• Iran testing missiles designed to destroy Israel
    38 replies, posted
[URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-missiles-idUSKCN0WB0I9[/URL] [QUOTE]Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) test-fired two ballistic missiles on Wednesday that it said were designed to be able to hit Israel, defying U.S. criticism of similar tests carried out the previous day.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]"The reason we designed our missiles with a range of 2,000 km is to be able to hit our enemy the Zionist regime from a safe distance," Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh was quoted as saying by the ISNA agency. The nearest point in Iran is around 1,000 km from Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Iranian agencies said the missiles tested on Wednesday [B]were stamped with the words "Israel should be wiped from the pages of history" in Hebrew[/B], though the inscription could not be seen on any photographs.[/QUOTE]
[quote]The reason we designed our missiles with a range of 2,000 km is to be able to hit our enemy the Zionist regime [/quote] As opposed to...? There is other geopolitical threat to Iran in the region other than Israel so it makes sense for Iran to develop their military capacity in a manner that is compatible with Israeli growth, just as Israel has developed their military capacity to correlate with Iran's military.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49898370]As opposed to...? There is other geopolitical threat to Iran in the region other than Israel so it makes sense for Iran to develop their military capacity in a manner that is compatible with Israeli growth, just as Israel has developed their military capacity to correlate with Iran's military.[/QUOTE] Cool, except for the whole "Israel should be wiped from the pages of history" stamped on the missiles thing.
Meaningless propaganda rhetoric. It has zero meaning in Iranian official policy just as those Israeli children signing Israeli missiles have no meaning on Israeli policy other than creepy propaganda
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49898390]Meaningless propaganda rhetoric. It has zero meaning in Iranian offical policy just as those Israeli children signing Israeli missiles have no meaning on Israeli policy other than creepy propaganda[/QUOTE] Iran's leaders have been calling for the destruction of Israel for some time though. If they have missiles that can reach Israel stamped with "Israel should be wiped out", that's pretty concerning.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;49898405]Iran's leaders have been calling for the destruction of Israel for some time though. If they have missiles that can reach Israel stamped with "Israel should be wiped out", that's pretty concerning.[/QUOTE] Isn't Iran's "position" of the "destruction" of Israel an institutional dissolution of the State (or "regime"/"occupation" as they call it) rather than a physical one? I'm pretty sure destroying Jerusalem and leaving a pile of rubble for the Palestinians isn't an objective for them on any level.
[QUOTE=chumchum;49898567]Isn't Iran's "position" of the "destruction" of Israel an institutional dissolution of the State (or "regime"/"occupation" as they call it) rather than a physical one? I'm pretty sure destroying Jerusalem and leaving a pile of rubble for the Palestinians isn't an objective for them on any level.[/QUOTE] That's what Iran apologists usually claim. Actions like proudly declaring you have new missiles for bombing Israel with Death to Israel stamped all over them, or [URL="http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran/Report-Thousands-of-Iranian-soldiers-stage-mock-siege-of-Temple-Mount-434845"]staging large scale military exercises simulating an attack on Jerusalem[/URL] say otherwise. Also the [URL="http://nypost.com/2015/08/01/iran-publishes-book-on-how-to-outwit-us-and-destroy-israel/"]book published by the Supreme Leader on how to destroy Israel[/URL].
I was under the impression that a missile to destroy a city was a nuke, In which case if they fire a nuke then others will fire on them because we should help our allys and so on so forth.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;49898377]Cool, except for the whole "Israel should be wiped from the pages of history" stamped on the missiles thing.[/QUOTE] Are you really scared? There is no possibility any nuke bearing missile will head towards Israel. Just meaningless barking, done all the time. Deserves to be only ignored.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49898840]Are you really scared? There is no possibility any nuke bearing missile will head towards Israel. Just meaningless barking, done all the time. Deserves to be only ignored.[/QUOTE] They can still do some damage. Look at Saddam's Scud barrage on Israel during the first gulf war.
Is it necessarily intended to be used only for Israel though? A missile with that kind of range could hit anywhere in Saudi Arabia as well, and Iran and Saudi Arabia aren't exactly buddies.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49898840]Are you really scared? There is no possibility any nuke bearing missile will head towards Israel. Just meaningless barking, done all the time. Deserves to be only ignored.[/QUOTE] Honestly? This isn't making me sleep better at night. Yes we have the Arrow and Iron Dome and our own arsenal of long range doom devices, but this is still a place where when people wave their missile cocks at us they usually end up taking a shot sooner or later. In my not very long life here I've had the pleasure of seeing Iraqi Scuds streaking over my house, as well as impact craters from Lebanese Fajrs in the street. And now I'm raising kids here. This is not the kind of news that make me happy. [editline]9th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Taepodong-2;49898898]Is it necessarily intended to be used only for Israel though? A missile with that kind of range could hit anywhere in Saudi Arabia as well, and Iran and Saudi Arabia aren't exactly buddies.[/QUOTE] Just according to Iranian military officials. Did you actually read the thing? Just my quotes up there? Anything other than the title?
Is Israel roughly the same distance from Iran as Yemen is? Because that currently seems like a far more likely target for the Iranian military.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;49898405]Iran's leaders have been calling for the destruction of Israel for some time though. If they have missiles that can reach Israel stamped with "Israel should be wiped out", that's pretty concerning.[/QUOTE] This is a common myth. Iran's long-standing policy for decades now has always been to end the Israeli regime by a series of organized and democratic referendums. [media]https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/531366667377717248[/media] Iran has always iterated that they believe that the occupying regime of Israel will end in a process of self-decay. Drawing analogies to the Soviet Union, Iran has held that Israel's policies in the West Bank are not sustainable, and will lead to eventual self-destruction. This is often mistranslated, and misinterpreted, albeit deliberately to make it appear as if Iran is bent on destroying the Israeli state with bombs. These claims you hear, that Iran supposedly seeks to possess highly-advanced nuclear warheads that are capable of discriminating Jewish civilians and Jewish places of worship while leaving Muslim Palestinians and Muslim places of worship( i.e. in Jerusalem) virtually intact and untouched are ludicrous and frankly embarrassing to see continually perpetuated by the Israeli fearmongerers.
Guys don't forget, you are talking to Starfuck -- [IMG]http://puu.sh/nAtRj/6a0b8e37ec.png[/IMG] -- there is no way to convice this maniac that Iran is a threat. (Though to be fair, they are getting better)
[URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1318462"]Considering Israel has been constantly re-predicting for nearly 25 years that Iran was developing nukes to wipe them out,[/URL] can you blame Iran for eventually getting around to it?
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49899040]Guys don't forget, you are talking to Starfuck -- [IMG]http://puu.sh/nAtRj/6a0b8e37ec.png[/IMG] -- there is no way to convice this maniac that Iran is a threat. (Though to be fair, they are getting better)[/QUOTE] Yes, thank you for pointing out I live in one of the most hostile regimes to Iran. It is indeed an excellent addition to my credibility on the subject. [URL="http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/iran-accuses-saudi-arabia-fuelling-tensions-160104074825179.html"]Bahrain cuts diplomatic ties with Iran - Bahrain orders Iranian diplomats to leave the country within 48 hours, a day after Saudis severed relations with Tehran.[/URL] Do you remember the pro-Democracy protests that swept Bahrain as part of the Arab Spring, do you know who was blamed for it? "Iran." [quote]Bahrain frequently accuses Iran of being behind protests among its Shia population.[/quote] Bahrain [B]hates[/B] Iran. But by pointing out my current residence, you highlight that even the daily blast of state-instituted prejudices Bahrain emits out in their newspapers will not hamper my ability to either judge, or independently assess the Iranian truth in an objective manner. EDIT: To those unaware, Bahrain is like how Israel perceives Iran. Even so much that [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Fifth_Fleet"]Bahrain allowed the U.S. to install the 5th Naval Fleet[/URL] to counter any future Iranian influence. To draw an analogy, Crhem van der B is basically saying that I currently live in Israel and "defend Iran" at the same time. He only makes me appear more unbiased by highlighting that I do not take Bahrain's and to a larger extent -- the Gulf State's official policy of hate and propaganda towards Iran.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49898992]This is a common myth. Iran's long-standing policy for decades now has always been to end the Israeli regime by a series of organized and democratic referendums. Iran has always iterated that they believe that the occupying regime of Israel will end in a process of self-decay. Drawing analogies to the Soviet Union, Iran has held that Israel's policies in the West Bank are not sustainable, and will lead to eventual self-destruction. This is often mistranslated, and misinterpreted, albeit deliberately to make it appear as if Iran is bent on destroying the Israeli state with bombs. These claims you hear, that Iran supposedly seeks to possess highly-advanced nuclear warheads that are capable of discriminating Jewish civilians and Jewish places of worship while leaving Muslim Palestinians and Muslim places of worship( i.e. in Jerusalem) virtually intact and untouched are ludicrous and frankly embarrassing to see continually perpetuated by the Israeli fearmongerers.[/QUOTE] Number 4 advocates for ethnic cleansing and number 8 flies in the face of the most logical resolution to the conflict (a UN arbitration, which I understand Israel has also resisted). And I'm having trouble accepting your claim about "democratic referendums" when they're being back by violent force and insurgency.
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49899154]Number 4 advocates for ethnic cleansing and number 8 flies in the face of the most logical resolution to the conflict (a UN arbitration, which I understand Israel has also resisted). And I'm having trouble accepting your claim about "democratic referendums" when they're being back by violent force and insurgency.[/QUOTE] I do not support that. But by saying they do not support the notion of a "Muslim/Arab war" against Israel or the notion of "throwing the Jews into sea" signifies a stark contrast to the repeated myths that Iran will annihilate Israel.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49898390]Meaningless propaganda rhetoric. It has zero meaning in Iranian official policy just as those Israeli children signing Israeli missiles have no meaning on Israeli policy other than creepy propaganda[/QUOTE] You sound like a Trump supporter, "Just ignore all the crazy stuff. They don't REALLY mean it." The simple fact is that their immediate stated goal, and only realistic goal, is to arm groups that do want to kill all the Jews in Israel.
the sooner the current Iranian supreme leader dies and gets replaced by someone more moderate, the better
Well of course you wouldn't want to try and nuke Israel only to find out you've been using missile designed to destroy Finland. You'd just look silly
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49899154]Number 4 advocates for ethnic cleansing[/QUOTE] How is deportation of immigrants ethnic cleansing?
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49898840]Are you really scared? There is no possibility any nuke bearing missile will head towards Israel. Just meaningless barking, done all the time. Deserves to be only ignored.[/QUOTE] He is, he seems to post a new news article every time someone looks at Israel the wrong way.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;49898405]Iran's leaders have been calling for the destruction of Israel for some time though. If they have missiles that can reach Israel stamped with "Israel should be wiped out", that's pretty concerning.[/QUOTE] But isn't that like freedom of art? Or speech. Probably not though.
[QUOTE=catbarf;49900294]How is deportation of immigrants ethnic cleansing?[/QUOTE] It's unclear based on the wording of the Ayatollah's "plan," but it appears that he's extending the immigrant label to the descendants of Jews who moved to Israel since the 20th Century (he says "the original people of Palestine including Muslims, Christians and Jews wherever they are" which indicted that he's talking about the original Palestinian population and the diaspora).
i really wish OP switched the countries around just so we could see the entirely reversed reaction that starpluck would have. [QUOTE=Starpluck;49898370]As opposed to...? There is other geopolitical threat to Iran in the region other than Israel so it makes sense for Iran to develop their military capacity in a manner that is compatible with Israeli growth, just as Israel has developed their military capacity to correlate with Iran's military.[/QUOTE] let's not pretend your reaction isn't entirely because of your hatred of israel. you are actually trying to defend weapons that are literally labelled with threats of what is essentially genocide. jesus christ.
[QUOTE=Monkah;49901163]i really wish OP switched the countries around just so we could see the entirely reversed reaction that starpluck would have.[/QUOTE] But Israel already has ICBM's and Nuclear weapons. In-fact, they have Nuclear armed ICBM's.
Iran rules, Israel sucks
[QUOTE=Svinnik;49898862]They can still do some damage. Look at Saddam's Scud barrage on Israel during the first gulf war.[/QUOTE] Israel has a few hundred nukes, I'm sure Iran wouldn't risk bathing in a sea of radiation to maybe destroy one city.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.