• Republican Summer Wish List: Make Bush tax cuts permanent, Dismantle 'Obamacare', Cut down energy re
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[QUOTE=Bomimo;36143871]Republican TO DO list: 1. Get gun 2. Shoot myself in the knees so i can't walk 3. Shoot myself in the elbows so my arms are useless. 4. Get someone to shoot my jaws off so i can't feed myself. All i saw there was "Let's cripple ourselves in a way that we can't possibly recover! HELL YEAH JEWSUS!!!!! ALABAMA. YEEHAAAW-TEXAS!!!"[/QUOTE] itt hypocritical liberals Someone disagrees with my opinions? They must be dumb and they should die :downs:
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;36146299]itt hypocritical liberals Someone disagrees with my opinions? They must be dumb and they should die :downs:[/QUOTE] see my earlier post about the CBO's projections
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;36146299]itt hypocritical liberals Someone disagrees with my opinions? They must be dumb and they should die :downs:[/QUOTE] More like: Someone wants to grind us all into dept, poverty and poor quality of life either so they can smile at the bible or exploit us for money. So we should let them know how fucking retarded they are. YOU are a motherfucking retard, sir. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but this shit is objectively bad for everyone but the single sick fuck who suggested it. Another thing that confirms that you're absolutely slow and simple, is that i did not say what i intended to do to anyone. I was putting what HE wants to do to us all into a perspective that a walking, talking hick stereotype like you could understand. I underestimated your lack of intelligence and education, i apologise. What this is, is the equivalent of hitting an iceberg in the middle of the mojave and proceeding to manage to sink and drown in its sand. It's virtually impossible and it's a feat for the human mind that anyone thinks that anything good can come out of attempting it, yet here you are. TL;DR: I never said anything about murder, but metaphorical analogy to self-crippling was made. Good job reading son... [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;36146260]You do realize most of the regulations in place actually GIVE us the cheap energy costs that we get.[/QUOTE] Some, not all. Also, either way when certain regulations give an unfair edge to bigger companies who can afford to comply with regulatory costs, or the regulations are made in such a way that a plant is allowed to pollute as much as they want as long as the people in a town aren't complaining about it, that shows that there needs to be some regulatory overhaul.
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;36146299]itt hypocritical liberals Someone disagrees with my opinions? They must be dumb and they should die :downs:[/QUOTE] The passing of the aforementioned policies by the republicunts would result in catastrophic suffering and poverty, and maybe even loss of life. I have no problems with some of the sick fucks in the republican party being killed so that the rest of the country can live in peace and health. Either that or lock them away from the rest of their life for treason.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36146814]Some, not all. Also, either way when certain regulations give an unfair edge to bigger companies who can afford to comply with regulatory costs, or the regulations are made in such a way that a plant is allowed to pollute as much as they want as long as the people in a town aren't complaining about it, that shows that there needs to be some regulatory overhaul.[/QUOTE] Its called grandfathering, and that's why clean coal will never exist. And those regulations will never go through. Its the same reason why nuclear sites will always stay nuclear, because no one wants to cite new nuclear. Its just as much the public's fault as it is the regulations fault.
[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;36147110]Its called grandfathering, and that's why clean coal will never exist. And those regulations will never go through. Its the same reason why nuclear sites will always stay nuclear, because no one wants to cite new nuclear. Its just as much the public's fault as it is the regulations fault.[/QUOTE] Yea, it is. Just like how 2000-2008 was as much the public's fault as it was Bush's fault.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;36146716]More like: Someone wants to grind us all into dept, poverty and poor quality of life either so they can smile at the bible or exploit us for money. So we should let them know how fucking retarded they are. YOU are a motherfucking retard, sir. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but this shit is objectively bad for everyone but the single sick fuck who suggested it. Another thing that confirms that you're absolutely slow and simple, is that i did not say what i intended to do to anyone. I was putting what HE wants to do to us all into a perspective that a walking, talking hick stereotype like you could understand. I underestimated your lack of intelligence and education, i apologise. What this is, is the equivalent of hitting an iceberg in the middle of the mojave and proceeding to manage to sink and drown in its sand. It's virtually impossible and it's a feat for the human mind that anyone thinks that anything good can come out of attempting it, yet here you are. TL;DR: I never said anything about murder, but metaphorical analogy to self-crippling was made. Good job reading son...[/QUOTE] Your metaphorical analogy of self-harm doesn't coincide with their wishlist, just what you think will happen because you disagree with their actions/opinions. You are still implying they might as well harm themselves because of their stupidity. Despite what you think, tax cuts/regulations/healthcare reform aren't one sided issues and it doesn't make you right because you believe in one side. There's pros and cons to every situation hence it's politics and there's 2 major political parties. For example with the tax cuts, it may make you feel entitled to have the upper class taxed because you're in poverty or they're more well off than you are. What about small business owners trying to stay afloat? What about people who work hard for a living such as medical doctors? Did you consider what other people are entitled? It's a political issue because people do not agree on it. As for the Republican party, there's a lot of issues with the mixed ideology but it doesn't mean an entire party is wrong because of a single individual being religiously crazy. Not all republicans are conservative or even religious at all. TL;DR: Shooting oneself can be interpreted as suicide/murder, An opinion: A view or judgment formed about something. You sound angry, you should calm down. :smile:
I get kinda angry when republicans want to exploit me and leave me for dead when they're done. I'm fucked up like that. Imposing their shit on me should NOT be legal. Degrading quality of life or healt sector for monetary gain should not be legal. Running a countrys economy into the ground for personal gain should not be cool, yet here they are...
[QUOTE=Last or First;36140101]Yes! We need [I]less[/I] regulations. Because that worked out [I]so goddamn well[/I] for Deepwater Horizon. And the Bush tax cuts! Those worked [I]so well[/I] for raising how much money the lower classes have and for creating jobs. Nevermind that we [I]had[/I] the Bush tax cuts for years and it did fuck all for either of those. If we just keep them up, [I]eventually[/I] those rich people are going to start giving money away and not caring about themselves! Because that's how people get rich. It's not like rich people would just [I]keep[/I] the extra money. Like we've seen for the past fucking decade. And the past, oh, [I]forever[/I]. If you want to give the lower classes more money, don't lower their taxes! Lower the taxes for rich people, and hope that those rich people are generous! gheiuhagosdhgoajksjhdnaopgsf[/QUOTE] The Bush tax cuts did not just apply to the rich, they were tax cuts across all income levels. In the end the rich ended up shouldering the majority of the tax burden: [quote] Consequently, from 2000 to 2004, the share of all individual income taxes paid by the bottom 40 percent dropped from zero percent to –4 percent, meaning that the average family in those quintiles received a subsidy from the IRS. (See Chart 6.) By contrast, the share paid by the top quintile of households (by income) increased from 81 percent to 85 percent. Expanding the data to include all federal taxes, the share paid by the top quintile edged up from 66.6 percent in 2000 to 67.1 percent in 2004, while the bottom 40 percent's share dipped from 5.9 percent to 5.4 percent. Clearly, the tax cuts have led to the rich shouldering more of the income tax burden and the poor shouldering less.[18] [/quote] [url]http://heritage.org/research/reports/2007/01/ten-myths-about-the-bush-tax-cuts[/url] (myth #10) If the bush tax cuts expire, [b]everyone[/b] faces a tax hike, not just the rich. and Deepwater Horizon had nothing to do with laissez-faire. Laissez-faire didn't exist now, then, or at any time. There were countless regulations they had to follow. The regulations failed, it had nothing to do with lassez-faire
[quote]heritage.org[/quote] Get out.
[QUOTE=Noble;36148771]The Bush tax cuts did not just apply to the rich, they were tax cuts across all income levels. In the end the rich ended up shouldering the majority of the tax burden: [url]http://heritage.org/research/reports/2007/01/ten-myths-about-the-bush-tax-cuts[/url] (myth #10) If the bush tax cuts expire, [b]everyone[/b] faces a tax hike, not just the rich. and Deepwater Horizon had nothing to do with laissez-faire. Laissez-faire didn't exist now, then, or at any time. There were countless regulations they had to follow. The regulations failed, it had nothing to do with lassez-faire[/QUOTE] Oh please show us a worse possible source, noble. Maybe stormfront, that may be up your alley.
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;36148322]Your metaphorical analogy of self-harm doesn't coincide with their wishlist, just what you think will happen because you disagree with their actions/opinions. You are still implying they might as well harm themselves because of their stupidity. Despite what you think, tax cuts/regulations/healthcare reform aren't one sided issues and it doesn't make you right because you believe in one side. There's pros and cons to every situation hence it's politics and there's 2 major political parties. For example with the tax cuts, it may make you feel entitled to have the upper class taxed because you're in poverty or they're more well off than you are. What about small business owners trying to stay afloat? What about people who work hard for a living such as medical doctors? Did you consider what other people are entitled? It's a political issue because people do not agree on it. As for the Republican party, there's a lot of issues with the mixed ideology but it doesn't mean an entire party is wrong because of a single individual being religiously crazy. Not all republicans are conservative or even religious at all. TL;DR: Shooting oneself can be interpreted as suicide/murder, An opinion: A view or judgment formed about something. You sound angry, you should calm down. :smile:[/QUOTE] I'll start taking the republican party as something I would seriously vote for when they start thinking that maybe gay people deserve rights too. [editline]31st May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Governor Goblin;36152358]Oh please show us a worse possible source, noble. Maybe stormfront, that may be up your alley.[/QUOTE] that's a little harsh
[QUOTE=Key_in_skillee;36152292]Get out.[/QUOTE] Not an argument [QUOTE=Governor Goblin;36152358]Oh please show us a worse possible source, noble. Maybe stormfront, that may be up your alley.[/QUOTE] Not an argument Again, the bush tax cuts were not just for the rich, they were across the board. Just admit that the bush tax cuts ending means a tax hike for everybody, not just the rich. [quote]You may have been led to believe that only individuals in the top two brackets will face higher federal income taxes when the Bush cuts go bye-bye. Not true! Unless Congress takes action and President Obama goes along, rates will go up for everyone -- not just a sliver of the wealthiest Americans. The current six rate brackets of 10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33% and 35% will be replaced by five new brackets with the higher rates of 15%, 28%, 31%, 36% and 39.6%. [/quote] [url]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pf_article_110005.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;36152358]Oh please show us a worse possible source, noble. Maybe stormfront, that may be up your alley.[/QUOTE] Just because the source is bunk doesn't necessarily mean all information contained within the source is bunk. That's an ad hominem style of thinking. Instead of disregarding the argument based on the source, show why the data may be skewed or spun. "The Act made significant changes in several areas of the US [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Revenue_Code"]Internal Revenue Code[/URL], including [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax"]income tax[/URL] rates, estate and gift tax exclusions, and qualified and retirement plan rules. In general, the act lowered tax rates and simplified retirement and qualified plan rules such as for [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_retirement_account"]Individual retirement accounts[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/401%28k%29"]401(k)[/URL] plans, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/403%28b%29"]403(b)[/URL], and pension plans. The changes were so large and numerous that many books and analysis papers were published regarding the changes and how to best take advantage of them. All the 2001 tax cuts were set to expire at the end of 2010 when Congress extended them.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Growth_and_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_of_2001#cite_note-0"]" [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Growth_and_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_of_2001[/url] [/URL] This seems like it would apply to the middle class as well as some of the poor. " JGTRRA increased both the percentage rate at which items can be [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depreciation"]depreciated[/URL] and the amount a taxpayer may choose to expense under [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_179"]Section 179[/URL], allowing them to deduct the full cost of the item from their income without having to depreciate the amount. In addition, the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gains_tax_in_the_United_States"]capital gains tax[/URL] decreased from rates of 8%, 10%, and 20% to 5% and 15%. Capital gains taxes for those currently paying 5% (in this instance, those in the 0% and 15% income tax brackets) are scheduled to be eliminated in 2008. However, capital gains taxes remain at the regular income tax rate for property held less than one year. Certain categories, such as collectibles, remained taxed at existing rates, with a 28% cap. In addition, taxes on "[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_dividends"]qualified dividends[/URL]" were reduced to the capital gains levels. "[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_dividends"]Qualified dividends[/URL]" includes most income from foreign corporations, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_estate_investment_trust"]real estate investment trusts[/URL], and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_union"]credit union[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank"]bank[/URL] "dividends" that are nominally [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interest"]interest[/URL]." [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_and_Growth_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_of_2003#Investments[/url] This also applies to the middle class. It lowers the tax rate for everyone investing, not just the very rich. These tax cuts are definitely skewed towards the rich, they definitely get the most benefit, but that doesn't mean that the poor or middle class don't get any benefit from them either.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36153436] These tax cuts are definitely skewed towards the rich, they definitely get the most benefit, but that doesn't mean that the poor or middle class don't get any benefit from them either.[/QUOTE] They do in fact get the most benefit. I never said they didn't. They save much more money in terms of actual dollars than working class people (because say, 2% of a rich man's income is much more than 2% of a working class person's income, obviously). I said that since the lower classes received tax cuts as well, the end effect was that the rich shouldered a higher percentage of the tax burden (even though their savings in actual dollars was exponentially greater than the savings of a working class individual). I was not saying that the rich got a raw deal compared to the poor as a result of these tax cuts, far from it. What I am saying though, is that repealing the bush tax cuts means tax hikes for everybody, not just the rich.
[QUOTE=Noble;36153471]They do in fact get the most benefit. I never said they didn't. They save much more money in terms of actual dollars than working class people (because say, 2% of a rich man's income is much more than 2% of a working class person's income, obviously). I said that since the lower classes received tax cuts as well, the end effect was that the rich shouldered a higher percentage of the tax burden. I was not saying that the rich got a raw deal compared to the poor as a result of these tax cuts, far from it.[/QUOTE] It's strange how a tax cut can simultaneously benefit the rich more than the poor, but still shift tax burden farther onto the rich. math you so silly
[QUOTE=Noble;36153471] What I am saying though, is that repealing the bush tax cuts means tax hikes for everybody, not just the rich.[/QUOTE] Then you, oh gee I dunno, remove the aspect of them that play favouritism to the wealthy what a revolutionary fucking concept.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;36143871]Republican TO DO list: 1. Get gun 2. Shoot myself in the knees so i can't walk 3. Shoot myself in the elbows so my arms are useless. 4. Get someone to shoot my jaws off so i can't feed myself. All i saw there was "Let's cripple ourselves in a way that we can't possibly recover! HELL YEAH JEWSUS!!!!! ALABAMA. YEEHAAAW-TEXAS!!!"[/QUOTE] Facepunch Left Leaning TODO list: 1. Make fun of ALL Republicans 2. Stereotype Republicans 3. Talk about leaving the country because of Republicans 4. Call anyone who disagrees with you Republicans 5. Fail to understand the Republican party as a whole, use Social Conservatives as basis for entire opinion of Republicans 6. Return to step 1
[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;36141479]Democrats' wishlist: keep going with the economic package that the CBO says will destroy the economy by 2027. Remember folks, stop thinking, just remember the [i]eeeeeevil[/i] Republicans![/QUOTE] You're forgetting the fact that governments actually need money to, you know, run.
[QUOTE=Penultimate;36153718]You're forgetting the fact that governments actually need money to, you know, run.[/QUOTE] I thought the government ran on pixie dust and positive thinking...
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36153747]I thought the government ran on pixie dust and positive thinking...[/QUOTE] Well it sure as hell doesn't need a positive budget.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;36153679]Facepunch Left Leaning TODO list: 5. Fail to understand the Republican party as a whole, use Social Conservatives as basis for entire opinion of Republicans[/QUOTE] The only Republicans left are social conservatives, and republicans who haven't left their nuclear bunker since Reagan. For about five minutes there was some legitimate complaining (well some of it anyway) and campaigning from the Tea Party, but that was gobbled up by the current batch of pro-wealthy big military industrial complex social conservative republicans.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;36153765]Well it sure as hell doesn't need a positive budget.[/QUOTE] Well, that's obvious. As long as debt is controlled, a government can run in the red indefinitely, or at least near indefinitely.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;36153765]Well it sure as hell doesn't need a positive budget.[/QUOTE] The pixie dust is debt I would imagine
[QUOTE=Contag;36153794]The only Republicans left are social conservatives, and republicans who haven't left their nuclear bunker since Reagan. For about five minutes there was some legitimate complaining (well some of it anyway) and campaigning from the Tea Party, but that was gobbled up by the current batch of pro-wealthy big military industrial complex social conservative republicans.[/QUOTE] Correction, the [I]largest remaining[/I] group are SCs. There are plenty of other Republicans in the world, its just the SCs are the loudest and most absurd. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;36153801]Well, that's obvious. [B]As long as debt is controlled,[/B] a government can run in the red indefinitely, or at least near indefinitely.[/QUOTE] Well we ain't got that either so...
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;36153648]Then you, oh gee I dunno, remove the aspect of them that play favouritism to the wealthy what a revolutionary fucking concept.[/QUOTE] The democrats already tried this when the Bush Tax cuts were up for expiration in 2010. There was a huge debate over it and both sides had to make a compromise (extended 2 years and well.. here we are again).
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;36153679]Facepunch Left Leaning TODO list: 1. Make fun of ALL Republicans 2. Stereotype Republicans 3. Talk about leaving the country because of Republicans 4. Call anyone who disagrees with you Republicans 5. Fail to understand the Republican party as a whole, use Social Conservatives as basis for entire opinion of Republicans 6. Return to step 1[/QUOTE] while on the other hand Bomimo is exactly the kind of person no-one likes, i take issue with one little thing here: [quote]5. Fail to understand the Republican party as a whole, use Social Conservatives as basis for entire opinion of Republicans[/quote] social conservatism is a platform of the Republican party, don't pretend otherwise.
I bet they sit around with a bottle of whiskey and say "Oh hey, hey guys, here's a great one: let's fuck 'em, and then, get this, fuck 'em some more!" "Why didn't I think of that?"
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;36153821] Well we ain't got that either so...[/QUOTE] Last I checked we still had a large amount of potential debt to rack up before it becomes problematic. We have about 70% debt compared to our GDP. To put this in perspective, Japan has 255% debt to GDP. Now, we might not be able to sustain Japanese level debt, but we could probably sustain 100-130% debt to GDP.
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