• Labour will back in/out referendum on the EU
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[B]Britain should eventually stage an in-or-out referendum on membership of the European Union, one of Labour's shadow cabinet has said. [/B]Defence spokesman Jim Murphy told the BBC it could take place after the economic crisis ended and the future of the eurozone was more certain. [B] He added that "almost everyone" in the Labour Party would campaign for the UK to remain in the EU. [/B] But there was no "date circled" for a referendum, he added. The 17 members of the eurozone, of which the UK is not a part, are expected to back further fiscal and political integration in an effort to prevent a repeat of the debt crisis. This has led to fears of a "two-tier" Europe developing, with many arguing it could result in the UK leaving the organisation altogether. Labour leader Ed Miliband's close ally Jon Cruddas said last week that the policy review he is chairing would look at the case for an in/out referendum. [B]But former leader Lord Kinnock described such a vote on Europe as "a gigantic distraction (which) would disable political and economic activity in the rest of the EU".[/B] Speaking to BBC Two's Daily Politics after addressing Labour's annual conference in Manchester, Mr Murphy said: "[B]I think at some point there will have to be a referendum on the EU. I don't think it's for today or for the next year, but I think it should happen.[/B]" On closer integration within the eurozone, he said: [B]"I think after that, the time for the referendum will be upon us[/B]. I don't have a calendar with a date circled. I think we will do it when the time is right." Mr Murphy, a former Europe minister who drove the EU's Lisbon Treaty through Parliament, said [B]he would not back a "pick and mix" poll [/B]offering voters a range of different options for the UK's future relationship with the EU. He added: "My preference would be an in-or-out referendum when the time comes. Whenever the referendum comes, [B]almost everyone in the Labour Party, along with the Liberal Democrats and British business, will be arguing we should stay part of the EU, because it is good for our economy and good for Britain.[/B]" Shadow chancellor Ed Balls said: "I've said as well that moment may well come but I don't think it's now. I don't think it's a priority today because actually we need to get our economy moving and the European Union economy moving. We need reform in Europe." He added: "I'm not a saying Jim is wrong but Jim's not saying we need to have that referendum now." A Labour party spokesman said: "Labour are very clear that this is not a decision we could or should sensibly make now. None of us can fully predict where Europe will be in a few month's time never mind the next few years time. The priority must be sorting out this economy." Prime Minister David Cameron hinted last week that he might be ready to call an EU referendum after the 2015 general election, saying that the coming years would see "opportunities for a new settlement between Britain and Europe" which would require "fresh consent from the British people". [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19790050[/URL]
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Blind squirrel theory! Seriously though, I can support this.
Good, let the people speak. As long as they actually follow through on the decision if it comes to leaving.
Isnt it more beneficial to stay in the EU then to leave the EU.
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37873261]Isnt it more beneficial to stay in the EU then to leave the EU.[/QUOTE] Yes but UKIP told everyone that it costs £40m a day and all we get is immigrants, so everyone wants out [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9362kC9PtS4/S8masxAVPiI/AAAAAAAAAVQ/_WyE254noU0/s1600/ukip.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37873261]Isnt it more beneficial to stay in the EU then to leave the EU.[/QUOTE] Depends what you mean by EU. People generally seem to dislike the legislation that is imposed on EU member from Brussels, which is generally seen as too bureaucratic as well as being unrepresentative. However, I think people would support remaining in the common market, which Britain needs as more then 50% of our exports go there. Also, having a close military alliance with European nations doesn't hurt either.
Im going to assume UKIP are a bunch of right-wing nationalists, and that overall its more beneficial economically to stay in the EU then any sort of loss to it that there may be.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN_1mF-3JTI[/url] EU got TOLD. Fuck the EU... That is all.
[QUOTE=BAZ;37872594]why[/QUOTE] They want back in but are lying through their teeth.
[QUOTE=matt.ant;37873294]Yes but UKIP told everyone that it costs £40m a day and all we get is immigrants, so everyone wants out [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9362kC9PtS4/S8masxAVPiI/AAAAAAAAAVQ/_WyE254noU0/s1600/ukip.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] The Daily Mail confirms this is true.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;37874065][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN_1mF-3JTI[/url] EU got TOLD. Fuck the EU... That is all.[/QUOTE] farage is a maniac and will ruin this country if he gets his way
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37874113]farage is a maniac and will ruin this country if he gets his way[/QUOTE] as much as i disagree with him though, he is a great speaker.
[QUOTE=Bobie;37874142]as much as i disagree with him though, he is a great speaker.[/QUOTE] good oratory does not distinguish truth from falsehood
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37874113]farage is a maniac and will ruin this country if he gets his way[/QUOTE] Because Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and David Cameron did a great job. Let him have his turn, he can't do any worse mate.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;37874153]Because Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and David Cameron did a great job. Let him have his turn, he can't do any worse mate.[/QUOTE] Exactly, sometime the lesser evil is better. Besides it's about time we get off the merry-go-round that is Tory-Lab Switch over every few years. Tories save, squeeze the shit out of the economy. Labour spend, and break the economy. No one knows what UKIP would be like.. or liberal on their own.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;37874153]Because Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and David Cameron did a great job. Let him have his turn, [B]he can't do any worse mate.[/B][/QUOTE] So because the previous few prime ministers had some failings, we should elect a man who will predictably run this country into the ground.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37874192]So because the previous few prime ministers had some failings, we should elect a man who will predictably run this country into the ground.[/QUOTE] I take it you are qualified to predict what a politician will achieve in his time as PM then? The Tories and Labour have proven that they are absolutely useless. The people want someone new. If Farange fucks up, the people will have to look elsewhere again :)
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37874152]good oratory does not distinguish truth from falsehood[/QUOTE] of course. i can only dream of a political system which isn't fuelled by charisma, confidence, and SHOCK POLICIES! but at least ukip are a minority at present.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1WlpzvgciY&feature=related[/url] Brown gets DESTROYED. Can you seriously disagree with Farange here?
Labour, please stop trying to be the Tories and go back to being Labour.
I would honestly vote to leave; I hate the imposed laws that come out of Europe. I understand the setbacks that will occur in the market and such, but having our judical system undermined by a third party on a daily basis annoys me greatly.
[QUOTE=RomeoDelta;37874407]I would honestly vote to leave; I hate the imposed laws that come out of Europe. I understand the setbacks that will occur in the market and such, but having our judical system undermined by a third party on a daily basis annoys me greatly.[/QUOTE] which imposed laws do you not like
[QUOTE=Bobie;37874418]which imposed laws do you not like[/QUOTE] The Imposed ones ;)
[QUOTE=RomeoDelta;37874407]I would honestly vote to leave; I hate the imposed laws that come out of Europe. I understand the setbacks that will occur in the market and such, but having our judical system undermined by a third party on a daily basis annoys me greatly.[/QUOTE] That's just daily mail talk, he EU does a lot of good, more than most right wingers would like you to think.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37874450]That's just daily mail talk, he EU does a lot of good, more than most right wingers would like you to think.[/QUOTE] Yeah man! You're so right! I'm just loving the way Britain is right now, especially the bit where my brother can't walk home alone from school for fear of being mugged, and the fact that you need a fucking degree to work the till in mcdonalds. This Union sure is making Britain a better place.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;37874446]The Imposed ones ;)[/QUOTE] if they're made on a daily basis then you must be able to provide at least one example of an EU law that has an objectively negative impact on society [editline]edit[/editline] cmon man
[QUOTE=entertainer89;37874483]Yeah man! You're so right! I'm just loving the way Britain is right now, especially the bit where my brother can't walk home alone from school for fear of being mugged, and the fact that you need a fucking degree to work the till in mcdonalds. This Union sure is making Britain a better place.[/QUOTE] How is that in any way the EU's fault? The EU has absolutely no control over stuff like that, blame the likes of the Tories for stuff like that.
[QUOTE=RomeoDelta;37874407]I would honestly vote to leave; I hate the imposed laws that come out of Europe. I understand the setbacks that will occur in the market and such, but having our judical system undermined by a third party on a daily basis annoys me greatly.[/QUOTE] A lot of the EU laws are pretty much identical to the ones we had already, like the whole bananas fiasco
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37874387]Labour, please stop trying to be the Tories and go back to being Labour.[/QUOTE] Thatcher turned Labour into a tory clone.
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