• Tobuscus Accused of Rape and Abuse
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Surprised I didn't see this here. [quote]YouTube comedian Toby “Tobuscus” Turner is being accused of sexually abusing his ex-girlfriend.Turner, a viral sensation with more than 15 million followers, allegedly raped fellow YouTube star April Fletcher, also known as April Efff. Fletcher, a video gamer who works for Xbox, claims Turner drugged and sexually abused her while they were dating. She detailed the allegations in a Tumblr post titled “The Truth About Tobuscus: Abuse, rape, drugs, pretty much everything terrible.”[/quote] [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/youtube-star-toby-tobuscus-turner-accused-alleged-rape-article-1.2596563[/url] Tumblr post (TW obviously): [url]http://aprilefff.tumblr.com/post/142456789310/the-truth-about-tobuscus[/url] Before you victim-doubting fucks shout "WHERE'S THE PROOF THO???", here are others with connections with Toby comments: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2fsPshqwc[/url] - Jaclyn Glenn [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYGjfFqZzFQ[/url] - Max Landis I realize that other's claims aren't proof, but keep in mind that evidence for these sort of crimes is RARELY possible to provide, being a very personal and private manor. While in the court of law, it's innocent until proven guilty, however, this isn't the court of law. I feel pretty confident in saying the dude is a piece of fucking shit.
[QUOTE=Jackald;50116958]So is she taking him to court over it?[/QUOTE] Of course, it's called the court of public opinion. [quote=soccerskyman]I realize that other's claims aren't proof, but keep in mind that evidence for these sort of crimes is RARELY possible to provide...[/quote] Actually, no, it's really easy to prove. It's called a rape kit, every hospital has them. They'd also do a blood work-up and look for any drugs. These are all very easy to prove.
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50116950] I realize that other's claims aren't proof, but keep in mind that evidence for these sort of crimes is RARELY possible to provide, being a very personal and private manor. [B]While in the court of law, it's innocent until proven guilty, however, this isn't the court of law[/B]. I feel pretty confident in saying the dude is a piece of fucking shit.[/QUOTE] What in the fucking shit? Did you even read this yourself?
Oh man I totally remember liking his videos when I was younger Guess we'll have to wait and see how it plays out
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;50116980]What in the fucking shit? Did you even read this yourself?[/QUOTE] You might be forgetting he is a white straight male, so he a auto guilty.
[QUOTE=discofex;50117012]You might be forgetting he is a white straight male, so he a auto guilty.[/QUOTE] So much persecution. What can men do against such reckless hate? [sp]Aragorn: Ride out with me. Ride out and meet them. [/sp]
Oh yeah, I saw Pyro do a video about this. I say that its bullshit, remember the time Mattew Santaro was accused or rape by his ex girlfriend and GradeA did a video about it? [video]http://youtube.com/watch?v=B5LlpqU3YpI[/video]
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50117039]So much persecution. What can men do against such reckless hate? [sp]Aragorn: Ride out with me. Ride out and meet them. [/sp][/QUOTE] Yeah the fact men are automatically seen as rapists whenever they are accused of being such really is a laughing matter.
Is it not possible to show her sympathy and also not lynch him? Why does everyone feel the need to attack either of them when we can't really know the truth of the allegations. Surely it's best to assume that both he's innocent until proven guilty, [i]but[/i] she's innocent of lying too. One of them is going through some pretty awful shit right now so they don't need people jumping onto #teamguilty or #teaminnocent without any reason other than predisposed biases.
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50116950] I realize that other's claims aren't proof, but keep in mind that evidence for these sort of crimes is RARELY possible to provide, being a very personal and private manor. [B]While in the court of law, it's innocent until proven guilty[/B], however, this isn't the court of law. I feel pretty confident in saying the dude is a piece of fucking shit.[/QUOTE] It's always innocent until proven guilty, or at least it should be observe: Soccerskyman raped me! you are now guilty of being a piece of shit, I hope all of your social bridges burn and your family disowns you you "piece of fucking shit"(Soccerskyman, 2016, Facepunch)
[QUOTE=_Axel;50117050]Yeah the fact men are automatically seen as rapists whenever they are accused of being such really is a laughing matter.[/QUOTE] Confirmation bias and I'll prove it. [URL="https://rainn.org/news-room/97-of-every-100-rapists-receive-no-punishment"]97 out of 100 rapists receive no punishment[/URL] Other statistics (either by means of requiring more proof or by a more rigid definition of rape put that number at 75% of rapes going unpunished. So if 97 out of 100 rapists (or 75% if you want a best case scenario) receive no punishment how can any rapist, let alone male rapists, be considered guilty before innocent?
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50117071]Confirmation bias and I'll prove it. [URL="https://rainn.org/news-room/97-of-every-100-rapists-receive-no-punishment"]97 out of 100 rapists receive no punishment[/URL] Other statistics (either by means of requiring more proof or by a more rigid definition of rape put that number at 75% of rapes going unpunished. So if 97 out of 100 rapists (or 75% if you want a best case scenario) receive no punishment how can any rapist, let alone male rapists, be considered guilty before innocent?[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about court, but retards who say shit "innocent until proven guilty is only for the courtroom" and assume whatever a potential victim says is true. Also, there [i]is[/i] legal bias against men in instances such as divorce and child custody. Sexism goes both ways and people like you spouting dumb jokes whenever someone brings it up really doesn't help solve the problem.
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50116950]While in the court of law, it's innocent until proven guilty, however, this isn't the court of law.[/QUOTE] You sound like one of the crazies from Tumblr. Proof is usually required when a court case is conducted, just so you know.
[QUOTE=_Axel;50117092]I'm not talking about court, but retards who say shit "innocent until proven guilty is only for the courtroom" and assume whatever a potential victim says is true.[/QUOTE] then agreed and there should be legislation to stop people getting fired/fucked by by unproven claims. That anger shouldn't be take out on potential rape victims though, then nobody wins, false rape claims continue to mess people up and victims will fear reporting rape from the overwhelmingly negative reaction against people who claim they've been raped. [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Jackald;50117096]That statistic is silly. How do you define a rapist if they aren't convicted of rape? [img]https://rainn.org/newsletters/03-2012/updated-reporting-matrix.jpg[/img] How did they get that statistic? 46% of rapes aren't reported to the police, so how on earth did they produce the figure that 54% of rapes go unreported? Unfortunately, it looks like the source page doesn't say. It's possible to accrue a statistic like that from sources other than police records, but I'd like to know the methodology.[/QUOTE] Wait so I state 2 statistics, 1 saying only 25% of rapists get punished. And you retort, seemingly to disprove/oppose my point, with a piece of data suggesting only 9% of rapes get punished. Did you even think about your post? In the best case scenario for that data you have 9 convitions out of 46 arrests. Which is around 20% of rapes getting punished. Still less than the 25% figure. Think of it this way. Most rapists dont get reported, of those who do get reported, most dont get any kind of punishment. Far from guilty before proven innocent. (at least legally see first section of post)
[QUOTE=Jackald;50117117]You seem to be under the mistaken opinion that being arrested for rape is the same thing as being a rapist. The graph I just posted is from the source you posted here: [url]https://rainn.org/news-room/97-of-every-100-rapists-receive-no-punishment[/url][/QUOTE] So how would you identify a rapist? Once they've been convicted? I guess then through flawed circular logic you could happily state that 100% rapes go arrested and that the rest are false claims. Na. Most rapes go unreported of those which are reported most go unprosecuted. Some of those reported might be false claims but the vast majority aren't. If you think its not an issue then IMO wise up
Is she, or is she NOT taking him to court?
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50117099]Wait so I state 2 statistics, 1 saying only 25% of rapists get punished. And you retort, seemingly to disprove/oppose my point, with a piece of data suggesting only 9% of rapes get punished. Did you even think about your post? In the best case scenario for that data you have 9 convitions out of 46 arrests. Which is around 20% of rapes getting punished. Still less than the 25% figure. Think of it this way. Most rapists dont get reported, of those who do get reported, most dont get any kind of punishment. Far from guilty before proven innocent. (at least legally see first section of post)[/QUOTE] I like how you completely ignored the point of his post.
PhullyD (who employed him for awhile) sums this up pretty well: [video]https://youtu.be/AiP6gP4E6XI[/video]
What seems off to me is how she went to tumblr 3 years later instead of the police. I'm not saying that she was or wasn't raped but come on, there is no way she is just trying to get attention to herself.
74% of statistics are made up, and I don't think anyone here as anything new to say about [I]this[/I] matter that hasn't been said about [I]other[/I] rape allegations that have popped up in recent. So how 'bout less fighting over broken stats and more looking at what's laid out so far, before half the posters in here end up flaming each other for about 3 pages in a row?
[QUOTE=Morgen;50117146]PhullyD (who employed him for awhile) sums this up pretty well: [video]https://youtu.be/AiP6gP4E6XI[/video][/QUOTE] I don't want to watch this cunt or his stupid ass face
[QUOTE=highvoltage;50117152]What seems off to me is how she went to tumblr 3 years later instead of the police. I'm not saying that she was or wasn't raped but come on, there is no way she is just trying to get attention to herself.[/QUOTE] I was gonna say, why not go INSTANTLY to the police and just get this shit over in a few days rather than drag it out for ~exposure~
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50116950]While in the court of law, it's innocent until proven guilty, however, this isn't the court of law. I feel pretty confident in saying the dude is a piece of fucking shit.[/QUOTE] So it's perfectly okay to consider someone guilty based on what is basically hearsay? Yeah, that's not messed up at all.
[QUOTE=Robman8908;50117157]74% of statistics are made up, and I don't think anyone here as anything new to say about [I]this[/I] matter that hasn't been said about [I]other[/I] rape allegations that have popped up in recent. So how 'bout less fighting over broken stats and more looking at what's laid out so far, before half the posters in here end up flaming each other for about 3 pages in a row?[/QUOTE] What is laid out though? There's no real evidence for either side at the moment.
[QUOTE=highvoltage;50117152]What seems off to me is how she went to tumblr 3 years later instead of the police. I'm not saying that she was or wasn't raped but come on, there is no way she is just trying to get attention to herself.[/QUOTE] Gotta drum up support somehow, especially when the truth doesn't matter.
This is a good account, I think, of the situation from a nearby observer: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2fsPshqwc[/url] tl;dr points: -Tobuscus is more than a little bit aggressive sexually -Tobuscus has 'problems with monogomy.' -The people accusing him now have slandered him privately in the past, while simultaneously flattering him publicly -There is a real difference between 'rape' and regretting something someone pressured you in to (this goes back to #1) It's an interesting assessment. That [I]said,[/I] it is a difficult case. What is or isn't consent is well, difficult to tack down*. If someone regrets having sex with you, or you willingly put yourself in a position where sexual intercourse may ensue, it seems to pervert the course of 'truthiness,' not even justice, to be able to turn around and cry rape if you like to. Unfortunately, no matter what the actuality of the case is, it seems the public is ready to pillory Tobuscus, and side with the accuser on generality. That seems misguided to me, or at the least, thoughtless. However, statements like this, [quote] Actually, no, it's really easy to prove. It's called a rape kit, every hospital has them. They'd also do a blood work-up and look for any drugs. These are all very easy to prove. [/quote] are just as banal as the presumption of rape. Unfortunately, a substantial number of rape victims report shame, confusion and shock after being raped and do not instinctively seek out police or medical aid. If it was not a particularly violent rape (such as coercion via blackmail, a roofie, sexual molestation by a caretaker) then it leaves no substantial evidence for these magical rape kits to find when the victim finds the wherewithal to report it. It is a delicate and difficult manner, that really shouldn't be handled like it's being handled here. In fact, the way it's being handled here is typical of character assassination and claim fabrication. Much like the famous 'mattress girl,' it doesn't matter whether her sexual abuse was real or imagined. Now others will come forward as well, again no matter real or imagined, and if the issue presses to legal levels, a number of people will be 'at bat' to provide witness and character testimony, which in this case is the substance that would determine criminal charges. It's a headache. *Some pithy wits have said, "well it's like asking if someone would like a cup of tea. If they say no, no problem." I cannot express how naive, sheltered and entirely oblivious this sort of mindset is, so I won't.
[QUOTE=Tobin;50117158]I don't want to watch this cunt or his stupid ass face[/QUOTE] Sorry for trying to provide another perspective from someone who worked with the guy for a long time?
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;50117184] are just as banal as the presumption of rape. Unfortunately, a substantial number of rape victims report shame, confusion and shock after being raped and do not instinctively seek out police or medical aid. If it was not a particularly violent rape (such as coercion via blackmail, a roofie, sexual molestation by a caretaker) then it leaves no substantial evidence for these magical rape kits to find when the victim finds the wherewithal to report it. It is a delicate and difficult manner, that really shouldn't be handled like it's being handled here. In fact, the way it's being handled here is typical of character assassination and claim fabrication. Much like the famous 'mattress girl,' it doesn't matter whether her sexual abuse was real or imagined. Now others will come forward as well, again no matter real or imagined, and if the issue presses to legal levels, a number of people will be 'at bat' to provide witness and character testimony, which in this case is the substance that would determine criminal charges. It's a headache. *Some pithy wits have said, "well it's like asking if someone would like a cup of tea. If they say no, no problem." I cannot express how naive, sheltered and entirely oblivious this sort of mindset is, so I won't.[/QUOTE] Well sorry, but Western justice systems rely on evidence. If you fail to use all means available to you to build a case then it's going to fall flat. It may sound harsh but that's the reality of our justice systems - a system I should point out is far better than anything else in the world.
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50116950]I feel pretty confident in saying the dude is a piece of fucking shit.[/QUOTE] no you
I don't want to get into the technicalities of it but having studied the subject: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCJG8Q2Uds[/media] When he says "Extremely serious and false accusations" or "these allegations are absolutely false", he doesn't seem to even believe in that himself. Now, I'm not saying he did rape her or not, he's telling (possibly) the truth about being hurt when he read it, but it could be due to a multitude of things. Not expected, thought she was still wrapped around his finger etc, or genuinely hurt because he's just oblivious to how fucked up he is. I feel like there are a lot of half-truths in this matter and maybe she is exaggerating, but this guy is clearly a scumbag. And he can fuck off with his "I am such a victim" face on that video, because I know that face. I've made that face a few times myself.
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