• Ukrainian Protesters topple statue of Lenin in Independence Square. EU Flag now flies on the pedesta
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[quote](Reuters) - Anti-government protesters toppled a statue of Soviet state founder Vladimir Lenin in Ukraine's capital and attacked it with hammers on Sunday in a symbolic challenge to President Viktor Yanukovich and his plans for closer ties with Russia. The gesture rejecting Moscow's historic influence over Ukraine came after opposition leaders told hundreds of thousands of demonstrators on Kiev's Independence Square to keep up pressure on Yanukovich to sack his government. The protesters are furious that the government decided last month to ditch a landmark pact with the European Union in favour of closer economic cooperation with Moscow, Ukraine's Soviet-era overlord. Yanukovich's sudden tack towards Russia has provoked the biggest street protests since the 2004-5 Orange Revolution, when people power forced a re-run of a fraud-tainted election and thwarted his first run for the presidency. "Yanukovich, you are next!" read a poster stuck on the plinth where the red granite statue of Lenin had stood. People hacked off chunks of the prostrate - and now headless - leader of the 1917 Bolshevik revolution to take home as souvenirs.[/quote] [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/08/us-ukraine-idUSBRE9B60DH20131208]Reuters[/url] [img]http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20131208&t=2&i=818525200&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=390&r=CBRE9B71CP100[/img][img]http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20131208&t=2&i=818525285&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=390&r=CBRE9B70S3P00[/img][img]http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20131208&t=2&i=818525344&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=390&r=CBRE9B711RA00[/img][img]http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20131208&t=2&i=818525193&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=390&r=CBRE9B711QI00[/img][img]http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20131208&t=2&i=818525274&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=390&r=CBRE9B711QW00[/img]
That's one badass looking man on the horse.
I fucking love the random Cossack [img]http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20131208&t=2&i=818525344&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=390&r=CBRE9B711RA00[/img]
i kind of find it ironic as lenin was a man against the bourgeois and oligarchs just as they are
[QUOTE=TheKingofBees;43115280]i kind of find it ironic as lenin was a man against the bourgeois and oligarchs just as they are[/QUOTE] its not ironic when the statue represents Ukrainians serfdome to Russia, which is what this is all about.
[QUOTE=TheKingofBees;43115280]i kind of find it ironic as lenin was a man against the bourgeois and oligarchs just as they are[/QUOTE] It also symbolizes the old rule and Russia for them, and that's what they want to get rid of.
From [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1331800"]this thread:[/URL] [QUOTE=Laserbeams;43113815]This was done by a bunch of neo-nazi football hooligans, not by the actual Euromaidan protesters [img]http://img.nr2.ru/pict/arts1/r72/dop1/13/12/262.jpg[/img] The spraypaint on the pedestal says "Glory to our nation, death to the enemies"[/QUOTE]
They should build a statue of Putin to tear down.
that sledgehammer looks massive lmao
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43115248]I fucking love the random Cossack [/QUOTE] [img]http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20131208&t=2&i=818525336&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=390&r=CBRE9B711R800[/img]
It's still not cool knocking a statue over. Granted, there are Lenin statues fucking EVERYWHERE in the former USSR, but still.
But Lenin was a cool guy :(
[QUOTE=TheKingofBees;43115280]i kind of find it ironic as lenin was a man against the bourgeois and oligarchs just as they are[/QUOTE] no, it's ironic that lenin statues were ever erected in the first place.
[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;43115496]But Lenin was a cool guy :([/QUOTE] Yeah, real cool, ordering the deaths of the former royal family.
[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;43115496]But Lenin was a cool guy :([/QUOTE] He overthrew the legitimate government and set up forced labour camps, a secret police, and suppressing freedoms. He also managed to alienate almost all of his supporters and end up betraying them.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;43115516]Yeah, real cool, ordering the deaths of the former royal family.[/QUOTE] That's actually not entirely true, it's not known up to this day who ordered to shoot the Romanov family: was it the bolshevik HQ or it was decided on the spot (the romanovs were held in Yekaterinburg, about a thousand kilometers from St. Petersburg, where Lenin was situationed)
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;43115516]Yeah, real cool, ordering the deaths of the former royal family.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;43115552]He overthrew the legitimate government and set up forced labour camps, a secret police, and suppressing freedoms. He also managed to alienate almost all of his supporters and end up betraying them.[/QUOTE] But he wasn't Stalin!
[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;43115599]But he wasn't Stalin![/QUOTE] Stalin merely inherited the Soviet State as it had been created during the revolution, and took the precedent set by Lenin to its logical conclusion.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43115616]Stalin merely inherited the Soviet State as it had been created during the revolution, and took the precedent set by Lenin to its logical conclusion.[/QUOTE] Actually, again not entirely true. Some time before his death Lenin actually eased up the pressure on the people, allowed the freedom of trade again (look up New Economic Policy) and generally reduced the situation from "nightmare" to "pretty damn shit". Stalin's ideas such as dekulakization, collectivization and other fun repressions were his original content. I'm not defending anyone, I'm just trying to clear up the misunderstandings. [editline]9th December 2013[/editline] Lenin still was the one behind the idea of Red Terror, which was quite horrible on its own. He also was behind the destruction of the russian church, which was a truly barbaric series of acts.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43115616]Stalin merely inherited the Soviet State as it had been created during the revolution, and took the precedent set by Lenin to its logical conclusion.[/QUOTE] um the holodomor wouldn't have happened under lenin, for one.
[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;43115496]But Lenin was a cool guy :([/QUOTE] oh really? he founded USSR, with Trotsky, started a holocaust, etc...
[QUOTE=TheKingofBees;43115280]i kind of find it ironic as lenin was a man against the bourgeois and oligarchs just as they are[/QUOTE] He also didn't care who lived or died as long as his plans were carried out.
[QUOTE=EddieLTU;43115746]oh really? he founded USSR, with Trotsky, started a holocaust, etc...[/QUOTE] lenin didn't start a holocaust
[QUOTE=maxumym;43115695]Actually, again not entirely true. Some time before his death Lenin actually eased up the pressure on the people, allowed the freedom of trade again (look up New Economic Policy) and generally reduced the situation from "nightmare" to "pretty damn shit". Stalin's ideas such as dekulakization, collectivization and other fun repressions were his original content. I'm not defending anyone, I'm just trying to clear up the misunderstandings. [editline]9th December 2013[/editline] Lenin still was the one behind the idea of Red Terror, which was quite horrible on its own. He also was behind the destruction of the russian church, which was a truly barbaric series of acts.[/QUOTE] One of the things Lenin established within the party was to suppress "factionalism". On its own at the time this was not realized, but Stalin would abuse it in later years to gain control of the party. NEP was working quite well, but Lenin was holding off on Communism because the peasantry were so violently opposed to his regime. Stalin decided to fix the problem of the peasantry by liquidating them as a group. [editline]8th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;43115715]um the holodomor wouldn't have happened under lenin, for one.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921[/url]
[QUOTE=EddieLTU;43115746]oh really? he founded USSR, with Trotsky, started a holocaust, etc...[/QUOTE] You're thinking about Stalin, who organized an artificial famine to kill off Ukrainians in the 30's
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43115918]You're thinking about Stalin, who organized an artificial famine to kill off Ukrainians in the 30's[/QUOTE] *some people believe
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43115887][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921[/url][/QUOTE] what does that have to do with holodomor?
This won't end well Without them personally finding the members of the government and impale them, there is no solution that will cause the current government to resign
hmm i bet someone in russia who put the brakes on the EU deal is getting a little pissed off
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43115964]what does that have to do with holodomor?[/QUOTE] The Soviet State was as indifferent to the sufferings of their citizens in 1921 as it was in 1931. It wasn't exactly genocide, but Lenin was clearly capable of allowing so much pointless suffering to happen. During both famines, the Soviet Union exported food to pay for heavy industrial machinery while denying foreign aid. [editline]8th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=NoDachi;43115960]*some people believe[/QUOTE] It's largely accepted that the Holodomor was a genocide.
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