• Sex-changing treatment for kids on the rise
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[QUOTE=Laferio;34783485]what, seeing another person's opinion hurts you? People express their opinions all the time. I don't see how you should be surprised.[/QUOTE] what was the point of this post? i'm pretty sure i said people should read up before saying ignorant and stupid things. thanks for letting me know people express their opinions.
This is something someone can regret very quickly, I don't think it's the best idea to trust <18 year old children with this decision
[QUOTE=UseLets;34783263]people think they're happy being transgender but in reality you're going to get bullied right through school and be depressed all the time.[/QUOTE] Um. No. What are you saying.
they really need to wait until they're older to make these decisions it's not a switch, you can't just change back when you feel like it well you can, it's just gonna be a lot of time and money and you won't have your proper reproductive organs etc.
I don't really know how to feel about this. On one hand, I don't want children suffering from depression and other mental problems due to gender dysphoria. But on the other hand, I don't know if a child is necessarily mature or competent enough to make a decision that will radically affect him/her in a permanent way. It's kind of a touchy issue, and ideally the decision would be made on an individual basis
*plays music,but instead of a ending, people yell DUMBDUMBDUMBDUMB!*
Sex changes for kids isn't a good idea at all. Of all the children who think they would be better in the opposite gender, there is only an infinitely small portion that is actually mature enough to know what they want on the long run, and if they are mature enough to make this decision they surely are also mature enough to understand they should wait after their majority just to be sure it's what they want. Up to the end of puberty, children are developing mentally and physically, and most of the time there IS a stage where they just wish to be of the opposite gender, simply out of curiosity or because they think they would feel better if they had different genitalia, without being actually sure of it. There is also the fact that some kids are a bit more androgynous than others, which can create bullying (just like pretty much everything when you're at school), and bullying can have noticeable changes on one's mind - some people might think they actually are dumb because they are getting called one all the time, some might think they are actually gay because they are getting called one all the time, and some might think they are actually a girl or a man depending on your original gender because they are getting called that all the time. To exaggerate a bit, providing sex change therapy to any kid who thinks he might feel better as the opposite gender is like providing cyanide to any teen who wish his life would end right now.
I'd say 18 months is more than a little too soon for someone to make a decision like this. I think that children should be allowed to act whatever gender they feel, but no actual surgery until their mid-teens (and no removal/addition of organs until adulthood) so they are capable of understanding exactly how big of a deal their gender is.
I always cringe at the thought of sexual reassignment surgery. Cutting off what's essentially a limb :pwn:
I'm pretty sure there's at least one teen girl on the entire planet who once thought "I want a dick just so I can piss standing !" :v: [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling/Incredibly insensitive & degrading" - Megafan))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34783696] To exaggerate a bit, providing sex change therapy to a kid who thinks he might feel better as the opposite gender is like providing cyanide to any teen who wish his life would end right now.[/QUOTE] what a fucking disgusting insult.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;34783719]I always cringe at the thought of sexual reassignment surgery. Cutting off what's essentially a limb :pwn:[/QUOTE] Heh, it's done by professionals under anesthesia, it's not especially more cringe-worthy than any other operation (which for the majority of them requires some part of your body to be cut open).
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34783728]I'm pretty sure there's at least one teen girl on the entire planet who once thought "I want a dick just so I can piss standing !" :v:[/QUOTE] way to trivialize something which is extremely serious and painful for people.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34783730]what a fucking disgusting insult.[/QUOTE] ^ pro debater [editline]20th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;34783747]way to trivialize something which is extremely serious and painful for people.[/QUOTE] Can't take a joke too
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34783728]I'm pretty sure there's at least one teen girl on the entire planet who once thought "I want a dick just so I can piss standing !" :v:[/QUOTE] All joking aside: there probably are plenty of kids who would say that (albeit they'd use different terms). That's why I said: no actual organ alteration before age 18.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34783748]^ pro debater[/QUOTE] do i really want to debate with someone who thinks that comparing sex-change treatment to suicide is only exaggerating a bit? [QUOTE=Ganerumo;34783748]can't take a joke too[/QUOTE] instead of going for funny, you went for amazingly stupid. sorry but i don't like jokes like that.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;34783758]All joking aside: there probably are plenty of kids who would say that (albeit they'd use different terms). That's why I said: no actual organ alteration before age 18.[/QUOTE] Heh, I actually heard a lot of kids towards the end of elementary school/beginning of whatever comes after (can never remember the name) saying they would like to have breasts just so they could cup a feel anytime they wanted. [editline]20th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;34783761]sorry but i don't like jokes like that.[/QUOTE] Someone post that video of that comedian talking about people who are saying "I'm offended" all the time
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34783770] Someone post that video of that comedian talking about people who are saying "I'm offended" all the time[/QUOTE] "i'm offended" i imagine must be a reaction often towards your statements. that means the problem is you, not people.
[QUOTE=UseLets;34783280]I think if you're born a certain gender then you should stick to it so you have a functional reproductive organ. Afterall that is the reason you are alive, to reproduce and advance the human race. If you can't reproduce then you're killing our species off.[/QUOTE] We're over seven billion in this world, I think the human race can survive if some people don't have/can't have kids. Personally I feel it's quite sad to view reproduction as the sole meaning to life.
[QUOTE=melonmonkey;34783077]Yeah I don't think this should be a thing. Historically, Gender Identity Disorder in children expires as the child approaches adulthood.[/QUOTE] Having feminine traits as a young boy is just normal, I worked at a daycare center and there was a bunch of guys who was interested in like women clothing and such. Some guy even tried on high heels a couple of times and when I asked him why he said "I don't see the difference between my shoes and these shoes". Kids are too pure to understand the gender differences, therefore they are by nature insecure at young ages. (I used nailpolish from time to time until i turned 6 woo)
I knew Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network would cause this.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34783797]"i'm offended" i imagine must be a reaction often towards your statements. that means the problem is you, not people.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;cycXuYzmzNg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg[/video]
does gender identity really matter that much? i kind of have a difficult time imagining sex matters THAT much to people. i guess this implies a bit more than sex, but i can't believe gender plays such a big role to people. i mean i am a boy but if i were to become a GURL i really wouldn't care apart from having a yoohoo. i don't know the notion of caring about your gender just strikes me as a bit useless
[QUOTE=Moupi;34784297]does gender identity really matter that much? i kind of have a difficult time imagining sex matters THAT much to people. i guess this implies a bit more than sex, but i can't believe gender plays such a big role to people. i mean i am a boy but if i were to become a GURL i really wouldn't care apart from having a yoohoo. i don't know the notion of caring about your gender just strikes me as a bit useless[/QUOTE] identity is one of the most important things for a person. you might not care a lot about being a girl but that's because you don't really know that perspective. many transgender people feel a disconnect from what they see and what they feel like they are, which can manifest in depression and low self-esteem.
i guess it's fine to feel that way, but really to me it feels like a waste of time. put that way though, i see what you mean. still, it really doesn't feel that important to me; i don't think i really care about my identity, i've never really liked being open about who i am, so as a result i pretty much don't have a real personality. for people who feel a contrast about their personality and their body, it must be horrifying. at least, i think it works like that. i aint no psychologist
[QUOTE=Moupi;34784297]does gender identity really matter that much? i kind of have a difficult time imagining sex matters THAT much to people. i guess this implies a bit more than sex, but i can't believe gender plays such a big role to people. i mean i am a boy but if i were to become a GURL i really wouldn't care apart from having a yoohoo. i don't know the notion of caring about your gender just strikes me as a bit useless[/QUOTE] It's important because even at the physical level you can't feel alright if you're not in the right body. Someone explained it better than me on another thread but basically one of the aspects of Gender Idendity Disorder is that you brain works as one of the opposite gender would, which consequently prevents you from feeling good thanks to hormone and all that. There's a big psychological part but physically GID can also directly prevent you from being happy.
sex change should never be the first option. i have a family member whos going trough with his/her sex change, but i completely lost my respect for his/her decision as soon as i heard he/she refused to have a 1 on 1 talk about sex change with a person who i know and has gone trough exactly the same thing and now looks back on it wondering WHY she made that decision. because the hormonal therapy & all just messed up her body, she has lots of food intolerances and has a strict diet because of this. thats just the tip ofthe iceberg Also, the said family member still has the behaviour of a teenage girl even though he/she is the same age as me, no job no further education. Restoring a broken mind is easier than restoring a broken body, thats why sex change should always be the last resort.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34783696] To exaggerate a bit, providing sex change therapy to any kid who thinks he might feel better as the opposite gender is like providing cyanide to any teen who wish his life would end right now.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Boxbot219/12213037534Q0v1v.jpg[/IMG] CONGRATULATIONS! You have made the dumbest analogy in 2012 on facepunch! You win a box. Seriously though don't post again.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34784313] many transgender people feel a disconnect from what they see and what they feel like they are, which can manifest in depression and low self-esteem.[/QUOTE] the issue there seems to be that gender is linked to sex in society I wonder if trans* surgery would be particularly frequent there was a proper distinction between the two [editline]20th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeemlapje;34784437]sex change should never be the first option. i have a family member whos going trough with his/her sex change, but i completely lost my respect for his/her decision as soon as i heard he/she refused to have a 1 on 1 talk about sex change with a person who i know and has gone trough exactly the same thing and now looks back on it wondering WHY she made that decision. because the hormonal therapy & all just messed up her body, she has lots of food intolerances and has a strict diet because of this. thats just the tip ofthe iceberg Also, the said family member still has the behaviour of a teenage girl even though he/she is the same age as me, no job no further education. [B]Restoring a broken mind[/B] is easier than restoring a broken body, thats why sex change should always be the last resort.[/QUOTE] oh lord fuck me that's a despicable position HRT fucks you up about as much as puberty does sounds like your friend is a fucking moron and I was getting surgery I'd sooner talk to a bloodied corpse than your friend [editline]20th February 2012[/editline] not to mention the he/she rubbish [editline]20th February 2012[/editline] if only there was dickhead reassignment surgery
Soon enough people on dates will talk about how they used to be a boy/girl not so long ago.
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