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[QUOTE=Leg of Doom] I have observed that it's usually Canadians and Europeans who argue against the death penalty pulling all this human-rights bullshit which is hilariously ironic seeing as those are some of the most liberty deprived nations on earth.[/QUOTE] I actually lol'd there. I'm Canadian, and I can say first-hand that we are certainly not liberty deprived. But you can keep thinking that if you wish, if it makes you happy.
[QUOTE=Bluefire;24425964]I actually lol'd there. I'm Canadian, and I can say first-hand that we are certainly not liberty deprived. But you can keep thinking that if you wish, if it makes you happy.[/QUOTE] My jaw dropped when he said Canada was liberty deprived. I've lived here all my life and I can say it is not at all. I can smoke pot in front of a police officer on the right day, and he'll laugh with me that I can do it. Liberty deprived?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24425989]My jaw dropped when he said Canada was liberty deprived. I've lived here all my life and I can say it is not at all. I can smoke pot in front of a police officer on the right day, and he'll laugh with me that I can do it. Liberty deprived?[/QUOTE] I thought pot was illegal there?
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24426024]I thought pot was illegal there?[/QUOTE] It is, but for all intents and purposes, if you're in vancouver, you can't and won't get arrested for it. Or most of the country. There's very few places where it's likely to get you arrested. Hell, the official country policy on it is "ignore the user, arrest the supplier".
[QUOTE=BmB;24425960]Hey I can pull statistics with no context and thus meaning out of my ass too. Except I won't because it's stupid.[/QUOTE] [url]http://dev.prenhall.com/divisions/hss/worldreference/US/crime.html[/url] It isn't out of context. Crime has been going down in America and crime has been going up in Norway. It is as simple as that.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;24426041][url]http://dev.prenhall.com/divisions/hss/worldreference/US/crime.html[/url] It isn't out of context. Crime has been going down in America and crime has been going up in Norway. It is as simple as that.[/QUOTE] Solely as a result of the prison system, yeah. [/sarcasm.
[QUOTE=Bluefire;24425964]I actually lol'd there. I'm Canadian, and I can say first-hand that we are certainly not liberty deprived. But you can keep thinking that if you wish, if it makes you happy.[/QUOTE] He's an oify troll, ignore him.
[QUOTE=Leg of Doom;24425895]Umm right i have observed something relating to a different opinion so its automatically trolling I have observed that it's usually Canadians and Europeans who argue against the death penalty pulling all this human-rights bullshit which is hilariously ironic seeing as those are some of the most liberty deprived nations on earth.[/QUOTE] You best be trolling. I can testify that Canada is not a liberty deprived country, and it's that kind of attitude that the American stereotype is based around, and you do nothing to stop the enforcement of it, which itself is a tragedy, as it shapes the world's views negatively of the respectful Americans.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline]I thought pot was illegal there? [/QUOTE] It is, but the crackdown on it is very different in some areas. Some places albeit very small, could care less. Some places would prefer to actually try to crack down on things that actually harm society itself rather than stuff that's used for recreation I mean on 420 a bunch of people go to Parliament Hill and smoke pot right on there and the cops won't even try to make arrests.
[QUOTE=Bluefire;24426081]It is, but the crackdown on it is very different in some areas. Some places albeit very small, could care less. Some places would prefer to actually try to crack down on things that actually harm society itself rather than stuff that's used for recreation I mean on 420 a bunch of people go to Parliament Hill and smoke pot right on there and the cops won't even try to make arrests.[/QUOTE] In Vancouver at 420 this year there was 10-12 thousand people smoking out in the open buying and selling pot openly. Cops are around for security purposes and it's really quite a beautiful thing.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;24426041][url]http://dev.prenhall.com/divisions/hss/worldreference/US/crime.html[/url] It isn't out of context. Crime has been going down in America and crime has been going up in Norway. It is as simple as that.[/QUOTE] It isn't that simple.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24426039]It is, but for all intents and purposes, if you're in vancouver, you can't and won't get arrested for it. Or most of the country. There's very few places where it's likely to get you arrested. Hell, the official country policy on it is "ignore the user, arrest the supplier".[/QUOTE] I thought less than a gram was decriminalized, and you can't actually be charged for it, just have it confiscated.
[QUOTE=BmB;24426097]It isn't that simple.[/QUOTE] Yeah it is, it's totally 100% the effect of the prison system, and nothing else.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24426053]Solely as a result of the prison system, yeah. [/sarcasm.[/QUOTE] Maybe not solely, but partly.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24426089]In Vancouver at 420 this year there was 10-12 thousand people smoking out in the open buying and selling pot openly. Cops are around for security purposes and it's really quite a beautiful thing.[/QUOTE] 420 in Toronto people shat bricks when someone brought a gun, but otherwise it's the same thing.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;24426114]I thought less than a gram was decriminalized, and you can't actually be charged for it, just have it confiscated.[/QUOTE] I've heard that too, whether that's true or not, I'm not sure. I've carried about 6 grams on me at once in downtown vancouver on a normal day and been searched, but they didn't confiscate it. That was probably a one time thing I think.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24426138]I've heard that too, whether that's true or not, I'm not sure. I've carried about 6 grams on me at once in downtown vancouver on a normal day and been searched, but they didn't confiscate it. That was probably a one time thing I think.[/QUOTE] They would have in Toronto, I've heard they're really lax about pot in Vancouver.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;24426124]Maybe not solely, but partly.[/QUOTE] So you of course, sum up that it's norways prison problem that's in the wrong, and that the US's is by contrast, much better? Not any other inherent problems in the system. [editline]09:58PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DaCommie1;24426159]They would have in Toronto, I've heard they're really lax about pot in Vancouver.[/QUOTE] Extremely lax. [editline]09:58PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DaCommie1;24426131]420 in Toronto people shat bricks when someone brought a gun, but otherwise it's the same thing.[/QUOTE] Someone brought a gun? Wow, that's fucked up. The only record of violence at Vancouver 420 was a drunk guy who got in a fight with someone.
You need context, causes, correlations, trends, theories, proof, evidence, heck something, even anecdotes if you must, anything. 18% means nothing. It's meaningless.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24425619]What purpose does them dying serve. [b]After all of this argument, no one has told me why their death serves a purpose. Why eye for an eye works.[/QUOTE] It saves lives and children's innocence. Rehab just doesn't work. Rape some 12 year old, apologise, sit in class, get out and do it again. rinse and repeat. These people need to be gotten rid of
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24426160]So you of course, sum up that it's norways prison problem that's in the wrong, and that the US's is by contrast, much better? Not any other inherent problems in the system. [editline]09:58PM[/editline] Extremely lax. [editline]09:58PM[/editline] Someone brought a gun? Wow, that's fucked up. The only record of violence at Vancouver 420 was a drunk guy who got in a fight with someone.[/QUOTE] He didn't get to shoot it, thankfully, people piled on him and cops were already on the scene.
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;24426186]It saves lives and children's innocence. Rehab just doesn't work. Rape some 12 year old, apologise, sit in class, get out and do it again. rinse and repeat. These people need to be gotten rid of[/QUOTE] Rehabilitation has shown better results that punishment. Pedofiles who actually hurt children should simply get life in prison.
Stop being so ignorant you are making me itch. And you are still ignoring my most poignant post. Adress it.
[QUOTE=BmB;24425707]That's incredibly ignorant. Save for those with debilitating mental issues, a killer of 7 is just the same a person as you are. If your life had taken a bad step and you ended up in a situation you couldn't resolve except with deadly force or you had made a bad judgement that put you in a helpless path that led you to taking lives, would you not want to be given the chance at redemption? Would you not want to be given the chance to repent your actions and make it up to society? Or would you rather the angry mob line up with their idiotic hypocritical eye for an eye values and seeing you as an animal as you are strung up?[/QUOTE] You missed the point. I said repeat. So if they do it again and again and again.
Maybe if they do it again it's because you did nothing to help them. And if they really can't be helped, well, they need medicine not death.
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;24426219]You missed the point. I said repeat. So if they do it again and again and again.[/QUOTE] "Rehab doesn't work" = not true. So your point is moot. Some people won't be fixed. So you lock them up, why do you need to shed blood? What does more blood solve?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;24426205]He didn't get to shoot it, thankfully, people piled on him and cops were already on the scene.[/QUOTE] I like when things like this happen, shows that humans will work together to stop someone from killing
There are no people who "won't be fixed". Don't be such a sociopath and use some empathy for once. If someone kills someone else there is a good reason for it. They don't just up and one day decide they want to be a criminal and join the forces of evil against law abiding citizens. This isn't a comic.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1]I thought less than a gram was decriminalized, and you can't actually be charged for it, just have it confiscated. [/QUOTE] This is halfway enforced in the Ottawa area. I don't smoke pot personally or smoke at all for that matter (although I'm all for legalization, since there's no evidence it actually makes people "dangerous", or atleast the way the government wishes to portray it). But this is just from first on experience when hanging out with my friends who do take pot. If it's an officer who needs to make a quota, don't hope too much, but if it's a lax officer, chances are you'll get it back. It's different in many areas.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24426208]Rehabilitation has shown better results that punishment. Pedofiles who actually hurt children should simply get life in prison.[/QUOTE] Then the prisoners kill them, like that Carl guy who Channel 9 Australia made the original Underbelly about. He wsa no pedo, but a killer
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