• Libya sends 600 soldiers to Syria to aid uprising
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[QUOTE=Bobie;33504231]they were a powerful and peaceful nation before the west fucked them up the ass[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call shelling and invading Egypt in 1977, then invading Chad 4 times (1978, 1979, 1980 and 1983), THEN topping it off by declaring war against the west and bombing Berlin in 1986, and linked to the bombings of Pam Am in 1988 and UTA Flight 772 in 1989 'peaceful' in any fucking definition of the word
[QUOTE=Broseph_;33504398]I wouldn't call shelling and invading Egypt in 1977, then invading Chad 4 times (1978, 1979, 1980 and 1983), THEN topping it off by declaring war against the west and bombing Berlin in 1986, and linked to the bombings of Pam Am in 1988 and UTA Flight 772 in 1989 'peaceful' in any fucking definition of the word[/QUOTE] gadaffi had made the country much more akin to a first world-state in the last 20 years of his reign, the war with egypt was short lived in comparison to the crusades the west leads against the third world (with similar reasoning). he also recently provided a great deal of reparations to chad, with help for those in poverty and those effected by the campaigns in chad and any media corporation can 'link' gadaffi to libyan individual extremists bombing places, it's doesnt necessarily mean that it's true. it's like saying whenever a christian extremist performs an act of terror the pope is for blame not to mention the fact that various space agencies NEVER picked up any signs of bombing against his own people in libya; why would he do it? he provides a national healthcare service and help for everyone under the libyan flag so killing off protesters is a bit farfetched for him. now, you'll see a broken anarchist version of libya run by the military (run by the same generals that called for those wars you kindly mentioned) sending troops and ambassadors left right and centre in order to promote the west's peaceful triumph over an evil dictator, but in reality the west has been doing FAR worse things than gadaffi has been doing. Why not invade somalia? why not choose one of the many dictatorships in africa that are known for being vile and corrupt? notice how the working class did not rebel against the government, and it was mostly unemployed students and youths?
I have always wondered why NATO helped Libya but not Syria. It's much worse there than it was in Libya.
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[QUOTE=scotland1;33504816]I have always wondered why NATO helped Libya but not Syria. It's much worse there than it was in Libya.[/QUOTE] Syria actually has a somewhat modern and huge army.
[QUOTE=Orkel;33504841]Syria actually has a somewhat modern and huge army.[/QUOTE] Syria does not have a modern army, depends what you classify modern as though.
Hundreds of volunteers from Tunisia went to Libya to help the rebels during Libya's war
[QUOTE=ripple3000;33505005]Syria does not have a modern army, depends what you classify modern as though.[/QUOTE] I certainly would not classify it as small. Invading Syria would be like invading Iraq in terms of their military strength.
Egypt could also use some help. It would be cool if all these nations which overthrow oppresive governemts could form some sort of unity and keep eachother's government in check.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;33506565]I certainly would not classify it as small. Invading Syria would be like invading Iraq in terms of their military strength.[/QUOTE] Better equipped and definitely better organized. Also bigger army if I'm not mistaken Also from wiki [quote]Syria for the few past years has reached out to Russia to obtain modern weapons that included many modern anti-tank and anti-air missile systems that will further improve its combat capabilities. In early September, 2008 The Syrian Government is in line with Russia to purchase MiG-29SMT fighters, Pantsir S1E air-defense systems, Iskander tactical missile systems, Yak-130 aircraft, and two Amur-1650 submarines. Russia's foreign minister said his country's sale of weapons to Syria won't upset the balance of power in the Middle East. The sales are "in line with the international law" and "in the interests of strengthening stability and maintaining security" in regions close to Russian borders, Sergei Lavrov told reporters during a visit to the United Nations in New York. Also Russia plans to turn a Soviet-era navy site in the Syrian port of Tartus into a permanent naval base, RIA Novosti reported, adding that 10 Russian warships are deployed there now while Russia expands the port. Israel and the United States have said they oppose further arms sales to Syria because the weapons could fall under the control of Iran or Hezbollah fighters in Lebanon.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Broseph_;33504334]Fun fact, none of those jets can reach Libya and return, also it's amusing you listed the Mig-21 there as if that's in anyway is scary[/QUOTE] Syria also has aerial tankers. As for the Mig-21 I had six words so I needed six planes. :v:
[QUOTE=Orkel;33506806]Better equipped and definitely better organized. Also bigger army if I'm not mistaken Also from wiki[/QUOTE] I don't think they'll have much use for a submarine and anti air against a guerilla uprising
[QUOTE=Broseph_;33504334]Fun fact, none of those jets can reach Libya and return, also it's amusing you listed the Mig-21 there as if that's in anyway is scary[/QUOTE] Well, they could maintain Syrian skies. I mean, if Libya could even have their jets in Syrian airspace. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Air_Force[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Air_Force[/url] The Syrian Air Force page, as you can see, is showing us a more developed air force. e: as far as developed goes, lol
[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;33504371]Unless it is yes... [/QUOTE] No of course it is, it is war.
Aren't Syrian and Libyan tanks are old T-72s? If Libya pits design against design, it's going to be pretty equal [armor wise]. Hopefully NATO can back Libya too.
[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;33510809]Well, they could maintain Syrian skies. I mean, if Libya could even have their jets in Syrian airspace. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Air_Force[/URL] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Air_Force[/URL] The Syrian Air Force page, as you can see, is showing us a more developed air force. e: as far as developed goes, lol[/QUOTE] NATO kinda destroyed most of Libya's airforce. They probably have nothing left at all.
[QUOTE=Jsm;33511480]NATO kinda destroyed most of Libya's airforce. They probably have nothing left at all.[/QUOTE] And, in typical fashion, we will sell them a new Air Force, and the equipment for a new Army, and the French will sell them guns and Typhoons.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;33511912]And, in typical fashion, we will sell them a new Air Force, and the equipment for a new Army, and the French will sell them guns and Typhoons.[/QUOTE] Well someone has to buy that shit the French sells.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;33510969]Aren't Syrian and Libyan tanks are old T-72s? If Libya pits design against design, it's going to be pretty equal [armor wise]. Hopefully NATO can back Libya too.[/QUOTE] T72s are still extremely lethal- they can fire modern ammunition and are loaded with ERA armor that can defeat NATO APFSDS frontally.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;33511912]And, in typical fashion, we will sell them a new Air Force, and the equipment for a new Army, and the French will sell them guns and Typhoons.[/QUOTE] Libya doesn't really need new rifles for their army. Their have a shitload of FALs which are great rifles in the first place and they also have a bunch of F2000s and G36s. If anything I could see one of those becoming their service rifle in the future though.
[QUOTE=Bobie;33504800]gadaffi had made the country much more akin to a first world-state in the last 20 years of his reign, the war with egypt was short lived in comparison to the crusades the west leads against the third world (with similar reasoning). he also recently provided a great deal of reparations to chad, with help for those in poverty and those effected by the campaigns in chad and any media corporation can 'link' gadaffi to libyan individual extremists bombing places, it's doesnt necessarily mean that it's true. it's like saying whenever a christian extremist performs an act of terror the pope is for blame[/quote] Because he obviously would have never ever done such a thing because he is a man of peace... oh wait [img]http://www.1337upload.net/files/Libya_under_Gaddafi_in_the_1980s.jpg[/img] [QUOTE=Bobie;33504800]not to mention the fact that various space agencies NEVER picked up any signs of bombing against his own people in libya; why would he do it? he provides a national healthcare service and help for everyone under the libyan flag so killing off protesters is a bit farfetched for him.[/quote] Space Agencies deal with objects hundreds of kilometers in orbit, not low flying attack aircraft [QUOTE=Bobie;33504800]now, you'll see a broken anarchist version of libya run by the military (run by the same generals that called for those wars you kindly mentioned) sending troops and ambassadors left right and centre in order to promote the west's peaceful triumph over an evil dictator, but in reality the west has been doing FAR worse things than gadaffi has been doing. Why not invade somalia? why not choose one of the many dictatorships in africa that are known for being vile and corrupt? notice how the working class did not rebel against the government, and it was mostly unemployed students and youths?[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but you seem to be mistaking Libya for Egypt, the Libyan military has completely collapsed to the point where the interim government which has taken control over it can't even control petty bands of militias roving even in the heart of Tripoli Also for your information, Libya has no Generals, and hasn't for over 40 years , only ministers. As for Somalia, Kenya and Ethiopia are already invading it, so who do you want Invaded next? [editline]3rd December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Orkel;33504841]Syria actually has a somewhat modern and huge army.[/QUOTE] Yes but even that is starting to collapse with upwards of 25,000 soldiers defecting already, and engaging in fighting with it. [video=youtube;QK9DpDOrmZM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK9DpDOrmZM[/video]
Syria has a moderately powerful military, is backed by Iran and Russia, and is willing to do anything. It'd take quite a revolution to overthrow it.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;33547877]Because he obviously would have never ever done such a thing because he is a man of peace... oh wait [IMG]http://www.1337upload.net/files/Libya_under_Gaddafi_in_the_1980s.jpg[/IMG] I'm sorry, but you seem to be mistaking Libya for Egypt, the Libyan military has completely collapsed to the point where the interim government which has taken control over it can't even control petty bands of militias roving even in the heart of Tripoli Also for your information, Libya has no Generals, and hasn't for over 40 years , only ministers. As for Somalia, Kenya and Ethiopia are already invading it, so who do you want Invaded next? [editline]3rd December 2011[/editline] Yes but even that is starting to collapse with upwards of 25,000 soldiers defecting already, and engaging in fighting with it. [video=youtube;QK9DpDOrmZM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK9DpDOrmZM[/video][/QUOTE] i like it how your 'proof' was a picture of someone standing on a french flag and the baseless accusation and assumption that space agencies only deal with things in orbit stay classy
Has there been any word on the situation on the ground yet? I've been able to find very little in the way of information, considering the media blackout.
[QUOTE=Bobie;33558467]i like it how your 'proof' was a picture of someone standing on a french flag and the baseless accusation and assumption that space agencies only deal with things in orbit stay classy[/QUOTE] I take it you did not see the videos broadcast and shared in multiple places showing Gaddafi bombing his citizens then?
[QUOTE=Jsm;33558604]I take it you did not see the videos broadcast and shared in multiple places showing Gaddafi bombing his citizens then?[/QUOTE] did you see gadaffis little face in the fighter jets as he mercilessly bombed his citizens it mustve been wonderful for you to see such an event first hand
[QUOTE=Broseph_;33504398]I wouldn't call shelling and invading Egypt in 1977, then invading Chad 4 times (1978, 1979, 1980 and 1983), THEN topping it off by declaring war against the west and bombing Berlin in 1986, and linked to the bombings of Pam Am in 1988 and UTA Flight 772 in 1989 'peaceful' in any fucking definition of the word[/QUOTE] he meant before ghadaffi
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;33501013][img]http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Scitech/660/371/armored%20bulldozer%20libya.JPG[/img] [B][I]Send in the doom dozer[/I][/B][/QUOTE] [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EzQ-Wuy30jo/TIw5i6gyUhI/AAAAAAAAAr8/O9dCn0_Et_Y/s1600/DoomDozerGLD1-EN-C-LE.png[/img] ???
[QUOTE=teh pirate;33509185]Syria also has aerial tankers. As for the Mig-21 I had six words so I needed six planes. :v:[/QUOTE] Since when? Syria has never operated Aerial tankers. [editline]4th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;33558467]i like it how your 'proof' was a picture of someone standing on a french flag and the baseless accusation and assumption that space agencies only deal with things in orbit stay classy[/QUOTE] How about a quote from 2003? [QUOTE=Brother Leader Gaddafi, addressing Sabha, Libya - October 4 2003]Women must be trained to fight in houses, prepare explosive belts and blow themselves up alongside enemy soldiers. Anyone with a car must prepare it and know how to install explosives and turn it into a car-bomb. We must train women to place explosives in cars and blow them up in the midst of enemies, and blow up houses so that they can collapse on enemy soldiers. Traps must be prepared. You have seen how the enemy checks baggage: we must fix these suitcases in order for them to explode when they open them. Women must be taught to place mines in cupboards, bags, shoes, children's toys so that they explode on enemy soldiers.[/QUOTE] Clearly he wants peace And my question is this, if my accusation is so baseless, explain to me why Space agencies would be monitoring low flying aircraft in a foreign country when their radio radars are only designed for tracking orbiting satellites and space stations except for the radars at the space launch centers which monitor the local air traffic and weather, with the closest such space center being a Israeli Air base a thousand kilometers away from Libya [editline]4th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ogopogo;33506565]I certainly would not classify it as small. Invading Syria would be like invading Iraq in terms of their military strength.[/QUOTE] Didn't the Invasion of Iraq only last 3 weeks between crossing the border and sacking Baghdad? Not a very good example.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;33563869] Didn't the Invasion of Iraq only last 3 weeks between crossing the border and sacking Baghdad? Not a very good example.[/QUOTE] Not to mention they surrendered to helicopters.. He could be referring to the years of fighting afterwards to be honest, I could see that happening Syria.
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