• Surging gas prices threaten to derail economic recovery
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[QUOTE=Harry3;34815232]its £1.359 per litre over here which is $2.146. which, if I can do maths!, is $8.111 per gallon. In other words, stop fucking complaining. [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] box me if I fail at maths[/QUOTE] Its mainly because we do a lot more driving (because there is no alternative), and we obviously have a higher amount of fuel hungry vehicles. If you drive a gas guzzling SUV everyday for work that barely makes 18 MPG that has a 25 gallon tank, your really going to take a hit. You guys still pay more even after that fact most likely, but the gap is narrowed.
[QUOTE=mac338;34814078]Gas is $10 per gallon here in Norway. :v:[/QUOTE] Why?
[QUOTE=Harry3;34815232]its £1.359 per litre over here which is $2.146. which, if I can do maths!, is $8.111 per gallon. In other words, stop fucking complaining. [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] box me if I fail at maths[/QUOTE] That's not how it works though. You can't directly care U.S. and European gas prices.
Drill Alaska and you'll cut down on the problem. The dependence on foreign oil is what's killing us. We have oil reserves that are going untapped while we sit here with gas prices approaching (or surpassing) $5. Or better yet, make an [b]affordable[/b] alternative fuel car that [b]doesn't[/b] look like a piece of shit and can run for longer than an hour. But I doubt that'll ever happen, with pressure from environmentalists coming from the left and pressure from oil company execs coming from the right.
[QUOTE=massn7;34818473]Drill Alaska and you'll cut down on the problem. The dependence on foreign oil is what's killing us. We have oil reserves that are going untapped while we sit here with gas prices approaching (or surpassing) $5. Or better yet, make an [b]affordable[/b] alternative fuel car that [b]doesn't[/b] look like a piece of shit and can run for longer than an hour. But I doubt that'll ever happen, with pressure from environmentalists coming from the left and pressure from oil company execs coming from the right.[/QUOTE] It costs more to drill here than it does to pay the Saudis for the same reasons it's more expensive to make things here than in China. You have to pay the workers more.
[QUOTE=Demache;34818374]Its mainly because we do a lot more driving (because there is no alternative), [B]and we obviously have a higher amount of fuel hungry vehicles. If you drive a gas guzzling SUV everyday for work that barely makes 18 MPG that has a 25 gallon tank, your really going to take a hit[/B]. You guys still pay more even after that fact most likely, but the gap is narrowed.[/QUOTE] ... well you know what the solution for that is?!
[QUOTE=Demache;34818374]Its mainly because we do a lot more driving (because there is no alternative), and we obviously have a higher amount of fuel hungry vehicles. If you drive a gas guzzling SUV everyday for work that barely makes 18 MPG that has a 25 gallon tank, your really going to take a hit. You guys still pay more even after that fact most likely, but the gap is narrowed.[/QUOTE] Some people actually need trucks and SUV's, and the real hit comes right out of businesses because diesel prices are insane. Higher transportation costs = higher food prices, higher everything prices really.
[QUOTE=Demache;34818374]Its mainly because we do a lot more driving (because there is no alternative), and we obviously have a higher amount of fuel hungry vehicles. If you drive a gas guzzling SUV everyday for work that barely makes 18 MPG that has a 25 gallon tank, your really going to take a hit. You guys still pay more even after that fact most likely, but the gap is narrowed.[/QUOTE] There ARE alternatives, but there seems to be an issue with Americans utilizing them. Notice how many people in other countries use public transportation, scooters, bicycles, etc. compared to how many Americans do. The fact is that most Americans want to drive vehicles everywhere and bitch about gas prices at the same time.
Gas where I live is $2.90-3.09 a gallon [img]http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/images/smilies/smug.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34818458]That's not how it works though. You can't directly care U.S. and European gas prices.[/QUOTE] why not?
[QUOTE=Glaber;34811482]Don't forget to properly inflate your tires.[/QUOTE] i know this is probably a weird snipe at a thing that Obama said a million years ago but proper tire inflation actually does increase the fuel efficiency of a car to a noteworthy degree.
lol you think your gas prices are expensive in America. We pay 2.3$ pr. litre here in Denmark!
[QUOTE=Harry3;34818652]why not?[/QUOTE] Because the -actual- cost is also affected by what vehicle you're driving and how far you go. As said earlier, everything is much more spread out in the USA, so people have to drive a lot more. Remember, Texas alone covers the majority of Europe's landmass. So yeah, our fuel may be cheaper, but we use more of it so it helps balance out.
[QUOTE=Bones85;34818592]There ARE alternatives, but there seems to be an issue with Americans utilizing them. Notice how many people in other countries use public transportation, scooters, bicycles, etc. compared to how many Americans do. The fact is that most Americans want to drive vehicles everywhere and bitch about gas prices at the same time.[/QUOTE] While I agree with scooters and bicycles (except for a lot of the time in the winter season), public transportation isn't really an option in most cases. That tends to be a feature of larger cities. And if you live in a rural area, where fuel tends to be more expensive anyway, you pretty much need a car when the nearest town is 5+ miles away.
I go through a tank of gas a week. I have a 17 gallon tank. I get 14MPG. I only drive to and from school. They do not offer transportation to my house to and from school. I only take premium. My life is expensive.
[QUOTE=dbk21894;34819204]I go through a tank of gas a week. I have a 17 gallon tank. I get 14MPG. I only drive to and from school. They do not offer transportation to my house to and from school. I only take premium. My life is expensive.[/QUOTE] 14mpg? Gee what are you driving a Veyron?
I think it's around $3.50 around here now, I wouldn't be surprised to see it hit $4.00 easily. My wallet will probably shit itself though.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;34818845]Because the -actual- cost is also affected by what vehicle you're driving and how far you go. As said earlier, everything is much more spread out in the USA, so people have to drive a lot more. Remember, Texas alone covers the majority of Europe's landmass. So yeah, our fuel may be cheaper, but we use more of it so it helps balance out.[/QUOTE] Not as much as you'd think, looking at annual mileage averages for US drivers and for example my country (Italy) we do about the same number of miles per year. You pay 4$ per gallon, we pay 10. It's a bit like Steam (random example) you may pay 50$ for a game we pay 50 euros.
[QUOTE=BoSoZoku;34820135]Not as much as you'd think, looking at annual mileage averages for US drivers and for example my country (Italy) we do about the same number of miles per year. You pay 4$ per gallon, we pay 10.[/QUOTE] But what kind of vehicles do you guys drive? We may use more fuel to go the same distance. Either way, ours are definitely cheaper, since we do have access to local oil sources.
[QUOTE=dbk21894;34819204]I go through a tank of gas a week. I have a 17 gallon tank. I get 14MPG. I only drive to and from school. They do not offer transportation to my house to and from school. I only take premium. My life is expensive.[/QUOTE] Ride a bicycle, get a more fuel efficient car, car pool, or walk.
[QUOTE=Demache;34820163]But what kind of vehicles do you guys drive? We may use more fuel to go the same distance. Either way, ours are definitely cheaper, since we do have access to local oil sources.[/QUOTE] We do use more fuel efficient cars but in the US you (I'm guessing here) have more straights and drive more on highways. You have to consider the salary too though we get on average probably a bit more than half of what you get in the US. Probably all in all it won't be 4$ vs 10$ but more like 4$ vs 6/7$ if you count in all the driving behaviors, roads and vehicles.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;34818663]i know this is probably a weird snipe at a thing that Obama said a million years ago but proper tire inflation actually does increase the fuel efficiency of a car to a noteworthy degree.[/QUOTE] It also helps to inflate with nitrogen instead of regular air. Several tire places around here fill with nitrogen for free, and it's a noticeable difference.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;34813565]No, several federal agencies told the people responsible that the pipeline was such a clusterfuck it would take a year or more to review, and barring their plans changing, it'll be in review limbo for a minimum of a year. You [I]are[/I] being sarcastic, [URL="https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/256682-2011-worst-case-keystone-spills-report.html"]right[/URL]?[/QUOTE] Technically the worst case is that a lot of crops get destroyed, half of the states the pipeline would run through dont even have that dense of a population. Like Oklahoma, pretty much just farms. Also people act like these pipes are made of paper or some shit and could spill at any time, but its made of steel, and even if it did leak there would be valves placed every so often that could just be turned and boom off goes the supply. [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bones85;34820320]Ride a bicycle, get a more fuel efficient car, car pool, or walk.[/QUOTE] In the United States its sometimes just impossible to walk, or ride bikes unless you live in a city as most of America is rural and your school, where you shop could be 5-10 miles away. You could car pool but than you have to find people willing and that could be hard. And as for buying a more efficient car, thats a nice idea, but who has the money to drop on a new car that gets the 25+ MPG. [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=smfE;34818711]lol you think your gas prices are expensive in America. We pay 2.3$ pr. litre here in Denmark![/QUOTE] Jesus, it would cost over 9$ a gallon.
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;34820903]In the United States its sometimes just impossible to walk, or ride bikes unless you live in a city as most of America is rural and your school, where you shop could be 5-10 miles away. You could car pool but than you have to find people willing and that could be hard. And as for buying a more efficient car, thats a nice idea, but who has the money to drop on a new car that gets the 25+ MPG.[/QUOTE] No, it's not really impossible. It's more like most Americans prefer the convenience of driving themselves everywhere. Riding a bicycle 5-10 miles isn't difficult at all. Car pooling isn't always possible, but if you have a friend/co-worker who goes to the same school/works at the same place as you then you might as well do it. You don't have to buy a new car to get 25+ MPG. There are plenty of used cars that cost >$5,000 and average 25+ MPG. The problem is that people are buying trucks/SUVs, etc. when they really don't need one, and these people end up being the same people who complain about gas prices.
So you want to wake up an hour early to walk the 5 miles to school than depending on the time of year, frozen to hell or sweaty as hell before even getting to school, or if walking to the store, have fun carrying bags of groceries home. You will get in shape sure, but its a rather huge inconvenience. Yea you can do it but is it worth saving money to walk over 10 miles a day. And yes car pooling is a very viable option if people in your area are nice, and are going to the store that day. Its all about schedule too,if you need to go to the store at that very moment or need to go somewhere for a meeting, your reliant upon someone in your area who is also heading out in that general direction. Most of the cars that are under 5k either have a lot of miles on them or are really old, which brings the point of oh I might have to spend 4k on a new engine, or spend money monthly on parts to keep it running. I was thinking of more 2009+ cars since those where the models starting to reach 30+ MPG regularly.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;34818845]Because the -actual- cost is also affected by what vehicle you're driving and how far you go. As said earlier, everything is much more spread out in the USA, so people have to drive a lot more. Remember, Texas alone covers the majority of Europe's landmass. So yeah, our fuel may be cheaper, but we use more of it so it helps balance out.[/QUOTE] Texas also isn't that populated compared to the rest of the US
[QUOTE=The Baconator;34821474]Texas also isn't that populated compared to the rest of the US[/QUOTE] Texas has a population of 25 million and is rank #2 by population in the country. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population[/url]
[QUOTE=Bones85;34821114]No, it's not really impossible. It's more like most Americans prefer the convenience of driving themselves everywhere. Riding a bicycle 5-10 miles isn't difficult at all. Car pooling isn't always possible, but if you have a friend/co-worker who goes to the same school/works at the same place as you then you might as well do it. You don't have to buy a new car to get 25+ MPG. There are plenty of used cars that cost >$5,000 and average 25+ MPG. The problem is that people are buying trucks/SUVs, etc. when they really don't need one, and these people end up being the same people who complain about gas prices.[/QUOTE] Its not difficult, as much as time consuming. And in rural areas, you still need a car. Sometimes you have to drive 40+ miles to a city to get or do something that isn't possible in a nearby town. Granted, that's not an everyday thing. And that's where buying a fuel efficient car comes in.
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;34821292]So you want to wake up an hour early to walk the 5 miles to school than depending on the time of year, frozen to hell or sweaty as hell before even getting to school, or if walking to the store, have fun carrying bags of groceries home. You will get in shape sure, but its a rather huge inconvenience. Yea you can do it but is it worth saving money to walk over 10 miles a day. And yes car pooling is a very viable option if people in your area are nice, and are going to the store that day. Its all about schedule too,if you need to go to the store at that very moment or need to go somewhere for a meeting, your reliant upon someone in your area who is also heading out in that general direction. Most of the cars that are under 5k either have a lot of miles on them or are really old, which brings the point of oh I might have to spend 4k on a new engine, or spend money monthly on parts to keep it running. I was thinking of more 2009+ cars since those where the models starting to reach 30+ MPG regularly.[/QUOTE]It was a thirty minutes drive every morning for me when I was in school. Trying to bike? It would be absolutely impossible.
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;34821659]Texas has a population of 25 million and is rank #2 by population in the country. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population[/url][/QUOTE] I think he was talking about density not the amount of people per se.
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