• The FBI can't find any Programmers to fight Cyber Crime . Zero Tolerance Policy. All Programmers are
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[url]http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/21/fbi-director-zero-tolerance-pot-policy-kills-our-ability-to-hire-cyber-war-programmers/[/url] [QUOTE]FBI director James Comey said this week that the bureau may be forced to change its drug policy because the U.S. could not find enough programmers who did not use marijuana to fight cyber crime. According to The Wall Street Journal, Comey told the White Collar Crime Institute’s annual conference on Monday that it was going to be difficult to fill the 2,000 new jobs that Congress had authorized this year. “I have to hire a great work force to compete with those cyber criminals and some of those kids want to smoke weed on the way to the interview,” Comey explained. The FBI was in the process of “grappling with the question right now” of how to change the drug policy, Comey said. The current policy forbids hiring anyone who has used marijuana within a three year period. Comey insisted that people should not let their pot use stop them from seeking a job at the agency after one attendee said that a friend had decided not to apply over the policy. “He should go ahead and apply,” Comey advised.[/QUOTE] Ok.
Lol. Maybe they should just legalise it?
what about hackers on steroids?
I'd understand not hiring because someone decided to get high right before the interview, that's extremely unprofessional. if its just because they smoke pot in general, then its pretty dumb.
[QUOTE=Intense Funkid;44876939]I'd understand not hiring because someone decided to get high right before the interview, that's extremely unprofessional. if its just because they smoke pot in general, then its pretty dumb.[/QUOTE] Some people can't relax without smoking weed [sp]Most dumbs I've ever had, not sure if I should consider than an achievement[/sp]
If you smoke pot on the way to your job interview you shouldn't receive the job. [editline]22nd May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=joshdasmif;44876947]Some people can't relax without smoking weed[/QUOTE] Yeah, well, then you should do something about it. Weed is just a temporary (and a very bad) fix.
almost any government agency will have that rule it's why I've never touched weed even in states where it's legal you can't work for a gov. agency without agreeing to not use it the "just legalize it then" argument is stupid, the FBI can't legalize anything tbh people who constantly bitch and moan about legalizing weed are some of the most intolerable human beings on this planet like seriously shut the fuck up already omg
[QUOTE=Intense Funkid;44876939]I'd understand not hiring because someone decided to get high right before the interview, that's extremely unprofessional. if its just because they smoke pot in general, then its pretty dumb.[/QUOTE] Isn't it impossible to program without weed?
[QUOTE=Mango;44876960]If you smoke pot on the way to your job interview you shouldn't receive the job. [editline]22nd May 2014[/editline] Yeah, well, then you should do something about it. Weed is just a temporary (and a very bad) fix.[/QUOTE] It really is the only thing that works, I've got very bad anxiety and have panic attacks if I don't smoke it. I'm on Zoloft/Sertraline, was on fluoxetine before and they seemed to make my anxiety worse.. Weed calms me it's nice
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44876975]Isn't it impossible to program without weed?[/QUOTE] that would be caffeine
[QUOTE=Mango;44876960] Yeah, well, then you should do something about it. Weed is just a temporary (and a very bad) fix.[/QUOTE] It does the job fairly well.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;44876981]It really is the only thing that works, I've got very bad anxiety and have panic attacks if I don't smoke it. I'm on Zoloft/Sertraline, was on fluoxetine before and they seemed to make my anxiety worse.. Weed calms me it's nice[/QUOTE] Yeah, it used to calm me too. Then I started hearing stuff, and became delusional. Started taking other drugs, ended up taking amphetamines and strong benzodiasepines almost daily. Now however, after treatment, I ain't fixed, but I'm working on it. This is only me though, I ain't saying weed leads to heroine in all cases. Drugs and medicines ain't a solution. It could be a crutch to be used alongside therapy (dosed and regulated properly) but most often it's just something to disguise the problems. [editline]22nd May 2014[/editline] Fyi I'm pro legalisation (of all drugs). However, that's another topic. [editline]22nd May 2014[/editline] If you need drugs to cope with everyday life, you need help.
[QUOTE=Mango;44876960]If you smoke pot on the way to your job interview you shouldn't receive the job. [/QUOTE] I agree, but not hiring someone because they smoked a joint 3 years earlier is a fucking retarded policy. Within 1 year at max.
[QUOTE=booster;44877094]I agree, but not hiring someone because they smoked a joint 3 years earlier is a fucking retarded policy. Within 1 year at max.[/QUOTE] Very true.
[QUOTE=dbk21894;44876968]almost any government agency will have that rule it's why I've never touched weed even in states where it's legal you can't work for a gov. agency without agreeing to not use it the "just legalize it then" argument is stupid, the FBI can't legalize anything tbh people who constantly bitch and moan about legalizing weed are some of the most intolerable human beings on this planet like seriously shut the fuck up already omg[/QUOTE] yeah fuck all of those intolerable people who want to be able to freely make their own choices. if there's subhuman scum on this earth, those people are the textbook definition. aka calm down, maybe you could use a puff or two? or maybe you just havent seen people's lives fucked over because of 1 g
[QUOTE=dbk21894;44876968]almost any government agency will have that rule it's why I've never touched weed even in states where it's legal you can't work for a gov. agency without agreeing to not use it the "just legalize it then" argument is stupid, the FBI can't legalize anything [B]tbh people who constantly bitch and moan about legalizing weed are some of the most intolerable human beings on this planet[/B] like seriously shut the fuck up already omg[/QUOTE]What? Hahahah wow I never thought I would ever see someone say this and actually have people agreeing with it because it makes no fucking sense. You don't want to hear it then too bad, because people are going to keep bitching and moaning about it until it's made legal. oh no here come the FP anti-drug drones Edit: Oh yeah I forgot, you also say you've never smoked weed yet you're marginalizing people who do and want it to be legal, making you come off as an even bigger idiot congratulations.
It's pretty hard to find a GOOD IT guy who doesn't do some drug or alcohol usage.
[quote]FBI director James Comey said this week that the bureau may be forced to change its drug policy because the U.S. could not find enough programmers who did not use marijuana to fight cyber crime.[/quote] Personally, I would think that programmers would use programs to fight cyber crime, but I guess if marijuana works then okay[url=http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=rimshot&play=true]![/url]
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;44877248]It's pretty hard to find a GOOD IT guy who doesn't do some drug or alcohol usage.[/QUOTE] alcohol usage isn't illegal
[QUOTE=SexualShark;44876935]what about hackers on steroids?[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/H3rushH.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=booster;44877094]I agree, but not hiring someone because they smoked a joint 3 years earlier is a fucking retarded policy. Within 1 year at max.[/QUOTE] the funny thing is that's probably the easiest fix, I mean most of these guys are coming out of college anyway, Its probably garenteed that they've tried it sometime but 3 years is a long period 6 months would be an easy quick fix, but watch they'll spend another 8 months scratching their heads over what to do
[QUOTE=Killer900;44877241]What? Hahahah wow I never thought I would ever see someone say this and actually have people agreeing with it because it makes no fucking sense. You don't want to hear it then too bad, because people are going to keep bitching and moaning about it until it's made legal. oh no here come the FP anti-drug drones[/QUOTE] You should know by now that a lot of Facepunch works by bandwagons
I'm a programmer but I dont smoke weed, coolio.
[QUOTE=dbk21894;44876968]almost any government agency will have that rule it's why I've never touched weed even in states where it's legal you can't work for a gov. agency without agreeing to not use it the "just legalize it then" argument is stupid, the FBI can't legalize anything tbh people who constantly bitch and moan about legalizing weed are some of the most intolerable human beings on this planet like seriously shut the fuck up already omg[/QUOTE] Tbh I find people like you who whine about people who talk about "legalizing it" just as intolerable and annoying; especially when you make it clear how much it bothers you. There is still stigma surrounding weed, and there will be for a long time. So you can't really say much to change that people will want to "legalize it". But yeah, I'm not really surprised that govt jobs have always said fuck weed. But I find insane how the FBI is actually considering changing that.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;44877673]I'm a programmer but I dont smoke weed, coolio.[/QUOTE] caffeine is the real holy grail of programming
[QUOTE=dbk21894;44876968]almost any government agency will have that rule it's why I've never touched weed even in states where it's legal you can't work for a gov. agency without agreeing to not use it[/QUOTE] That's not exactly true. I've worked for a couple of government agencies and held a security clearance, and the rule has always been that whatever you've done, you need to talk about it, but it's not an automatic fail. For most new hires the common issues are illegal downloading, underage drinking back in college, and party drugs. I knew a girl who freely admitted to having taken LSD almost every weekend in college and she got a job at an intelligence agency. Nobody's perfect and people change, and every agency recognizes this, hence why their policy is 'your past is forgiven but don't do it again'. The reason the FBI's different is that they're law enforcement. You don't want a law enforcement officer with a history of ignoring the law, even if it's over something as seemingly trivial as weed. An agency that vests that much power in individual people has to carefully choose employees who will obey the law to the utmost, because they're being entrusted to respect the laws that protect the people both from each other and from the government.
Reasonable for every goverment force. In Russia we have that too. I find it logical. [b]However[/b] I guess the FBI has other reasons to have no recruits. IT recruitment is a BIG problem (especially when you need Security expert) for companies that can offer huge wage, long annual leave, annual $100 000 in stock, free gym, free food, random gifts, gifts on all holidays (top notch smartphones). You all know who I am talking about. I don't think FBI offers much of that: I heard even the top NSA engineers earn a mediocore income. Add the security concerns and the fact that [b]every sane engineer[/b] understands that he will be spying on people on that job, and you have the formula of not being attractive to potential employees.
But how would they know if you've used it in the past 3 years? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought marijuana stays in your hair about half a year max??
[QUOTE=dbk21894;44876968]almost any government agency will have that rule it's why I've never touched weed even in states where it's legal you can't work for a gov. agency without agreeing to not use it the "just legalize it then" argument is stupid, the FBI can't legalize anything tbh people who constantly bitch and moan about legalizing weed are some of the most intolerable human beings on this planet like seriously shut the fuck up already omg[/QUOTE] This is so hilarious. You do realize it is the FBI who is unable to find enough programmers right? If anyone is criticising the drug policies right now, it is a federal institution. The statement was made by the FBI director. Man what I would give to be as high as you are without drugs.
[QUOTE=MellowHype;44878034]But how would they know if you've used it in the past 3 years? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought marijuana stays in your hair about half a year max??[/QUOTE] Background investigation, polygraphs, interviews with friends and family are all standard procedure for a security investigation. It's not all medical examination. [QUOTE=Fetret;44878042]This is so hilarious. You do realize it is the FBI who is unable to find enough programmers right? If anyone is criticising the drug policies right now, it is a federal institution. The statement was made by the FBI director.[/QUOTE] It's not the fault of their drug policy that so many prospective employees are choosing to use weed. Their policy is to not hire people who fail to obey drug laws, and there are quite a few good reasons for that. As long as weed is considered an illegal drug, they have to treat its use the same as any other drug, and they're in no position to decide that one illegal drug is acceptable and another is not. FBI doesn't make policy, they enforce it.
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