actually pretty common for government employees to be immune to the laws of a host country to a certain degree, just not on this scale and in this case it would be entirely unjustified.
[QUOTE=catbarf;41659968]If they're going to be operating in Canada, they need to follow Canadian laws. That said, you guys have heard of diplomatic immunity, right? It's actually pretty common for government employees to be immune to the laws of a host country to a certain degree, just not on this scale and in this case it would be entirely unjustified.[/QUOTE] Yes, but definitely not when they're police. US laws don't apply here.
US trying to basically take over Canada? How about no. If our government is stupid enough to say yes to this. I cannot believe they'd ask.
[QUOTE]The United States wants its police officers to be exempt from Canadian law[/QUOTE] Oh get fucked. This just reeks of "our laws are better than your laws!" And nothing can go wrong when police officers are exempt from laws!
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