• University U-turn over plans to mark International Men's Day following protests
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This is what the university sent to everyone just now: [quote] Dear Student, Many of you will be aware that the University has been the subject of online comment in recent days around the withdrawal of the Equality & Diversity Committee’s statement to mark International Men’s Day (19 November). The University has already acknowledged that the statement caused distress to some members of the University community and has apologised for this. We welcome open and respectful debate on all issues, but over the last few days the nature of that debate in social media has resulted in a distortion of, and distraction from, the core equality issues that the University is seeking to highlight. Our intention throughout has been to raise awareness of gender equality issues as part of our work to address all nine protected characteristics covered by the Equality Act. The focus of this work has been and will remain the inequalities faced by women, and in particular the under-representation of women in the senior academic and managerial ranks. At the same time, where appropriate we will continue to raise other gender equality issues; one example of these is the comparative reluctance of men to access mental health provision as and when they need it. The University’s overriding goal is to ensure that every member of the University community is treated with dignity and respect. We ask all staff and students to abide by this. [/quote]
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49141226]This is what the university sent to everyone just now:[/QUOTE] "one example of these is the comparative reluctance of men to access mental health provision as and when they need it." "feminists never ever mention men's issues we're oppressed"
[QUOTE=.Isak.;49141311]"one example of these is the comparative reluctance of men to access mental health provision as and when they need it." "feminists never ever mention men's issues we're oppressed"[/QUOTE] Oh wow they mentioned it in a cop out email, how amazing of them. The email is total crap and means nothing except "pls don't be angry here's some sweet sprinkly stuff" The first part clearly states that they will keep the focus on women and that's about it. The second statement is simply there as a PR move like all other organizations do. If this is how feminism acts, then men are getting shafted hard and you need to be really blind to not see even a glimpse of that. Feminists mention men's issues but they don't actually do anything or bother to even acknowledge them as important, just like you can see from this email.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;49141519]Oh wow they mentioned it in a cop out email, how amazing of them. The email is total crap and means nothing except "pls don't be angry here's some sweet sprinkly stuff" The first part clearly states that they will keep the focus on women and that's about it. The second statement is simply there as a PR move like all other organizations do. If this is how feminism acts, then men are getting shafted hard and you need to be really blind to not see even a glimpse of that. Feminists mention men's issues but they don't actually do anything or bother to even acknowledge them as important, just like you can see from this email.[/QUOTE] At least it reads like that, and they don't mention reinstating their original mention of International Men's Day whatsoever. I'd rethink my interpretation somewhat if I actually saw them raising awareness of these issues outside of the email though.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;49141311]"one example of these is the comparative reluctance of men to access mental health provision as and when they need it." "feminists never ever mention men's issues we're oppressed"[/QUOTE] Is this a joke? You're seriously using a purely PR email trying to assuage negative sentiment as an example of feminist argument.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49141226]At the same time, where appropriate we will continue to raise other gender equality issues; one example of these is the comparative reluctance of men to access mental health provision as and when they need it.[/QUOTE] Is it just me or does the wording here subtly imply that men "only suffer because they want to"? Could this possibly be victim blaming? Not too sure, I'm pretty tired. Regardless, equality should go all ways. Ignoring a group won't do the whole "equality and diversity" thing any good.
[QUOTE=ScreamingGerbil;49141604]Is it just me or does the wording here subtly imply that men "only suffer because they want to"? Could this possibly be victim blaming? Not too sure, I'm pretty tired. Regardless, equality should go all ways. Ignoring a group won't do the whole "equality and diversity" thing any good.[/QUOTE] The phrase "where appropriate" should be indicator enough that they will do fuck all and no situation will be deemed "appropriate" for such issues.
[QUOTE=ScreamingGerbil;49141604]Is it just me or does the wording here subtly imply that men "only suffer because they want to"? Could this possibly be victim blaming? Not too sure, I'm pretty tired. Regardless, equality should go all ways. Ignoring a group won't do the whole "equality and diversity" thing any good.[/QUOTE] Just poorly worded.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;49134467]Don't bother pointing this out, people are just going to use a "no true scotsman" to defend their ideology.[/QUOTE] you don't know what that is, nor does it apply here
[QUOTE=ScreamingGerbil;49141604]Is it just me or does the wording here subtly imply that men "only suffer because they want to"? Could this possibly be victim blaming? Not too sure, I'm pretty tired. Regardless, equality should go all ways. Ignoring a group won't do the whole "equality and diversity" thing any good.[/QUOTE] You are REALLY grasping as straws here buddy [editline]18th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=itisjuly;49141641]The phrase "where appropriate" should be indicator enough that they will do fuck all and no situation will be deemed "appropriate" for such issues.[/QUOTE] BEYOND grasping at straws
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49134498]I'd like to see how many people are doing it to get out of class[/QUOTE] Its university and you pay for those classes. Why would anybody choose to fuck themselves like that without a true conviction? [QUOTE]It claimed homelessness also mostly impacted men and two in five of all victims of domestic violence were men, 'contradicting the widespread impression that it is almost always women.' It said: "It is important that these issues and their causes and effects are openly discuss."[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Aldawolf;49141701] BEYOND grasping at straws[/QUOTE] I love how feminists sweep stuff like this under the rug. A huge segment of the feminist movement believe that men cannot be abused. They believe that there no problems that greatly affect men [I]because they are men[/I] and actively want to fuck over men because "womyn power". They don't want this event to happen and its pretty obvious so yeah, the "when appropriate" statement pretty much means never.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49141701]You are REALLY grasping as straws here buddy BEYOND grasping at straws[/QUOTE] Straws? The email is full of typical PR speak. And based on all that PR speak, nothing will be done. It's just damage control to appear like the good person. It's the sort of wording that abolishes you of liability while looking good in the eyes of t he public. If the university actually cared, they'd make men's day a thing. Did they? No. That's all you need to see to realize that their words are just words and nothing more.
[QUOTE]Our intention throughout has been to raise awareness of gender equality issues as part of our work to address all nine protected characteristics covered by the Equality Act. The focus of this work has been and will remain the inequalities faced by women, and in particular the under-representation of women in the senior academic and managerial ranks.[/QUOTE] "Our priority is the inequalities that women face." [QUOTE]At the same time, where appropriate we will continue to raise other gender equality issues; one example of these is the comparative reluctance of men to access mental health provision as and when they need it.[/QUOTE] "But if we find time in our hectic schedule of tackling women's issues to raise awareness of a men's issue, we'll throw them a bone. But that's only if nobody minds."
Apparently this decision was made about a day after a male student killed himself.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;49142810]Apparently this decision was made about a day after a male student killed himself.[/QUOTE] I knew the lad who passed away although we were not fiends, but he was best friends with my flatmates. The timing is uncanny but please do not use his death for an agenda as it is not what he would have wanted. Although it does raise concern with the poor coincidental timing, let the dead rest. An article was written which used his death as ammunition to attack the university and the entire community was revolted by it. Although it does raise concern due to the irony, the two should not be intertwined out of respect for those affected.
[QUOTE=scurr;49143403]I knew the lad who passed away although we were not fiends, but he was best friends with my flatmates. The timing is uncanny but please do not use his death for an agenda as it is not what he would have wanted. Although it does raise concern with the poor coincidental timing, let the dead rest. An article was written which used his death as ammunition to attack the university and the entire community was revolted by it. Although it does raise concern due to the irony, the two should not be intertwined out of respect for those affected.[/QUOTE] No agenda intended. I think the thing to do would have been to let the event be held quietly, and then state that such gender specific events will not be held in the future to avoid this thing from being made into a battleground issue. It's an unfortunate situation compounded by an even worse situation, and that's the only reason I brought it up. That and suicides very often precipitate additional suicides, so hopefully your university is taking adequate measures to provide help to those affected since some support was arguably removed. I've lost several friends this way and it really messes everyone near to the deceased up pretty badly. Watch out for your flatmates if you can, and take care of yourself.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;49143785]No agenda intended. I think the thing to do would have been to let the event be held quietly, and then state that such gender specific events will not be held in the future to avoid this thing from being made into a battleground issue. It's an unfortunate situation compounded by an even worse situation, and that's the only reason I brought it up. That and suicides very often precipitate additional suicides, so hopefully your university is taking adequate measures to provide help to those affected since some support was arguably removed. I've lost several friends this way and it really messes everyone near to the deceased up pretty badly. Watch out for your flatmates if you can, and take care of yourself.[/QUOTE] The "issue" wasn't necessarily that it was a gender specific event. If you read the open letter, you will see that people were opposed to it because the event was not approached from a feminist stance or view: [QUOTE]According to its official UK website, ‘International Men’s Day’ exists to raise awareness of global issues facing men and boys, and to ‘celebrate the contribution that men make.’ It does not, however, seek a dialogue on such issues with women’s equality campaigns or initiatives. Nor does it acknowledge that the patriarchal structures which underpin society are inimical to both male and female advancement and well•being, or that the achievements of men are celebrated and disproportionately highlighted as a matter of course. We believe in a critical approach towards equality and diversity, which seeks to understand the structural causes of disadvantage.[/QUOTE] They say that "Equality is for all" is misogynistic rhetoric: [QUOTE]The closing remark • ‘gender equality is for everyone’ • echoes misogynistic rhetoric that men’s issues have been drowned out by the focus on women’s rights.[/QUOTE] The irony in that one is that they shut down a day to bring attention to men's issues because they didn't approach it from the position that women's rights wanted them to. And this part is the crux of the issue: [QUOTE]We believe that men’s issues cannot be approached in the same way as unfairness and discrimination towards women, because women are structurally unequal to men. We recognise that patriarchy is damaging to both men and women, and we are in support of a discussion concerning this, as well as increased attention to specific issues surrounding men’s health. We do not, however, believe that the university statement engages with these complex issues with sufficient nuance or understanding. The failure of the Equality and Diversity Committee to do so undermines their self•proclaimed commitment to genderequality, and leaves us deeply concerned that their supposed investment in women’s rights is mere lip service.[/QUOTE] "You won't approach men's issues the way we want you to, so you don't support women's rights."
Its funny that people here once kept parroting "these people dont exist!" Then a male student commits suicide the day this happens.
Women's issues are huge, but that doesn't mean that men don't have issues to be addressed. I think every group of people have something that should be addressed.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;49143785]No agenda intended. I think the thing to do would have been to let the event be held quietly, and then state that such gender specific events will not be held in the future to avoid this thing from being made into a battleground issue. It's an unfortunate situation compounded by an even worse situation, and that's the only reason I brought it up. That and suicides very often precipitate additional suicides, so hopefully your university is taking adequate measures to provide help to those affected since some support was arguably removed. I've lost several friends this way and it really messes everyone near to the deceased up pretty badly. Watch out for your flatmates if you can, and take care of yourself.[/QUOTE] Thanks for the kind message mate, they're coping well.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;49132850]It's 2015 already but people are still morons. How sad.[/QUOTE] I bet that five thousan years later people will say 'it's friggen 7015 people why is everyone but me a fucking cockgurgling idiot'
[QUOTE=Recurracy;49145600]I bet that five thousan years later people will say 'it's friggen 7015 people why is everyone but me a fucking cockgurgling idiot'[/QUOTE] It's the laziest of excuses and I hate that people find it acceptable to use.
[QUOTE=Recurracy;49145600]I bet that five thousan years later people will say 'it's friggen 7015 people why is everyone but me a fucking cockgurgling idiot'[/QUOTE] That's right. "It's 2015" is the stupidest "reason" and means fuck all. As if it being 2015 changes things compared to it being 2014 or 2016. It does not. The whole statement is a blanket.
Real life is officially parodying itself. We have an impotent celebrity running for President, colleges slamming gender equality to "promote equality for women", and they're making a movie about emojis. The world has truly gone mad.
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