• UK: Supplying a weapon 'just as bad as using one' - could mean life in prison
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[QUOTE=Neat!;38134009] however, going by those statistics, stricter gun laws being implemented was followed by an increase of crime, and more relaxed gun laws was followed by a decrease in crime on many occasions what does that tell you[/QUOTE] It doesn't tell me anything. You have to infer things from it. The increase in crime could be caused by other factors. [editline]22nd October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=David29;38135246]Except that firearm offences in the UK have fallen below what they were when they were first banned. Given the respective population increase during the period as well, I would say that it has worked out quite nicely for us.[/QUOTE] You have hit on what I was just thinking about when I posted my last post. Its entirely possible that maybe just maybe its a culture thing. Perhaps our criminals just don't like using guns.
[QUOTE=Jsm;38135406]You have hit on what I was just thinking about when I posted my last post. Its entirely possible that maybe just maybe its a culture thing. Perhaps our criminals just don't like using guns.[/QUOTE] I did read somewhere that they're generally avoided by a lot of criminals because it ups the ante too much, and that the police will invest more time and money in tracking down suspects in cases involving firearms, so there isn't much pay off in using one.
Statistics can be interpreted to back whatever argument you may have.
[QUOTE=Valnar;38134047]Than doesn't that say the same thing for the effectiveness of UK gun laws? If guns don't have an actual link with gun crime than that means that gun laws are pointless.[/QUOTE] the uk has a higher standard of living and a lot of gun crime comes from areas that do not have that standard of living go figure heres my statistical chart to show that sharks have been fucking more since the gun ban. it doesn't mean the odds are in my favour when i say gun bans cause shark fucking
"Here son, try to shoot that clay pidgeon" Life in prison.
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;38134137]Banning weapons is retarded. It's just like the prohibition of alcohol and the drug war. It keeps it out of law-abiding citizens' hands, creates an unregulated black market, and doesn't do shit to stop the flow of guns. [editline]21st October 2012[/editline] I mean, fuck, look at Chicago.[/QUOTE] Sorry but illegal guns are pretty rare here. The ones that do exist are usually shite with botched ammo. The law does work. There was some American bloke importing brand new handguns from the us, that was absolutely massive news when he was busted. I'm not sure how many of the guns are still about, last time I read there were about 5 still unaccounted for. That episode was extremely rare and the police (rightfully) took it very seriously.
[QUOTE=BorisJ;38136510]"Here son, try to shoot that clay pidgeon" Life in prison.[/QUOTE] i was going to point out all the things that are horribly wrong with this statement, then i realised your name and that you probably find some form of appeal in boris johnson. therefore making you a complete tool.
Well I have been reading a bit through that site: [img]http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/chicago-full.png[/img] I'm kinda thinking that the people who say "More repressive gun control will increase homicide/crime" don't seem to be actually correct. At the very least, this graph seems to be showing that crime rates remained stable before sharply rising in the 80s and then seeing a huge decline thereafter. The slight correlation with the US as a whole too may also give weight that gun control does not do anything to increase crime rates whatsoever. Now this is interesting: [quote]Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.[/quote] [quote]Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the Chicago murder rate has averaged 17% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 25% lower.[/quote] Perhaps one argument I could make is that whilst the percentage of murders committed using guns has increased, the total number of murders have actually decreased.
As it is now, in the united states, restricting guns wouldn't do much in terms of lowering crime. Sure, you might take the guns away from some people who legally owned guns that might use them to rob a store or kill someone they don't like, but then chances are they would just switch to a knife. Besides that however, gun restriction would have no effect on the people who illegally own guns. AKA gangs and criminals. They would continue operating as they usually do. Except now, a legal gun owner would lack a vital home defense weapon. Sure, in the UK its different, because guns were less common to begin with.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;38137281]Sure, in the UK its different, because guns were less common to begin with.[/QUOTE] That is true. It's the general problem with having a massive civilian arms industry, they have so much political power and money even though nearly half a million firearms 'disappear' into the black market every year. Directly from the factories.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;38137281]Sure, in the UK its different, because guns were less common to begin with.[/QUOTE] Which implies legalising guns in the UK and making them [i]more[/i] common would be a bad idea.
[QUOTE=David29;38135246]Except that firearm offences in the UK have fallen below what they were when they were first banned. Given the respective population increase during the period as well, I would say that it has worked out quite nicely for us.[/QUOTE] Once again, you're not showing that it was caused directly from the ban. I would bet that with the ban, gun education also received a lot of support. The culture for it may have decreased in popularity as well. Perhaps the standard of living increased. There are just too many variables that you are ignoring.
[QUOTE=Neat!;38133164]the numbers veer in my favo-whAT THE FUCK IS WITH YOUR AVATAR[/QUOTE] I don't know actually - It just appeared one day and I try not to look at it in the eyes. As for gun control: Most of the numbers make me believe (read, not a statement of fact) that it does not increase or decrease violent crime rate in any meaningful way over a long period of time. Surely there will be impact immediately before or after a change in policy but I don't see enough strong correlation one way or the other past the immediate repercussions. As a personal bias note I loved target shooting as a kid, but I don't own any guns currently.
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