• Michigan State Rep. Lisa Brown Banned from Speaking After Opposing Abortion Law
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[quote=Yahoo.com] [b]This week, Michigan approved one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country -- and House Republicans banned two female Democratic representatives from speaking on the House floor after they opposed the bill. [/b] State Representatives Lisa Brown and Barb Byrum, both Democrats, were not officially told why the ban was put in place or how long it will be enforced, Brown said in a statement on Thursday. "Both Representative Byrum and I were gaveled down without cause yesterday while voicing our opposition to the Republican's war on women here in Michigan," Brown said. "Regardless of their reasoning, this is a violation of my First Amendment rights and directly impedes my ability to serve the people who elected me into office." [b]The bill (HB5711), which passed 70 to 39 with one representative abstaining, would severely restrict women's access to non-abortion health care services by imposing difficult-to-meet regulations that could ultimately force most clinics in the state to close. Another bill, which would criminalize abortions performed after 20 weeks gestation for any reason, was tabled for now.[/b] "I have not asked you to adopt and adhere to my religious beliefs. Why are you asking me to adopt yours?" Brown said. "And finally, Mr. Speaker, I'm flattered that you're all so interested in my vagina, but 'no' means 'no'." "I was either banned for being Jewish and rightfully pointing out that House Bill 5711 was forcing contradictory religious beliefs upon me and any other religion," Brown said in a statement. "Or it is because I said the word 'vagina' which is an anatomically, medically correct term. If they are going to legislate my anatomy, I see no reason why I cannot mention it." According to Ari Adler, a spokesman for the Republican majority, Republican Speaker Pro Tem John Walsh called Brown out of order, not for saying "vagina," but for saying "no means no," something which he says suggested that Brown was comparing the abortion legislation to rape. "What she said was offensive," Republican representative Mike Callton told the Detroit News. "It was so offensive, I don't even want to say it in front of women. I would not say that in mixed company." "If I can't say the word vagina, why are we legislating vaginas?" Brown asked Thursday at a press conference. "What language should I use?" Regardless of where you stand on the abortion debate, what does it mean when elected officials are prohibited from speaking while bills that affect them are being discussed? [/quote] [url="http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/michigan-state-rep-lisa-brown-banned-speaking-opposing-203200889.html"]Source[/url]. This angers me.
How can voicing your stance on something in politics gets you banned from speaking. isn't that one of the major points of politics.
"Land of the Free" - Unless the Republicans have their way, then it's "Land of the wealthy caucasian Christians" Fuck off already, thundercunts.
This entire abortion thing is stupid. The babies don't have any consciousness at that age, they have as much consciousness as a fucking tree. It's not murder if it doesn't know it exists.
Whatever your stance on abortion is, this is just plain fucked up. Restricting the freedom to voice your stance on something sounds very Un-American to me.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;36345354]"Land of the Free" - Unless the Republicans have their way, then it's "Land of the wealthy caucasian Christians" Fuck off already, thundercunts.[/QUOTE] You know, I'd like to think that I usually try to keep an open mind about things, even though I can be pretty damn biased. But in this case, I completely fucking agree with you. I really hope Brown takes some legal action on this. And, personally, legislating what a woman can and cannot do with her own vagina when it affects no other person reminds me a little of rape, yes, Mr. Callton.
This is why you move to Canada
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;36345354]"Land of the Free" - Unless the Republicans have their way, then it's "Land of the wealthy caucasian Christians" Fuck off already, thundercunts.[/QUOTE] Except if the Democrats have their way, it's "Land of the idealistic teenagers and extremists." There is no real middleground between the two. Don't act like one side would make everything peaches and creams whereas the other wouldn't.
Lisa Brown also wrote an opinion article about the whole thing. I'll link it once I'm done reading it. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Strongbad;36345525]Except if the Democrats have their way, it's "Land of the idealistic teenagers and extremists." There is no real middleground between the two. Don't act like one side would make everything peaches and creams whereas the other wouldn't.[/QUOTE] So, are you saying republicans can't be idealistic or extreme? Because things like this seem pretty extreme, if not idealistic.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;36345525]Except if the Democrats have their way, it's "Land of the idealistic teenagers and extremists." There is no real middleground between the two. Don't act like one side would make everything peaches and creams whereas the other wouldn't.[/QUOTE] Who says I am? Besides, I'd rather have that than the backwards morals and beliefs along with forcing "Christian" values onto non-Christians (Christian values = their own values, in this case) the Republicans are trying to implement.
Here's Lisa Brown's version of events: [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/15/vagina-monologue-michigan-gop-lawmakers[/url]
[QUOTE=Penultimate;36345527]So, are you saying republicans can't be idealistic or extreme?[/QUOTE] He explicitly doesn't say that
I live in Michigan and I haven't even heard a thing about this legislation or this Rep... fuck the Republican controlled government of this state.
Abe Lincoln, look at what your party has become.
Wow, this leaves me speechless. I mean, shouldn't the point of view of the women about this matter be taken in consideration a little more? Since they are the ones involved?
[QUOTE=Karmah;36345516]This is why you move to Canada[/QUOTE] canadas conservative party isnt any better no where is good right now
[QUOTE=Karmah;36345516]This is why you move to Canada[/QUOTE] Someone in a state government was kept from [I]just speaking[/I] just once in the US. Yep, America is definitely fucked beyond repair, time to move! [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=LtKyle2;36345687]Abe Lincoln, look at what your party has become.[/QUOTE] If Abe lived today, he would have joined the Democratic Party.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;36345525]Except if the Democrats have their way, it's "Land of the idealistic teenagers and extremists." There is no real middleground between the two. Don't act like one side would make everything peaches and creams whereas the other wouldn't.[/QUOTE] uh what I don't like the Democrats (mostly for the same reason I don't like Republicans) but I'm pretty sure the Libertarians have the market cornered on idealistic teens and extremists. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] When I think Democrat I think "status quo and corporate interests" which is annoying but I don't think extremism.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;36345720]uh what I don't like the Democrats (mostly for the same reason I don't like Republicans) but I'm pretty sure the Libertarians have the market cornered on idealistic teens and extremists. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] When I think Democrat I think "status quo and corporate interests" which is annoying but I don't think extremism.[/QUOTE] I'd estimate that out of idealistic teens, only 10% are Libertarians, while 90% are Democrats.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36345759]I'd estimate that out of idealistic teens, only 10% are Libertarians, while 90% are Democrats.[/QUOTE] I was mostly talking about extremism because I don't know what the fuck an idealistic teen even means. All teens are idealistic, with their wacky and crazy ideas like typing into a phone instead of talking on it and listening to a malfunctioning macbook for music.
i'd estimate that sandwiches are good 75 percent of the time lets all draw conclusions from this number I just said
ron paul 2012 pls vot
I think this bill is more a cry of attention from Michigan. I live here and this state is boring as shit. We need a little controversy.
Silly females. What do they know about abortion?
[QUOTE=Scot;36345865]Silly females. What do they know about abortion?[/QUOTE] the fact that their able to get them and men aren't
[QUOTE=Scot;36345865]Silly females. What do they know about abortion?[/QUOTE] Republicans are against big government until it comes to their insane religious beliefs which need to be pressured onto everyone.
[QUOTE=Scot;36345865]Silly females. What do they know about abortion?[/QUOTE] There are a surprising number of Republican women who oppose abortions. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36345829]i'd estimate that sandwiches are good 75 percent of the time lets all draw conclusions from this number I just said[/QUOTE] If this is about my 10%/90% comment, the point was to say there are far more teenage Democrats than Libertarians. It was not meant to be an exact total.
[QUOTE=Penultimate;36345527]Lisa Brown also wrote an opinion article about the whole thing. I'll link it once I'm done reading it. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] So, are you saying republicans can't be idealistic or extreme? Because things like this seem pretty extreme, if not idealistic.[/QUOTE] Actually I'm pretty much flat out saying that both sides can be. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;36345884]Republicans are against big government until it comes to their insane religious beliefs which need to be pressured onto everyone.[/QUOTE] You clearly have extensive experience in the subject. There's no chance you're just making sweeping generalizations about Republicans. None at all.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;36345525]Except if the Democrats have their way, it's "Land of the idealistic teenagers and extremists." There is no real middleground between the two. Don't act like one side would make everything peaches and creams whereas the other wouldn't.[/QUOTE] The democrats are super moderate, you are thinking of the peace and freedom party
[QUOTE=Strongbad;36345972]Actually I'm pretty much flat out saying that both sides can be. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] You clearly have extensive experience in the subject. There's no chance you're just making sweeping generalizations about Republicans. None at all.[/QUOTE] I don't think saying Republicans push for Christian or Bible inspired laws is too much of a generalization [I]when it's actively going on[/I]
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