[QUOTE=DamagePoint;33395886]It's still throwing away your vote. By voting for an independent you could cause a shittier candidate to win office than the one that's already in there.
If people had voted for Al Gore instead of third-party candidates in 2000, Bush would have never become president and the last ten years of American history would be completely different.[/QUOTE]
It's not fucking throwing away your vote, it's bringing America one step closer to abandoning the ridiculous system we have going now. If everyone voted for an independent instead of not voting at all, we'd be a lot better off.
He can get sued for libel. At least in Britain, you can get sued for libel, not sure about the US though
Obama did the same thing with a few of the ads against McCain. Lets not act as though its only republicans that do these things.
It's not like the candidates themselves make the ads.
Yeah, I think it's pretty much on the money.
[QUOTE=Contag;33396278]Yeah, I know. It's a huge problem with first past the post systems.
my point was that if you dislike both parties, you can vote for an independent so that one party loses by more
[editline]23rd November 2011[/editline]
[I]if you are not going to vote, you might as well vote for any independent
independents only take the votes [B]of people who would have otherwise voted for a mainstream candidate[/B][/I]
people somehow think that every person who voted for an independent would have otherwise voted for, say, Al Gore
that's not necessarily the case, because voting isn't compulsory in the US, and quite a few of those people wouldn't have voted otherwise[/QUOTE]
but... the US doesn't use instant run-off voting at the federal level
though they definitely should
[editline]24th November 2011[/editline]
also those videos are great, wish we had them in secondary school
I may be idealistic, but I hate these dirty tricks that politicians play on their public to defame their opposition. If they truly cared about their country, they would let truth prevail such that their country gains the government that the citizenry really want, as opposed to the government that they [i]think[/i] they want. If this is the only way that a candidate can get votes, things need to change.
I have a feeling that if all forms of character assassination were outlawed in politics then more effective administration would occur. Then again, I also agree that these people have the right in free speech to bear the consequences of their libel.
I could also be completely wrong, and that an ideal government should slander, conceal and cheat its country towards prosperity. I can't say that we're witnessing that working though.
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