• Boy Scouts of America committee votes unanimously to retain gay ban
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[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/17/boy-scouts-america-ban-gay[/url] [quote=The Guardian]The Boy Scouts of America will uphold the organization's ban that prevents gay people from being members of the organization, after concluding a confidential two-year review. An 11-member committee formed in 2010 unanimously agreed to uphold a ban that prevents "open or avowed" gay people from being part of the youth organization. In a statement released to the Associated Press, the Scouts' chief executive Bob Mazzuca said the policy is supported by most Scout families: "The vast majority of the parents of youth we serve value their right to address issues of same-sex orientation within their family, with spiritual advisers and at the appropriate time and in the right setting. We fully understand that no single policy will accommodate the many diverse views among our membership or society." Incorporated in February 1910, more than 2,720,000 youth members and more than 1 million adult members are currently part of the organization which is meant "to provide an educational program for boys and young adults to build character, to train in the responsibilities of participating citizenship, and to develop personal fitness". In 2000, the supreme court ruled in Boy Scouts of America v Dale that the organization could bar gay men and lesbians from being troop leaders as it is a private organization. The ruling argued that forcing the organization to accept them would violate its First Amendment rights to freedom of association and free speech. Yet the court's decision did not stem campaigns to reverse this position, which has attracted increased attention as stories surfaced of openly gay members being removed from the organization. A Missouri Boy Scout who was with the organization for more than 10 years was recently kicked out after coming out to the camp director. Jennifer Tyrell lost her position as den leader of her son's Cub Scout group, once they learned she was a lesbian. In response, Tyrell started a petition to reinstate her volunteer position on change.org, which has received over 300,000 signatures. Tyrell also launched a separate petition directed at national board member Randall Stephenson asking him to get the organization to bring an end to the policy, which has received over 79,000 signatures. According to the AP, Stephenson is on track to become the president of the Boy Scouts national board in 2014. Last week, Stephenson's fellow national board member Ernst & Young CEO James Turley released a statement saying he believes an inclusive environment is important to society and said that dropping the policy is an important move for improving the organization. The Human Rights Campaign president Chad Griffin said: "This is a missed opportunity of colossal proportions. With the country moving toward inclusion, the leaders of the Boy Scouts of America have instead sent a message to young people that only some of them are valued. These adults could have taught the next generation of leaders the value of respect, yet they've chosen to teach division and intolerance." Boy Scouts of America have also come under scrutiny by atheist and agnostic groups, who are similarly barred from joining the group.[/quote]
That's so stupid. Gays arent hurting anyone, this judgment really should stop.
[quote]"The vast majority of the parents of youth we serve value their right to address issues of same-sex orientation within their family, with spiritual advisers and at the appropriate time and in the right setting.[/quote] Uh.
Back when I was in the boy scouts I remember they wouldn't let women and men sleep in the same tents because they were afraid of sexual contact but they gave no fucks about the possibility of two gay men sleeping in the same tent
Did anyone expect differently? Boy Scouts have always been incredibly morally Christian and it will be a while until we see any sort of effort to move on past the world of 1950s culture. Boy Scouts will always try to continue to be a relic of life as it was way back when, with "family values" and shit like that.
I think it's an insult to the rest of us, who have advanced into new values. It's just stubborn and attention seeking.
[QUOTE=koeniginator;36815954]Back when I was in the boy scouts I remember they wouldn't let women and men sleep in the same tents because they were afraid of sexual contact but they gave no fucks about the possibility of two gay men sleeping in the same tent[/QUOTE] The difference is the actual Boy Scouts of America in charge doesn't have the ability to control the actions of individual troops. Basically, each troop can determine its own rules and so on because the committee has no way of punishing them for breaking their rules, and no way of finding out.
gg boy scouts
wth since when were atheist and agnostics banned? i wasnt openly atheist but i didn't believe in god when i was in it. iirc the book is like "under god(or other spiritual figure)" yeah, they accept other religions, but not no religion
I know fuck all about scouts so I did some googling, the scouts here attend gay pride events apparently Edit: 'here' = the UK
[QUOTE=smurfy;36816016]I know fuck all about scouts so I did some googling, the scouts here attend gay pride events apparently[/QUOTE]Individuals troops are allowed a lot of autonomy but they technically do answer to the greater BSA body. They can make all the determination they want about who they accept as individual troops, but many of the troops are backed by religious institutions, the Mormon Church being quite probably the biggest of them all.
People don't realize the major governing body of the Boy Scouts of America is extremely religious, intolerant and ass backwards because the individual troop they were of didn't really shove those beliefs down their throats. There are very few actual troops that enforce the discrimination that the governing body wants them to, but it does happen, and if they do find out, the troop has to get a new leader.
It's nice how organizations like this are allowed to publicly discriminate AND receive government funding.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36816142]People don't realize the major governing body of the Boy Scouts of America is extremely religious, intolerant and ass backwards because the individual troop they were of didn't really shove those beliefs down their throats. There are very few actual troops that enforce the discrimination that the governing body wants them to, but it does happen, and if they do find out, the troop has to get a new leader.[/QUOTE]Many people also don't realize simply because they didn't fall in to one of the categories of people the BSA despises, or the BSA simply wasn't aware that they did. [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Combine_dumb;36816170]It's nice how organizations like this are allowed to publicly discriminate AND receive government funding.[/QUOTE]That is the worst part is that they actually do receive public funds and are allowed to use government land for free.
It's not like the gays are going to infect your kid or shove their dicks up the kid's ass without asking.
I wouldn't have a problem with them discriminating as long as the government isn't giving them any funding. Too bad this issue will never actually be resolved seeing as how it could be political suicide for any politician brave enough to challenge it. [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=usaokay;36816213]It's not like the gays are going to infect your kid or shove their dicks up the kid's ass without asking.[/QUOTE]Try telling them that. To them, the gays are spawns of Satan here to morally corrupt America into a secular wasteland where illegal immigrants are having late-term government-funded abortions in the streets and people are too baked on weed to drive their government-sanctioned Chevy Volt's to one of Czar Obama's socialist medical centers where death panel's declare all small-government christian conservatives as mentally challenged and execute them for not worshipping Allah. I bet they do I betcha.
Funny thing is if you've been in boy scouts or eagle scouts you can get bonus points when going in to the military, it helps you score better and get a better job or pay grade. Military lifted the ban, why the fuck can't the BSA. You shouldn't be allowed to get funding if you allow such bans.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndoP1YW72Zk[/media] This pretty much sums it up.
How these mormon fucktards get money from the government while discriminating is anyones guess.
[QUOTE=~Myst;36815935]That's so stupid. Gays arent hurting anyone, this judgment really should stop.[/QUOTE] They hurt my ass
The Boy Scouts of America - where open homosexuals are banned by repressed ones.
[quote] Boy Scouts of America have also come under scrutiny by atheist and agnostic groups, who are similarly barred from joining the group.[/quote] wtf, I never noticed this
[QUOTE=Crimor;36816344]How these mormon fucktards get money from the government while discriminating is anyones guess.[/QUOTE] Scouts, in my experience at least, are predominantly Christian. In fact, you must obtain merit or referral from a minister of the Christian faith to advance to Eagle scout, most of the time. Of course, this doesn't mean everyone in it adheres nor does it mean everyone in it is truthful. My family is big into it and, as such, I was pretty much forced into it as well. Being from where I live, it is difficult to "come out" as an atheist without some negative repercussions, so I tend to keep it to myself. Until I moved out, I was stuck in their programs. Needless to say, things are much better now. Still, I knew kids that were gay and were hugely discriminated against. For some, scouting was very important in their lives and they were scared others would rat them out to the leaders. It really is quite awful.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36815956]Did anyone expect differently? Boy Scouts have always been incredibly morally Christian and it will be a while until we see any sort of effort to move on past the world of 1950s culture. Boy Scouts will always try to continue to be a relic of life as it was way back when, with "family values" and shit like that.[/QUOTE] Sad thing is gay's weren't even shunned by christians until the king james bible. Then it only punished fornicators.
[QUOTE=~Myst;36815935]That's so stupid. Gays arent hurting anyone, this judgment really should stop.[/QUOTE] But they'll turn my children into godless sodomites!
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;36817291]wtf, I never noticed this[/QUOTE] That's probably because it's not anywhere near enforced enough for it to be a problem to anyone besides the few looking for something to get angry over. I had tons of friends in scouts before I left it who went on to become eagle scouts, and they were mostly, if not all atheists, and everyone in our troop knew it long before their eagle ceremonies. It's kind of idiotic that the rules are even there in the first place if they're so loosely enforced.
Keep up the good work on that time machine, US.
Yay Catholicism Edit: Yay christianity
[QUOTE=prooboo;36817808]Yay Catholicism[/QUOTE] you mean mormonism?
[QUOTE=Kirk Johnson;36817862]you mean mormonism?[/QUOTE] This. An obscene amount of boy scout troops are based in mormon temples.
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