• Sex-changing treatment for kids on the rise
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SyvM1.png[/IMG] [release] A small but growing number of teens and even younger children who think they were born the wrong sex are getting support from parents and from doctors who give them sex-changing treatments, according to reports in the medical journal Pediatrics. It's an issue that raises ethical questions, and some experts urge caution in treating children with puberty-blocking drugs and hormones. An eight-year-old second-grader in Los Angeles is a typical patient. Born a girl, the child announced at 18 months, 'I a boy' and has stuck with that belief. The family was shocked but now refers to the child as a boy and is watching for the first signs of puberty to begin treatment, his mother told The Associated Press. Accepting his identity has been difficult for both parents, the woman said. Private schools refused to enroll him as a boy, and the family's pediatrician refused to go along with their request to treat him like a boy. They found a physician who would, Dr Jo Olson, medical director of a transgender clinic at Children's Hospital Los Angeles. Pediatricians need to know these kids exist and deserve treatment, said Dr Norman Spack, author of one of three reports published on Monday and director of one of the nation's first gender identity medical clinics, at Children's Hospital Boston. Gender-reassignment surgery, which may include removing or creating penises, is only done by a handful of US doctors, on patients at least 18 years old, Dr Spack said. His clinic has worked with local surgeons who've done breast removal surgery on girls at age 16, but that surgery can be relatively minor, or avoided, if puberty is halted in time, he said. [/release] [url]http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/TechandScience/Story/STIStory_768680.html[/url]
I believe that the choice to change sex should be legally made no sooner than 18 years old. This includes puberty blocking. A young child is not someone who has the mental capability to make these kinds of choices for themselves.
[QUOTE]which may include removing or creating penises[/QUOTE] I laughed heartily at this. On topic: what in the blue fuck makes children these days so convinced of their own maturity that they think they can make life-changing decisions like this?
How can you decide that you don't want your balls when they haven't had time to drop yet?
Yeah I don't think this should be a thing. Historically, Gender Identity Disorder in children expires as the child approaches adulthood.
[QUOTE=Sie-Sveinhund;34783068]I laughed heartily at this. On topic: what in the blue fuck makes children these days so convinced of their own maturity that they think they can make life-changing decisions like this?[/QUOTE] Because as a child you have no concept of how you'd think as an adult, obviously. It's not like an eight year old thinks "oh wait I better myself ten or so years to mull this over, I'm not that mature after all".
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34783055]I believe that the choice to change sex should be legally made no sooner than 18 years old. This includes puberty blocking. A young child is not someone who has the mental capability to make these kinds of choices for themselves.[/QUOTE] Though I agree with you that kids shouldn't take responsibly for more serious and permanent measures, allowing them access to puberty blocking drugs is fine for me. The effects of them are only temporary , and really allows the kid to have more time to experience life as their preferred gender, especially into the teen years. It can also help protect them against a lot of social rejection and mental stress. And to even be allowed to take the drugs, the kid has to go through a thorough psychoanalysis test by therapists with expertise in gender-identity, and the severity of the transgenderism has to be bad enough as to cause self-harm. These drugs can be life savers .
people think they're happy being transgender but in reality you're going to get bullied right through school and be depressed all the time.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34783055]I believe that the choice to change sex should be legally made no sooner than 18 years old. This includes puberty blocking. A young child is not someone who has the mental capability to make these kinds of choices for themselves.[/QUOTE] Doesn't the process need to start earlier than that for hormonal reasons?
talk about being judgmental. maybe you guys should read-up on something before ejaculating and defecating your opinions?
I think if you're born a certain gender then you should stick to it so you have a functional reproductive organ. Afterall that is the reason you are alive, to reproduce and advance the human race. If you can't reproduce then you're killing our species off.
[quote]An eight-year-old second-grader in Los Angeles is a typical patient. Born a girl, the child announced at 18 months, 'I a boy' and has stuck with that belief. The family was shocked but now refers to the child as a boy and is watching for the first signs of puberty to begin treatment, his mother told The Associated Press.[/quote] ok thats ridiculous. that family sounds stupid as hell. [quote] Los Angeles [/quote] there we go
There shouldn't be an arbitrary age limit on these things. Obvious mental maturity is a more ethical watershed.
[QUOTE=UseLets;34783280]I think if you're born a certain gender then you should stick to it so you have a functional reproductive organ. Afterall that is the reason you are alive, to reproduce and advance the human race. If you can't reproduce then you're killing our species off.[/QUOTE] humanity doesn't need everyone to reproduce anymore
[QUOTE=Pace.;34783269]Doesn't the process need to start earlier than that for hormonal reasons?[/QUOTE] My cousin is transgendered. She started the process towards becoming a woman sexually in her 30s. There need to be hormone treatments, but it doesn't have to happen before puberty.
[QUOTE=Goberfish;34783307]humanity doesn't need everyone to reproduce anymore[/QUOTE] Look at Japan, people stopped reproducing and their population is projected to be down by a third.
[QUOTE=UseLets;34783280]I think if you're born a certain gender then you should stick to it so you have a functional reproductive organ. Afterall that is the reason you are alive, to reproduce and advance the human race. If you can't reproduce then you're killing our species off.[/QUOTE] Judging on how you feel on TGism, you dislike gays for that very reason as well, as they aren't reproducing. But that's just an assumption. The world needs less people anyways, with a population of nearly 7 billion, a form of friendly population control sounds nice right about now. Less people, less demand, less resource consumption, more money all around.
[QUOTE=UseLets;34783327]Look at Japan, people stopped reproducing and their population is projected to be down by a third.[/QUOTE] for a completely different reason and it won't affect anything badly, considering the rise in life expectancy and infant mortality getting better
uh guys you realise they don't just hand out hormones to kids on a whim right? they have to go through counselling and shit to make sure they're legit and not just going through a weird phase [editline]20th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=UseLets;34783327]Look at Japan, people stopped reproducing and their population is projected to be down by a third.[/QUOTE] completely unfair comparison. japan's birthrate problems has nothing to do with LGBT people
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;34783355]uh guys you realise they don't just hand out hormones to kids on a whim right? they have to go through counselling and shit to make sure they're legit and not just going through a weird phase[/QUOTE] Can you tell if someone is legit or not before their brain and hormones have become fully matured? A lot of mental issues are solved simply by maturity.
I wish there were shemales my age when I was younger :C
Its contributing if this is on the rise though. You cannot deny this.
[QUOTE=UseLets;34783398]Its contributing if this is on the rise though. You cannot deny this.[/QUOTE] Who cares! The world needs less people anyways! It doesn't harm anyone, and if anything, it helps the economy and environment if everyone isn't having an orgy to reproduce.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34783371]Can you tell if someone is legit or not before their brain and hormones have become fully matured? A lot of mental issues are solved simply by maturity.[/QUOTE] gender identity develops fairly early in childhood.
[QUOTE=UseLets;34783398]Its contributing if this is on the rise though. You cannot deny this.[/QUOTE] This trend is rising in the USA, it has nothing to do with Japan. There are already people way more educated than you or I studying the factors that go into Japan's population shrinking, and I haven't heard them say transgenderism being any sort of factor. A man who is gendered as a woman isn't likely to reproduce whether they have a penis or artificial vagina. It really doesn't matter if they have their genitals re-organized. [editline]20th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;34783418]gender identity develops fairly early in childhood.[/QUOTE] But gender identity and sexual identity aren't generally solidified until fairly late in adolescence. It's actually fairly normal for children to be confused as far as gender and sexuality goes, and these things tend to fix themselves as the mind and body mature.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34783421]But gender identity and sexual identity aren't generally solidified until fairly late in adolescence. It's actually fairly normal for children to be confused as far as gender and sexuality goes, and these things tend to fix themselves as the mind and body mature.[/QUOTE] That's what the counselling is for.
The problem with the debate of "you're to young to make this choice" is a tricky one to make, because if you make up your mind that you want to be a different gender at a young age and are prohibited to do so until 18, it could screw with that kids mind and lead to depression, ect, until they get it at 18. Also it's harder and more lengthy to do it the older you are. When you are younger, you can heal faster and your body can take changes easier.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;34783441]That's what the counselling is for.[/QUOTE] How can counselling take the role of hormones and mental development?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34783055]I believe that the choice to change sex should be legally made no sooner than 18 years old. This includes puberty blocking. A young child is not someone who has the mental capability to make these kinds of choices for themselves.[/QUOTE] "Gender-reassignment surgery, which may include removing or creating penises, is only done by a handful of US doctors, [B]on patients at least 18 years old[/B]" The surgery already only goes on at 18 or at the earliest 16. However, the notion of whether one is male or female forms quite early on and as such hormonal treatments are allowed for people under 18. There's no problem with this.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34783276]talk about being judgmental. maybe you guys should read-up on something before ejaculating and defecating your opinions?[/QUOTE] what, seeing another person's opinion hurts you? People express their opinions all the time. I don't see how you should be surprised.
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