• Japan reveals long-secretive execution process
    617 replies, posted
Maybe he didn't want to be fixed. That can be fixed. [editline]07:40AM[/editline] The point is if they failed at making him see how horrible he is they weren't trying hard enough.
[QUOTE=JDK721;24421606]disgusting I didn't know japan had the death penalty still. japan and america are basically the only industrialized countries who still execute their own citizens.[/QUOTE] hahahahahaha there's nothing you can do about it hahahahahahaha death to them all
This is a quote I remember from somewhere that can be applied to this argument :3 "There are two ways something can be done. 1. The wrong way which results in chaos and discord 2. The right way Most people will choose the first one" I'm not sure if those are the exact words, but it's along those lines, and everywhere I go, I see that it's true.
I think that whenever possible life without parole should be implemented when a criminal obviously won't stop committing crimes after released. However, I also think that for particularly heinous offenses the death penalty is an acceptable alternative. For example, if a man were to rape a woman, and then leave, and was found and convicted, that's not a death penalty. However, if a man kidnapped a woman, and held her against her will for weeks, torturing and raping her the entire time, I think that he deserves the death penalty. When it comes to murder, if a person were to murder multiple people, for whatever reason, that's not death penalty, but killing multiple people and mutilating and feeding on their corpses would be. [QUOTE=BmB;24426258]There are no people who "won't be fixed". Don't be such a sociopath and use some empathy for once. If someone kills someone else there is a good reason for it. They don't just up and one day decide they want to be a criminal and join the forces of evil against law abiding citizens. This isn't a comic.[/QUOTE] I doubt that anyone here is advocating death penalty for every murder or major offense, that and often like you said have a reason. The only cases where I think that the death penalty should be implemented is cases where people go way over the line. Cases where the offense itself is, by definition, inhuman, and the offender is unlikely to be rehabilitated. [QUOTE=BmB;24426895]Maybe he didn't want to be fixed. That can be fixed.[/QUOTE] How do you suggest they make him want to be fixed? People have free will, that's more than a right, that's being human. If he doesn't want to be fixed, what are they going to do that's going to make him want to change?
[QUOTE=BmB;24426895]Maybe he didn't want to be fixed. That can be fixed. [editline]07:40AM[/editline] The point is if they failed at making him see how horrible he is they weren't trying hard enough.[/QUOTE] get of your high horse. Seriously. Some of them can be taught not to do it, but most of them still think its natural even if they know not to do it because others consider it wrong. Some people can not be helped. No matter what they do. They can't pay one guy to spend 18 hours a day with someone forever, because if they need to go that far, they can't be changed
Sure they can, if they can do it for autistics they can damn well do it for pedophiles.
[QUOTE=BmB;24426895]Maybe he didn't want to be fixed. That can be fixed. [editline]07:40AM[/editline] The point is if they failed at making him see how horrible he is they weren't trying hard enough.[/QUOTE] This is HUGELY ignorant. There are people who will NEVER Change no matter what you do. You honestly think you can control someone who is a repeated murder NOT to kill 100% of the time?
[QUOTE=BmB;24427007]Sure they can, if they can do it for autistics they can damn well do it for pedophiles.[/QUOTE] Autism is very different to paedophilia. You are clutching at straws [editline]03:49PM[/editline] BmB has already lost. He is going from putting good points on the table to being ignorant. Case closed.
It isn't ignorant, it's the reality. Either they have a debilitating mental disorder or they are a thinking person just like you. Neither case should be killed. [editline]07:51AM[/editline] No it isn't, pedophilia is a sexual deviance, much like gays they simply can't help it. Autists didn't ask to have autism either.
[QUOTE=BmB;24427080]It isn't ignorant, it's the reality. Either they have a debilitating mental disorder or they are a thinking person just like you. Neither case should be killed. [editline]07:51AM[/editline] No it isn't, pedophilia is a sexual deviance, much like gays they simply can't help it.[/QUOTE] No, the reality is we have free will, and there are people out there who will not do what you say for peaceful terms. Hell, people can be tortured and never give up, thats will. You think you can change that? On peaceful terms? From criminals who kill for fun?
Free will is likely an illusion. You're demonizing them. That's the most despicable of all ignorances. Don't think "it's evil men who kill for fun" Think "they are just like me in every way, and something drove them to kill." Be that mental issue or social problems or gang wars or whatever the fuck.
[QUOTE=BmB;24427080]It isn't ignorant, it's the reality. Either they have a debilitating mental disorder or they are a thinking person just like you. Neither case should be killed. [editline]07:51AM[/editline] No it isn't, pedophilia is a sexual deviance, much like gays they simply can't help it. Autists didn't ask to have autism either.[/QUOTE] And that is the only similarity
I think if we put these anti-death penalty love of human life stuff into the context of something bigger, like an attack on a building, then I guess we don't have to fight back and kill many just because we lost many.
[QUOTE=Ghostz;24427146]No, the reality is we have free will, and there are people out there who will not do what you say for peaceful terms. Hell, people can be tortured and never give up, thats will. You think you can change that? On peaceful terms? From criminals who kill for fun?[/QUOTE] Free will? No... Chemicals control your thoughts, the right chemicals can bend anyone to think a certain way.
Yes, if you can afford to have watch over one kind of person who can't help themselves you bloody well can also afford it for another kind. Could also use prison, might be cheaper (if it didn't suck balls), but killing him is indefensible. Or some sort of institution.
[QUOTE=BmB;24427167]Free will is likely an illusion. You're demonizing them. That's the most despicable of all ignorances. Don't think "it's evil men who kill for fun" Think "they are just like me in every way, and something drove them to kill." Be that mental issue or social problems or gang wars or whatever the fuck.[/QUOTE] Gang Wars, bah. They chose to join the gang. And we are talking about the ones who enjoy it. We already established that with your side of the argument. Comparing gays to pedos is wrong.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24427184]I think if we put these anti-death penalty love of human life stuff into the context of something bigger, like an attack on a building, then I guess we don't have to fight back and kill many just because we lost many.[/QUOTE] Iraq was not invaded because of 9/11 for the last fucking time.
[QUOTE=BmB;24427167]Free will is likely an illusion.[/QUOTE] [img]http://321orbit.com/AIM/gman.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=BmB;24427167]Free will is likely an illusion.[/QUOTE] :downs: [QUOTE=BmB;24427167] Think "they are just like me in every way, and something drove them to kill." Be that mental issue or social problems or gang wars or whatever the fuck.[/QUOTE] Fine, another situation, they are loyal to the gang that fed and clothed them for life. There are members who die for their gang, the will not change. That's like telling someone from WBC that they should love gay people, you really think they will? No, why? Because they are intolerant fucks and we can't change that no matter how hard you try.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24427184]I think if we put these anti-death penalty love of human life stuff into the context of something bigger, like an attack on a building, then I guess we don't have to fight back and kill many just because we lost many.[/QUOTE] Exactly. We have to figure out why they did it and try to fix that instead of just mindless taking revenge, wasting everyones time, costing thousands of BLUFOR lives for no reason and further inciting hatred and spurring more destruction. You got it. Exactly right.
[QUOTE=Ghostz;24427224]:downs: Fine, another situation, they are loyal to the gang that fed and clothed them for life. There are members who die for their gang, the will not change. That's like telling someone from WBC that they should love gay people, you really think they will? No, why? Because they are intolerant fucks and we can't change that no matter how hard you try.[/QUOTE] Free will is likely an illusion. How is it not? Chemicals determine what you think and what you do, from the time your born until you die, what you think and feel and do is directly related to that. You're denying this and modern science and instead saying our brains are magic. Good job.
BmB, I won't reply to you any more, your just clutching at straws and not reading our entire post, just the parts you want to read. Abyss is actually making good points still. Come back when you can debate properly.
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;24427246]BmB, I won't reply to you any more, your just clutching at straws and not reading our entire post, just the parts you want to read. Abyss is actually making good points still. Come back when you can debate properly.[/QUOTE] There's really nothing left to discuss. I'd rather just remove the use of bloodshed.
[QUOTE=BmB;24427228]Exactly. We have to figure out why they did it and try to fix that instead of just mindless taking revenge, wasting everyones time, costing thousands of BLUFOR lives for no reason and further inciting hatred and spurring more destruction. You got it. Exactly right.[/QUOTE] But that isn't how a country should operate, let others kill their citizens without a counterattack
[QUOTE=BmB;24427080]It isn't ignorant, it's the reality. Either they have a debilitating mental disorder or they are a thinking person just like you. Neither case should be killed. [editline]07:51AM[/editline] No it isn't, pedophilia is a sexual deviance, much like gays they simply can't help it.[/QUOTE] The difference between pedophiles and gays is that with gays it's between two consenting adults, and with pedophiles it's between an adult and a child, who is likely not sexually mature and definitely not mentally prepared for sexual activity. I don't know if he should be killed, but he's clearly shown that rehabilitation hasn't worked for him, and that he would just commit the same offense again were he allowed to roam freely. Yes rehabilitation is the preferable alternative, but we simply don't know enough about the human mind altogether to rehabilitate every single person.
How so? I took your worst fucking case you had to throw at me and I showed you why you shouldn't kill him. I don't have to clutch at anything, you're the one whose position is down the shitter right now.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24427205]Free will? No... Chemicals control your thoughts, the right chemicals can bend anyone to think a certain way.[/QUOTE] This is true, but how can you force them to take the pills after leaving prison or hospital. And no added chemicals can really change a persons inner values, just how they act. The people who don't take them and refuse to help others help them, and kill or rape for fun need to be destroyed.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24427244]Free will is likely an illusion. How is it not? Chemicals determine what you think and what you do, from the time your born until you die, what you think and feel and do is directly related to that. [b]You're denying this and modern science and instead saying our brains are magic.[/b] Good job.[/QUOTE] 1. Free will, sure based on chemicals, in MY brain, in MY head. Should we resort to injecting their minds with the "right" chemicals then? I have rights to deny a drug and some people won't deny because of chemical imbalance, I understand this. 2. So because I believe in free will, I believe in Magic? Hurrr. Nice assumption there buddy. Point is, you cannot change someone by force.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24427265]But that isn't how a country should operate, let others kill their citizens without a counterattack[/QUOTE] Shut up and respect the lives that died in vain a little will you?
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;24427300]This is true, but how can you force them to take the pills after leaving prison or hospital. And no added chemicals can really change a persons inner values, just how they act. The people who don't take them and refuse to help others help them, and kill or rape for fun need to be destroyed.[/QUOTE] Oh I'm not arguing that we should do this, just that it's a fact of life that it's how we function. [editline]11:04PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ghostz;24427304]1. Free will, sure based on chemicals, in MY brain, in MY head. Should we resort to injecting their minds with the "right" chemicals then? I have rights to deny a drug and some people won't deny because of chemical imbalance, I understand this. 2. So because I believe in free will, I believe in Magic? Hurrr. Nice assumption there buddy. Point is, you cannot change someone by force.[/QUOTE] Just because you can't change them doesn't make it free will.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.