• Quebec beekeeper accused of Nazi war crimes
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They could just want closure.
Even if he did participate in those war crimes I doubt he had a choice, fighting for the Nazi's and all. I'm pretty sure if they were to disobey orders they'd be shot.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35730546]I say put him on trial, no one should be allowed to get away with this stuff, age shouldn't factor in.[/QUOTE] If being dumb was a crime....
That guy looks great at 90
Way to go, you're trying to throw a peaceful old man in jail where he will surely die, solely because of something he may or may not have been forced to do in WW2 just because you want to get even. This is pathetic.
The guy hardly seems like much of an antisemitist any more, I doubt any of his views are still in him, he just wants to live in peace.
[QUOTE=The mouse;35730267]I like how noone ever acknowledges allied war crimes, but pursue single 90year old axis soldiers.[/QUOTE] That's because the Nazis did it first, so anything the allies did was 'just retaliation,' and nobody comments on it.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;35736662]That's because the Nazis did it first, so anything the allies did was 'just retaliation,' and nobody comments on it.[/QUOTE] Let's not forget Japanese war crimes. The Nazis didn't do it first. The Japanese had Unit 731, after all, which was founded in 1935. Long before the Nazi death camps. As well as the Rape of Nanking which started around 1937. Before Germany even entered the war. And there's no justification for the Rape of Berlin by Soviet troops.
[QUOTE=Paravin;35730507]How about, instead of chasing after dying Nazis, the world turns its fucking head to Russia and takes care of the SHITLOAD of political and war criminals who have nested there under the protection of the government? Oh wait, no one will do a thing, because USSR won the war and the last 70 years in Eastern Europe [B]NEVER[/B] existed.[/QUOTE] Rabble rabble Stalin was a great man! rabble rabble, he made Russia a super power! All at the cost of millions and millions of people's lives, not to mention the atrocities he committed in WW2 alone. People seriously ignore the things that happened on Russia's end of the 20th century. Scratch that people ignore the fucked up shit that happened on every major super power in WW2's end. Because Japan, and especially the US are far from having clean hands. But it's all Nazis Nazis Nazis.
[QUOTE=SwissArmyKnife;35736691]Rabble rabble Stalin was a great man! rabble rabble, he made Russia a super power! All at the cost of millions and millions of people's lives, not to mention the atrocities he committed in WW2 alone. People seriously ignore the things that happened on Russia's end of the 20th century. Scratch that people ignore the fucked up shit that happened on every major super power in WW2's end. Because Japan, and especially the US are far from having clean hands. But it's all Nazis Nazis Nazis.[/QUOTE] Uhh, the US didn't mutilate and sadistically torture innocent civilians (you ever have horse urine injected into your kidneys just to see what would happen?). Sure, we ended up providing safe harbor for the Japanese war criminals in return for their research, which is absolutely despicable and inexcusable, but I don't think that warrants anyone to say "especially the US", when Japan is the only other country in that list. What Japan did was something that no human being should be capable of doing. There is absolutely no comparison.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;35736681]Let's not forget Japanese war crimes. The Nazis didn't do it first. The Japanese had Unit 731, after all, which was founded in 1935. Long before the Nazi death camps. As well as the Rape of Nanking which started around 1937. Before Germany even entered the war. And there's no justification for the Rape of Berlin by Soviet troops.[/QUOTE] Good point, the Axis did it first*
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;35736813]Uhh, the US didn't mutilate and sadistically torture innocent civilians (you ever have horse urine injected into your kidneys just to see what would happen?). Sure, we ended up providing safe harbor for the Japanese war criminals in return for their research, which is absolutely despicable and inexcusable, but I don't think that warrants anyone to say "especially the US", when Japan is the only other country in that list. What Japan did was something that no human being should be capable of doing. There is absolutely no comparison.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's not like the US organized and proposed shit like the Dresden bombings - justifying it by saying they were targeting 'industrial complexes' when in reality most researchers agree that Dresden was 'a cultural landmark of little or no military significance, and that the attacks were indiscriminate area bombing and not proportionate to the commensurate military gains.' Never happened, right? Or the countless of war crimes committed during the war with Japan, lets just sweep that under the rug. It's not like US operations in Italy led to several massacres [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscari_massacre[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canicatt%C3%AC_massacre[/url] Comparing the number of casualties to determine if you're more/less guilty than the other is fucking despicable. Whether you murdered 100 while they - a 1000 it hardly matters. The fact is all countries are responsible for some unjustifiable shit. So more so than others, but it [I]does not matter[/I] because measuring the level of cruelty with human lives just to reinforce your closet nationalism is atrocious. And before you throw another 'Tu quoque' fallacy my way, yes - Im aware the SU and Japan also did some terrible shit. Im not saying they haven't, Im saying you need to own up to your mistakes and admit you made them wholeheartedly rather than downsize problems and go "yeah well were bad but were not that bad" [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SwissArmyKnife;35736691]All at the cost of millions and millions of people's lives, not to mention the atrocities he committed in WW2 alone. People seriously ignore the things that happened on Russia's end of the 20th century.[/QUOTE] What fantasy land are you living in exactly? The entire world knows about Soviet war crimes, in fact that's what the Red Army is mostly known for. Stalin is also often deemed just as bad if not worse than Hitler. Nobody is 'ignoring' anything.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;35736813]What Japan did was something that no human being should be capable of doing. There is absolutely no comparison.[/QUOTE] Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35737443]Hiroshima and Nagasaki.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say it's necessarily worse than your standard bombings, apart from the radiation.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;35737504]I wouldn't say it's necessarily worse than your standard bombings, apart from the radiation.[/QUOTE] apart from the fact that they wiped two civilian cities completely off the map, killing more people in an instant than all the torture japan committed against combatants combined? [editline]27th April 2012[/editline] terrifying fact: initially, Truman was going to bomb the capital (and, you know, the emperor), but a rainstorm was approaching, so on the spur of the moment he decided to bomb a civilian target instead. The bombing of civilian cities was not planned. It was circumstance. A last-minute decision while the bomb was in-flight that wiped thousands of innocent civilians off the face of this Earth. Because Truman didn't want a few Americans to turn on the windshield wipers, he killed thousands of innocent foreign nationals. Don't pretend that isn't monstrous.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35737544]apart from the fact that they wiped two civilian cities completely off the map, killing more people in an instant than all the torture japan committed against combatants combined? [editline]27th April 2012[/editline] terrifying fact: initially, Truman was going to bomb the capital (and, you know, the emperor), but a rainstorm was approaching, so on the spur of the moment he decided to bomb a civilian target instead. The bombing of civilian cities was not planned. It was circumstance. A last-minute decision while the bomb was in-flight that wiped thousands of innocent civilians off the face of this Earth.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but didn't the bombings of Tokyo kill more people? I forget.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;35737504]I wouldn't say it's necessarily worse than your standard bombings, apart from the radiation.[/QUOTE] just the acute bombings caused the death of more than ~200,000, not counting the additional effects, and that's supposedly a conservative count.
Of course, when YOUR side commits atrocities, "it was war." But when the OTHER side commits atrocities, they're evil.
Seems kind of weird that 70 years ago, blowing up civilian targets was just buisness as usual, as it had probably been for that last thousands of years.
Good thing the canadian justice system is about rehabilitation not revenge.
Ugh, not this shit again. Things like that show Nazi Hunters make me cringe so fucking hard. Why are they wasting money and resources tracking down 90 year olds who just want to die alone? All this shit is extremely exaggerated too, taken from Nazi Hunters again "How do you feel about how 6 million Jews were executed?" "I feel very sorry about it." "BUT YOU DID IT!"
[QUOTE=Mingebox;35737582]Yeah, but didn't the bombings of Tokyo kill more people? I forget.[/QUOTE] no. the Tokyo firebombings killed ~125,000 people The blast of the two nukes alone killed ~200,000+, not to mention radiation, looting, and the general anarchy that followed. The act of dropping those bombs was an act of evil if anything at all could be called such a thing. We are the only people in the history of the world to ever use those weapons as belligerents. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki should be a mark of great shame upon the United States and all of the allied nations. Of course, people still defend it because it's impossible that we did something wrong, too.
[QUOTE=ITokez;35736268]If being dumb was a crime....[/QUOTE] Having a different opinion to you doesn't make me dumb, get your head out of your ass.
I don't know, I heard he was still active during the sixties as well. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RON4sTIajqE[/media]
As they say, winners write the history. Losers are portrayed as evil bla bla. Sure nazis were bad but come on, hunting them now? WHY!
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35742845]As they say, winners write the history. Losers are portrayed as evil bla bla. Sure nazis were bad but come on, hunting them now? WHY![/QUOTE] Your crimes don't just disappear because you were good at hiding.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35743034]Your crimes don't just disappear because you were good at hiding.[/QUOTE] What's the point of prosecuting a 91-year old man, when his supposed crime happened 70 years ago?
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;35743051]What's the point of prosecuting a 91-year old man, when his supposed crime happened 70 years ago?[/QUOTE] Because he still committed a war crime, most war criminals are harmless once they go into hiding, we still take them to trial regardless. If you let this guy go you might as well let most of the others go as well.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35743086]Because he still committed a war crime, most war criminals are harmless once they go into hiding, we still take them to trial regardless. If you let this guy go you might as well let most of the others go as well.[/QUOTE] Then why aren't we prosecuting allied or Japanese war criminals? Isn't the law same for everyone?
This is pretty pathetic, going after an old man.
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