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[QUOTE=Aman;52580273]So 500? 600? Does it really matter? These people are insignificant nobodies and people make them out like they have any real power or reach. They are fucking insignificant losers. [/QUOTE] [URL="http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/14/fbi-and-dhs-warned-of-growing-threat-from-white-supremacists-months-ago/"]Law enforcement disagrees[/URL]. [QUOTE=Aman;52580273]When we have real Weimar style street brawls, deaths, and numbers, then you have a bad situation to worry about. [/QUOTE] How about we prevent that from happening.
[QUOTE=Aman;52580273]So 500? 600? Does it really matter? These people are insignificant nobodies and people make them out like they have any real power or reach. They are fucking insignificant losers. When we have real Weimar style street brawls, deaths, and numbers, then you have a bad situation to worry about.[/QUOTE] I was told in school that is the exact reason the Nazi's were capable of overtaking Germany.
[QUOTE=MedicWine;52580296]I was told in school that is the exact reason the Nazi's were capable of overtaking Germany.[/QUOTE] That's because it was. Sure, it was a little more complicated than that, but by the time people realized 'oh, wow they're actually a threat' it was about the time they were under their thumb and people were getting conscripted by force into their ranks.
I don't care if there's one nazi or a million nazis, they're all a threat to minorities.
[QUOTE=Aman;52580291]Sensationalist in the sense of giving insane people a spotlight they dont even deserve. But, with a death happening now it's got headlines.[/QUOTE] It's not giving anyone a spotlight its reporting events. That's what news does. What are you even arguing right now.
Typical hysterical leftist media getting hung up over a few nazis and they haven't even set up their first death camp. Wake me and Aman up when they've killed a million Jews because there's really nothing to worry about until then right guys
[QUOTE=orcywoo6;52578318]Hahaha yes because us white people are definitely out there culling other races in the year 2017. What the fuck is with this dribble that keeps getting spewed? All that's happened is some idiots swarmed a car and got run over, it was bound to happen. I would fucking panic too if a load of armed people came at my car. [/QUOTE] I know this was a few pages ago, but can I just say how fucking creepy I find this. There are fucking videos of what happened, you can look them up and see that this not what fucking happened. They were posted in this exact thread. A car driven by a fucking Nazi, at a Nazi rally, speeds into a dense crowd of people who desperately try to disperse- and kills one of them. But because so many people never leave their preferred media bubble, they simply accept the version of events they have been shown and set off into internet comment sections to repeat [b]"Leave us white people alone!!!, Stop calling people Nazis!!!, What do you expect if you attack a car!!!"[/b] until they get fucking banned/blocked because they seem unable to retain any new information people replying to them are providing.
I'm done arguing for now, but if you guys genuinely think neo Nazis are capable of seizing the American government and taking over the country in the next 4 years you're living in a delusional world.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52580305]It's not giving anyone a spotlight its reporting events. That's what news does. What are you even arguing right now.[/QUOTE] He's arguing that Nazis aren't a threat because they aren't yet organized - so we should wait until they are and not give a shit about them until that time comes. Because, I dunno, they need a handicap and that wouldn't be fair to stop them before they could really get their ball rolling. [quote]I'm done arguing for now, but if you guys genuinely think neo Nazis are capable of seizing the American government and taking over the country you're living in a delusional world.[/quote] [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Reichstagsbrand.jpg/240px-Reichstagsbrand.jpg[/img] [I]"Hah! The Nazis will never come into power. Look at them trying to blame their problems on other parties who they say are attacking them - who'd ever take them seriously? It's all obviously lies and the public knows better than to trust liars."[/I] I'd rather live in a world where we respect history and understand that to avoid it repeating we must [I]learn[/I] from it.
[QUOTE=Aman;52580315]I'm done arguing for now, but if you guys genuinely think neo Nazis are capable of seizing the American government and taking over the country in the next 4 years you're living in a delusional world.[/QUOTE] Come back when you're actually able to form a coherent argument about why Nazi's aren't a threat.
[QUOTE=Aman;52580273]So 500? 600? Does it really matter? These people are insignificant nobodies and people make them out like they have any real power or reach. They are fucking insignificant losers. When we have real Weimar style street brawls, deaths, and numbers, then you have a bad situation to worry about.[/QUOTE] "ughh why wont you stop caring until it's too late??!?" Letting awful ideologies fester and grow like that is precisely how various fascist regimes came to power throughout history. People just assumed "haha those nerds aren't a threat" until it was far too late as those nerds had already managed to get into government, or gather enough numbers to rise up. Squash fascism whilst it's still a mere pinprick, don't let it grow into a gaping wound in your society. As soon as you've got "Weimar style street brawls", "deaths" and "numbers", it'll be exponentially harder to stop the bastards.
[QUOTE=Aman;52580315]I'm done arguing for now, but if you guys genuinely think neo Nazis are capable of seizing the American government and taking over the country you're living in a delusional world.[/QUOTE] Whether or not they're capable of seizing government doesn't matter they're literally advocating for the genocide of minorities dude, that's enough of a threat for me to not give a shit how many there are or how "powerful" they are. If one of them sees fit to mow down a bunch of counter protestors with zero regard for their lives, then there are bound to be more who see no issue with this course of action. It's happened before. It's happening now. It will happen again in the future but this time it could be more victims. This time it could be children. This time it could be the elderly. Again, you're downplaying a [I]very real threat[/I] just because it's not "big enough" to warrant action in your mind. If you're gonna sit back and relax because regardless of how powerful naziism becomes in America because it doesn't affect you, then fine. But don't try to convince other people "not to worry" just because [I]you[/I] don't perceive it as a viable threat.
[QUOTE=Aman;52580273]So 500? 600? Does it really matter? These people are insignificant nobodies and people make them out like they have any real power or reach. They are fucking insignificant losers. When we have real Weimar style street brawls, deaths, and numbers, then you have a bad situation to worry about.[/QUOTE] "Terrorism doesn't matter unless (insert number) people die." [editline]16th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Aman;52580315]I'm done arguing for now, but if you guys genuinely think neo Nazis are capable of seizing the American government and taking over the country in the next 4 years you're living in a delusional world.[/QUOTE] Literally [I]fucking nobody[/I] said anything remotely like that. Trump legitimizing racists and empowering them =/= "nazis are going to seize the government and take over the country in 4 years." I'm concerned about the precedent this event sets - not that they're going to take over the country. Where do you even get that idea?
[QUOTE=.Isak.;52580372]Where do you even get that idea?[/QUOTE] he had to make up a strawman to make himself right
[QUOTE=Aman;52580315]I'm done arguing for now, but if you guys genuinely think neo Nazis are capable of seizing the American government and taking over the country in the next 4 years you're living in a delusional world.[/QUOTE] Must be p nice not having to worry about fascists wanting you dead. Numbers mean absolute dick. Every single nazi/fascist that exists is one too many. They should be given no platform, no power and no place to spread ideals of genocide. I mean for fucks sake we had a war over why this is bad; the whole world was involved.
[QUOTE=Pascall;52580328]Whether or not they're capable of seizing government doesn't matter they're literally advocating for the genocide of minorities dude, that's enough of a threat for me to not give a shit how many there are or how "powerful" they are. If one of them sees fit to mow down a bunch of counter protestors with zero regard for their lives, then there are bound to be more who see no issue with this course of action. It's happened before. It's happening now. It will happen again in the future but this time it could be more victims. This time it could be children. This time it could be the elderly. Again, you're downplaying a [I]very real threat[/I] just because it's not "big enough" to warrant action in your mind. If you're gonna sit back and relax because regardless of how powerful naziism becomes in America because it doesn't affect you, then fine. But don't try to convince other people "not to worry" just because [I]you[/I] don't perceive it as a viable threat.[/QUOTE] Funny, when right wing nationalism took uprising in Ukraine nobody in USA appeared with a message like this. [img]http://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/AP_17029648794409.jpg[/img] [img]http://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*mrm16_5GM4mU-U3ALOGyFQ.jpeg[/img] I guess far-right extremism was ok back then.
[QUOTE=Aman;52580225]Random tv news claimed 300ish. Do you have number? How many do you think were there? How many bonified neo Nazis do you think are in the US?[/QUOTE] I really don't like to bring up nationality but I'm still a little baffled at the idea of a person from Canada telling a person in a small midwestern town how many Nazi's are around. Like I somehow can't see my environment in person, but you can see it from another country? 3/3 of my parents (long story) are self proclaimed racists saying things like "all black people are inherently theives" kind of racist. My own parents, and [I]all[/I] of them. When I met my ex's dad for the first time (shoulda been a really safe one, they're hispanic) he had more swastikas tattooed on him than you could count without asking him to spin in circles. In the past month I've been called "nigger" for having dreadlocks as a white person [I]more than once[/I]. Now this one could be untrue as it's secondhand, but I've had friends claim that there are already people buying tiki torches from Rural King 2-6 at a time. It's here man. I don't know (with certainty) that they're growing in numbers, but they're growing in anger and are [I]very very real.[/I]
[media]https://twitter.com/thehill/status/897887464622313475[/media] Edit: kinda Clickbait Title, He stands by President Trump, but stands by his own words in Colombia.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;52580416]Funny, when right wing nationalism took uprising in Ukraine nobody in USA appeared with a message like this. I guess far-right extremism was ok back then.[/QUOTE] Of course it's not okay. I can't go back in time and comment on something I wasn't aware of.
It is the VP's job more or less to agree with whatever the President says but wow. Pence just blew off a whole leg for his potential presidential campaign right there.
[QUOTE=Aman;52580315]I'm done arguing for now, but if you guys genuinely think neo Nazis are capable of seizing the American government and taking over the country in the next 4 years you're living in a delusional world.[/QUOTE] The [I]President [/I]is a Nazi sympathizer and continues to try his hardest to fight separation of powers and freedom of press, I'd say we've let it come too far already
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52580447]It is the VP's job more or less to agree with whatever the President says but wow. Pence just blew off a whole leg for his potential presidential campaign right there.[/QUOTE] I'm optimistic that by 2020, anyone who touched the Trump administration with a ten-foot pole is going to be essentially blacklisted from office. No Republican is going to want to have to drag that weight behind them. It hasn't even been a single year yet - three more and Trump will unilaterally be the most despised president in the history of the country. His staffers will either be jailed when the investigation concludes, or they'll never work in politics again. I mean, it's optimistic, and it assumes that the GOP will realize how hard they fucked up and will swing back to not being fucking batshit insane by the next election, but it could go the other way, too.
Pence just comes across as such a pathetic yes man
Tony Scwartz thinks Trump Want's out and will resign before Mueller will get him
[quote]I mean, it's optimistic, and it assumes that the GOP will realize how hard they fucked up and will swing back to not being fucking batshit insane by the next election, but it could go the other way, too.[/quote] Unfortunately, if they're waiting for Mueller to finish his investigation so that they can with grounds impeach the President (as if there didn't exist good grounds right now but grounds that don't 'alienate Trump's base' - even though the simple act of impeaching him alienates Trump's base no [I]matter[/I] how many or what laws he's broken or how guilty he is of being a Russian puppet) the party is going to be so radioactive that I think it'd be a better idea for them to just go underground for a few years and actually compromise in the government. Nothing would make the GOP shatter in the public's eye than trying to play off that they weren't in at least some fashion complicit with everything Trump is and has been doing. They're going to have to either form a new party or make the world's largest 'mea culpa' and start planning to try and win elections again in 2032.
[QUOTE=Pascall;52580441]Of course it's not okay. I can't go back in time and comment on something I wasn't aware of.[/QUOTE] That's the problem, western media was too busy painting Ukraine victim not giving a damn about crap that was done in the sake of MAidan revolution, and even when it was brought up, there was always same excuses as the ones you posted. Soo maybe it's deserved as a painful lesson about double standarts.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52580466]Tony Scwartz thinks Trump Want's out and will resign before Mueller will get him[/QUOTE] It's funny if this is true, mostly because that's not how it works at all. The investigation doesn't just [I]end[/I] if he leaves office. And if this did happen, and Pence pardoned him, he'd be admitting his guilt in the Russia fiasco. It's hard to tell with Trump, though. Will his cowardice win out and make him resign, or will his idiocy and stubbornness win out and make him tough through it until he's in jail?
[QUOTE=karimatrix;52580473]That's the problem, western media was too busy painting Ukraine victim not giving a damn about crap that was done in the sake of MAidan revolution, and even when it was brought up, there was always same excuses as the ones you posted. Soo maybe it's deserved as a painful lesson about double standarts.[/QUOTE] I don't think minorities deserve to be terrorized by neo-nazis because our [I]media[/I] is awful at making us aware of things outside of our own borders. This doesn't have much to do with this thread in particular besides your apparent need for some kind of weird vengeance.
[QUOTE=Pascall;52580489]I don't think minorities deserve to be terrorized by neo-nazis because our [I]media[/I] is awful at making us aware of things outside of our own borders. This doesn't have much to do with this thread in particular besides your apparent need for some kind of weird vengeance.[/QUOTE] There is no vengeance here, if country practices double standarts for years at it foreign policy (waving at Saudi Arabia, best usa pal yeh?) and citizens support said actions by a large margin despite proclaimation about their democracy and rights, then maybe only way for them to understand futily is to experience firsthand. Perhabs it could've been done other way, but it's not. Soo better take a valuable lesson out of it and think twice before allowing your goverment to support nationalists abroad.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;52580509]There is no vengeance here, if country practices double standarts for years at it foreign policy (waving at Saudi Arabia, best usa pal yeh?) and citizens support said actions by a large margin despite proclaimation about their democracy and rights, then maybe only way for them to understand futily is to experience firsthand. Perhabs it could've been done other way, but it's not. Soo better take a valuable lesson out of it and think twice before allowing your goverment to support nationalists abroad.[/QUOTE] I vehemently despise Saudi Arabia and my government's alliance with Saudi Arabia. You saying that it's a "double standard" for an individual to condemn right-wing extremism when their government supports other extremists abroad is laughable. I'd love a citation that "citizens support said actions by a large margin," because I've genuinely never met a single person who supports Saudi Arabia, left or right. We have a long history of supporting right-wing extremism, yes, and I condemn every single time my government has done that. You saying that we "support said actions by a large margin" is just false - it's like saying that you must want Putin to hack foreign elections and rig his own, exclusively because you're Russian. It's idiotic. I'm not sure how Ukraine is relevant - we're all here, condemning our government for supporting right-wing extremism, and you're accusing us of... supporting our government for supporting right-wing extremism? When we never did?
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