• Tamir Rice shooting: Cleveland to pay $6 million to settle family's lawsuit
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[URL="http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/25/us/tamir-rice-settlement/"]SOURCE[/URL] [QUOTE]The city of Cleveland will pay $6 million to settle the federal lawsuit filed by the family of Tamir Rice, the 12-year-old boy killed by police gunfire in November 2014, according to a settlement announced Monday in U.S. District Court.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]According to terms of the settlement, the city acknowledges no fault in Tamir's death, which came after a 911 caller told of someone in a city park brandishing what appeared to be a toy gun.[/QUOTE]
Could have sworn they agreed to this a while ago?
So goddamn stupid. The kid was holding a toy that looked like a gun and then aimed it at police. Fuck the family profiting off his death, they don't deserve the penny. Maybe teach your kids to not aim guns at cops
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;50201225]So goddamn stupid. The kid was holding a toy that looked like a gun and then aimed it at police. Fuck the family profiting off his death, they don't deserve the penny. Maybe teach your kids to not aim guns at cops[/QUOTE] Maybe instead we should teach cops how to properly respond to situations with a potentially armed individual? ie. not rolling up right next to the kid in a cruiser and immediately gunning him down (which is what actually happened).
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;50201225]So goddamn stupid. The kid was holding a toy that looked like a gun and then aimed it at police. Fuck the family profiting off his death, they don't deserve the penny. Maybe teach your kids to not aim guns at cops[/QUOTE] Before I attempt to get into this, could you answer one question: Have you actually seen the Tamir Rice video or is that just an assumption?
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;50201225]So goddamn stupid. The kid was holding a toy that looked like a gun and then aimed it at police. Fuck the family profiting off his death, they don't deserve the penny. Maybe teach your kids to not aim guns at cops[/QUOTE] I remember seeing this death in the news but i'm looking at the wikipedia page as a refresher, and I learned new things. - The cops fired before even stopping their police cruiser. - The person who reported a kid pointing a gun at people said that the child was juvenile and that the gun was probably fake. 911 Call: [url]https://soundcloud.com/latimes/911-call-in-tamir-rice-shooting[/url]
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50201282]Maybe instead we should teach cops how to properly respond to situations with a potentially armed individual? ie. not rolling up right next to the kid in a cruiser and immediately gunning him down (which is what actually happened).[/QUOTE] How do you think the officer should have reacted?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50201376]How do you think the officer should have reacted?[/QUOTE] Take into consideration that the suspect was reported as a juvenile with a possibly fake gun (dispatch may be at fault here for not properly relaying the information) and approach from a safe distance with backup. Literally almost any alternative action was better than what the officer did.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50201455]Take into consideration that the suspect was reported as a juvenile with a possibly fake gun (dispatch may be at fault here for not properly relaying the information) and approach from a safe distance with backup. Literally almost any alternative action was better than what the officer did.[/QUOTE] Exactly. "Person probably has gun = kill person" is not a professional line of logic. It's not like a child with a gun has good aim or tactics that can be a threat to police in a vehicle
For starters, the officer should not have literally drove up to the Rice and shot him point blank. I'm not a police officer and have no experience with guns, but I don't think the cop took the most tactically sound option.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50201376]How do you think the officer should have reacted?[/QUOTE] By not performing a drive by shooting.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50201455]Take into consideration that the suspect was reported as a juvenile with a possibly fake gun (dispatch may be at fault here for not properly relaying the information) and approach from a safe distance with backup. Literally almost any alternative action was better than what the officer did.[/QUOTE] Officers are trained to treat all guns as real, even if they "might" be fake. Though the situation could have been handled much differently, i.e not rolling up guns blazing. Just thought I'd point out that just because it was thought to be fake the officers had no 100% knowledge that it was.
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;50201481]It's not like a child with a gun has good aim or tactics that can be a threat to police in a vehicle[/QUOTE] An untrained person with a gun is probably more dangerous than a trained person with a gun. You shouldn't take a child with a gun any less serious than a former navy SEAL with a gun. It's still equally as capable of killing you or bystanders. (I'm not saying that gunning down the kid before even stopping the car was the right move, but your logic is flawed.)
[QUOTE=OvB;50202208]An untrained person with a gun is probably more dangerous than a trained person with a gun. You shouldn't take a child with a gun any less serious than a former navy SEAL with a gun. It's still equally as capable of killing you or bystanders. (I'm not saying that gunning down the kid before even stopping the car was the right move, but your logic is flawed.)[/QUOTE] True, but the whole point is that they should have at least pulled up near him and said something through a megaphone to the effect of "drop the gun" before resorting to killing the poor kid
This whole situation is just messed up on multiple different levels. Dispatch fucked up by failing to provide information to the responding officers. The cops fucked up by being way too aggressive (some level of aggression was justified based on the information provided by dispatch) The department fucked up by hiring the officer in the first place. Apparently he had been fired from another force for being too much of an untrainable hothead. If any one of these things hadn't happened, this unfortunate event could very well have been avoided. Instead, there was too much slack distributed across the whole system, and things broke down.
[QUOTE=Fort83;50202449]Jesus not this shit again. When the police officers pulled up Tamir walked toward the passenger door while pulling the gun from his waist. Which is an immediate threat. People need to learn how to properly interact with police.[/QUOTE] Nobody with any sense is saying the kid acted in a reasonable fashion, but there were multiple cock-ups in the department that did not help matters. That's [i]why[/i] the department settled as opposed to just outright calling it justified and releasing a report.
And then police reps say the money should go to "educating children about toy guns" [url]http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2016/04/tamir_rice_settlement_should_h.html[/url] More like educate them about driveby cops
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;50202422]This whole situation is just messed up on multiple different levels. Dispatch fucked up by failing to provide information to the responding officers. The cops fucked up by being way too aggressive (some level of aggression was justified based on the information provided by dispatch) The department fucked up by hiring the officer in the first place. Apparently he had been fired from another force for being too much of an untrainable hothead. If any one of these things hadn't happened, this unfortunate event could very well have been avoided. Instead, there was too much slack distributed across the whole system, and things broke down.[/QUOTE] noticing a real big lack of "Tamir Rice fucked up supremely by deciding to walk around threatening people with what appears to be a gun, and brandishing it at police in an obvious attempt to stir shit" of all the people who take some of the blame for this incident occuring, none of them take as much blame as Rice himself
Nah mate I'm gonna blame the cop for killing someone unnecessarily by handling the situation in such a shortsighted fashion.
No matter what the crime, if you really think shooting a kid is in anyway justifiable, you really need to rethink your life decisions. I would understand if the cop immediately resigned from the force and issued an apology and showed some damn sympathy. But no, he shows no sympathy towards the family or the kid, showing he has absolutely no morals and is possibly a psychopath. You don't just shoot a fucking kid and think everything is fine. I welcome this settlement, but the bastard should be behind bars for a looooong time.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50204424]No matter what the crime, if you really think shooting a kid is in anyway justifiable, you really need to rethink your life decisions. I would understand if the cop immediately resigned from the force and issued an apology and showed some damn sympathy. But no, he shows no sympathy towards the family or the kid, showing he has absolutely no morals and is possibly a psychopath. You don't just shoot a fucking kid and think everything is fine. I welcome this settlement, but the bastard should be behind bars for a looooong time.[/QUOTE] It's quite justifiable seen from the eyes of the cop based on his training, 100% genuine-looking gun pointed towards him while held by an untrained individual. And while they really deserve a proper apology, the cop resorted to a natural coping mechanism to avoid getting crushed by crippling depression. It's an instinct everybody has, and I'd rather call it the direct opposite of being a psychopath. It's a sour fucking situation that shouldn't have happened in the first place, no denying that, but come on.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;50204151]noticing a real big lack of "Tamir Rice fucked up supremely by deciding to walk around threatening people with what appears to be a gun, and brandishing it at police in an obvious attempt to stir shit" of all the people who take some of the blame for this incident occuring, none of them take as much blame as Rice himself[/QUOTE] Only in this situation is a 12 year old juvinile able to be held responsible for his actions... Literally every other possible situation a 12 year old would never be held accountable in court
[QUOTE=Sableye;50205005]Only in this situation is a 12 year old juvinile able to be held responsible for his actions... Literally every other possible situation a 12 year old would never be held accountable in court[/QUOTE] What? No. Ignoring the whole Rice situation, a 12 year old can be held accountable in court for a lot of scenarios. The age of criminal responsibility is 6-12 in the US, most states have it at 7, for federal crimes it is 11. So a 12 year old can be held accountable for literally any crime in the US. Who told you otherwise?
Perhaps one day we'll develop a way to effectively and non-lethally subdue someone at long range. Situations like this where it's unclear who is at fault will have drastically lower consequences for both sides if that is made possible.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50201282]Maybe instead we should teach cops how to properly respond to situations with a potentially armed individual? ie. not rolling up right next to the kid in a cruiser and immediately gunning him down (which is what actually happened).[/QUOTE] There were people across the way and they put their patrol car between them and the kid who they thought had a gun, since he DID have a gun, and someone called the police saying he had a gun. Yeah it was a toy, but no one was willing to risk being shot and killed to find out 100%. That's why they drove all the fuck up in there like they did. Because as far as they know, and saw themselves, it was an armed individual. And there were people around. His age and the fact that it was a toy is all hindsight I will say that for being the country with 43% of the world's privately owned firearms, and the country with the most guns per capita, we sure as fuck are the flakiest bunch about them
[QUOTE=Megadave;50204424]No matter what the crime, if you really think shooting a kid is in anyway justifiable, you really need to rethink your life decisions. I would understand if the cop immediately resigned from the force and issued an apology and showed some damn sympathy. But no, he shows no sympathy towards the family or the kid, showing he has absolutely no morals and is possibly a psychopath. You don't just shoot a fucking kid and think everything is fine. I welcome this settlement, but the bastard should be behind bars for a looooong time.[/QUOTE] It is easy to look at this now all the info. I believe that...a LOT of people involved fucked up. Most importantly i don't feel as if the officer should be held responsible because of the lack of info and the response involved when you get a person with gun call. Do i think what happened to Tamir was right? No. Do i think the PD should be held responsible. Yes. Do i think any criminal negligence happened. No.
I find it incredible how you Americans think this is normal... Police shooting down a 12 year old and arguing who's wrong is just bizarre.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50204424]No matter what the crime, if you really think shooting a kid is in anyway justifiable, you really need to rethink your life decisions. I would understand if the cop immediately resigned from the force and issued an apology and showed some damn sympathy. But no, he shows no sympathy towards the family or the kid, showing he has absolutely no morals and is possibly a psychopath. You don't just shoot a fucking kid and think everything is fine. I welcome this settlement, but the bastard should be behind bars for a looooong time.[/QUOTE] What if said kid is trying to kill you? [editline]26th April 2016[/editline] or anybody else?
[QUOTE=New Cidem;50205522]Perhaps one day we'll develop a way to effectively and non-lethally subdue someone at long range. Situations like this where it's unclear who is at fault will have drastically lower consequences for both sides if that is made possible.[/QUOTE] Taser used to sell a shotgun shell that had a range of 100 ft, but it was $160 a shot and nobody bought it.
City should have never paid. Hate these cases. Teach your children to not play with guns in parks. [editline]26th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Snowmew;50205470]What? No. Ignoring the whole Rice situation, a 12 year old can be held accountable in court for a lot of scenarios. The age of criminal responsibility is 6-12 in the US, most states have it at 7, for federal crimes it is 11. So a 12 year old can be held accountable for literally any crime in the US. Who told you otherwise?[/QUOTE] A 12 year old cannot commit a crime in the state of Minnesota. Minimum age is 14 unless otherwise certified.
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