• Against Me! Singer Tom Gabel Comes Out As Transgender, Plans On Starting Hormone Treatments
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you might think it was "obviously dumb" but it wasn't, we are not designed to do any of that stuff and we are different from other animals.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35906394]you might think it was "obviously dumb" but it wasn't, we are not designed to do any of that stuff and we are different from other animals.[/QUOTE] Your logic confuses me [editline]10th May 2012[/editline] Basically what it comes down to is that the human body is meant to function in a certain way, and if you argue with that you're an idiot. Sorry.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35905859]maybe you should get that checked. people all over the internet keep making posts like "I personally find it disgusting but it's their right to..." wrt to transsexuals and homosexuals and while it's nice and all that they're still trying to leave them be in a political sense that's also a really really crazy thing to be disgusted by. like it's yeah it's your personal belief, but your personal belief is [i]bananas[/i][/QUOTE] You don't have to be an ass about it. I'm supportive of their rights and that should be all that matters.
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;35906190]Honestly, as long as he has a penis I consider Gabel a him. Now that's all out of the way, I wish him the very best of luck.[/QUOTE] lol "now that announcing my bigotry is out of the way..."
[QUOTE=RobbL;35906432] if you argue with that you're an idiot. Sorry.[/QUOTE] yeah i guess evolutionary research is really comprised of idiots good catch there mate really exposed those dickheads!
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;35906536]You don't have to be an ass about it. I'm supportive of their rights and that should be all that matters.[/QUOTE] i'm not trying to be rude I'm just saying it's really really weird and I dunno, it seems like an undesirable state of affairs? like wouldn't you want to try to work through that so, instead of feeling that way, you don't feel that way?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35907064]i'm not trying to be rude I'm just saying it's really really weird and I dunno, it seems like an undesirable state of affairs? like wouldn't you want to try to work through that so, instead of feeling that way, you don't feel that way?[/QUOTE] Of course I'm trying to get over it. I mean, don't you remember what I was like two years ago?
[QUOTE=RobbL;35906432]Your logic confuses me [editline]10th May 2012[/editline] Basically what it comes down to is that the human body is meant to function in a certain way, and if you argue with that you're an idiot. Sorry.[/QUOTE] The human body isn't meant to do anything, it just is as it is, and does what it does. That's it. Simple as that.
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;35906190]Honestly, as long as he has a penis I consider Gabel a him. Now that's all out of the way, I wish him the very best of luck.[/QUOTE] I really hope you're aware of how much of dickhead thing it is to misgender her like that. She's a she regardless of her genitalia. It's about identity not what's between your legs. [editline]10th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;35906553]lol "now that announcing my bigotry is out of the way..."[/QUOTE] Good summary.
People need to understand that there's a difference between gender and sex.
[QUOTE=Sanius;35889423]I'm not trans or cis anything[/QUOTE] But by not being trans, are you not by definition cis?
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;35907680]But by not being trans, are you not by definition cis?[/QUOTE] I don't associate with any gender
[QUOTE=mac338;35905606]I wonder - as a straight man - if I could fall in love with someone transgendered. Which really shakes the foundations of 'what is straight?' Hell I'm guessing I could probably fall in love with a man if they looked and sounded convincingly female enough.[/QUOTE] It doesn't "shake the foundations of what is straight?" to be honest. Only if you believe that the genitals of your partner make your sexuality or that one singular expierence you may have hac makes you one or the other rather then it being a feeling within you. Being straight and male is really just being attracted to the secondary sex characteristics of a female. Or vice versa. It doesn't matter what they "used to be" or have in their pants. [QUOTE=Smug Bastard;35906190]Honestly, as long as he has a penis I consider Gabel a him. Now that's all out of the way, I wish him the very best of luck.[/QUOTE] "Hi, I'm a bigot. Heres my insincere compliment so people dont get too mad at me!"
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;35906190]Honestly, as long as he has a penis I consider Gabel a him. Now that's all out of the way, I wish him the very best of luck.[/QUOTE] No. Transgirl GENDER is always female, no matter what you say. Their legal SEX remains male until sex reassignment surgery. But they are and will always be a female. You do not consider her a he. That's ignorant.
I read all nine pages - wow.
I take back what I said, it was extremely ignorant and bigoted of me to say that. I'm sorry for being such an arrogant asshat.
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;35909436]I take back what I said, it was extremely ignorant and bigoted of me to say that. I'm sorry for being such an arrogant asshat.[/QUOTE] It's ok, all is forgiven. (Atleast with me now) It's not very often you see someone apologize for being offensive to us trans people, so thank you c:
Hey guys I'm back :v: [QUOTE=thisispain;35904989]we are not and never were designed for anything[/QUOTE] I used the wrong word, ok.
[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35909896]Hey guys I'm back :v: I used the wrong word, ok.[/QUOTE] mind explaining why you decided to call sanius a retard after that little debate cause that was really dickish of you
[QUOTE=bunnyspy1;35910138]mind explaining why you decided to call sanius a retard after that little debate cause that was really dickish of you[/QUOTE] For this particular post: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Tfs7f.jpg[/IMG] Although 'designed' was not the word I should have used, anyone who has done even high school science knows what I'm getting at. He didn't even back up his argument, instead just went back through the thread rating all my posts dumb.
i've done college level biology and what you're getting at was wrong and ignorant.
Oh and this [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/2mLAg.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE=thisispain;35910682]i've done college level biology and what you're getting at was wrong and ignorant.[/QUOTE] Mate don't even start unless you're going to back up your claims. It's natural selection or more specifically sexual selection so if you're ready to disprove it go right ahead It seems that all logic in this thread has gone out the window in favour of political correctness in order to not offend anyone. Basically you're going to have to argue that males don't seek to reproduce and pass on their genes, and that 150+ years of research was wrong Honestly I'd like to see you try
[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35910705] Mate don't even start unless you're going to back up your claims. It's natural selection or more specifically sexual selection so if you're ready to disprove it go right ahead It seems that all logic in this thread has gone out the window in favour of political correctness in order to not offend anyone. Basically you're going to have to argue that males don't seek to reproduce and pass on their genes, and that 150+ years of research was wrong[/QUOTE] "back up your claims" why don't you back up your claims, you're the one who's been claiming an awful lot. natural selection has absolutely zero to do with the tosh you've been saying through out this thread, and using evolution to smear homosexuality is insane.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35910984]"back up your claims" why don't you back up your claims, you're the one who's been claiming an awful lot. natural selection has absolutely zero to do with the tosh you've been saying through out this thread, and using evolution to smear homosexuality is insane.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/C3E13.jpg[/IMG] Oh and don't bother pointing out the fact it's referring to species, because the point is still there Also, smearing homosexuality? Let's see a link to a post. There is a huge difference in me having to prove natural selection to a self proclaimed "college biology student", and smearing homosexuals.
what point? do you even understand what you are quoting?
[QUOTE=thisispain;35911019]what point? do you even understand what you are quoting?[/QUOTE] Are you even serious? Did you download your degree from a website? Reproduction is necessary for creating genetic variation and increasing the rate of evolution. You can argue all you want that other animals reproduce asexually, but the fact is we don't. Edit: Oh wow someone who actually understands basic biology holy shit [QUOTE=RobbL;35891130] You're sort of right. The male reproductive system evolved to work with and only with the female reproductive system and vice versa. That's how living organisms minus plants, fungi, and protozoa have evolved to reproduce. If you're homosexual or asexual you're not going to naturally pass on your genes and produce offspring because you're not attracted to mate with the opposite sex. The sole purpose of sex is to reproduce. Scientifically speaking homosexuality, bisexuality, asexuality and transgenderism are biologically anomalous because of what I just explained and the fact they're caused by hormone imbalances in the womb (at least that's what I think is the general consensus) Now that doesn't mean they're 'wrong' in anyway, in the same way that going bald at 20 isn't wrong, it's just not what's meant to happen It just seems obvious to me and I feel silly having to explain it when it's basic science[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911089]Are you even serious? Did you download your degree from a website? Reproduction is necessary for creating genetic variation and increasing the rate of evolution. You can argue all you want that other animals reproduce asexually, but the fact is we don't.[/QUOTE] i didn't even say i had a degree lol evolution is driven by environment and circumstance not reproduction, hence why humans have not genetically evolved into any classifiable new species. A large interbreeding population in an unchanging environment (IE humans) faces little need for the acquisition of new adaptations yet we continue to reproduce, therefor your argument based on reproductive evolution is not applicable.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35911207] A large interbreeding population in an unchanging environment (IE humans) faces little need for the acquisition of new adaptations yet we continue to reproduce[/QUOTE] So why do we continue to reproduce? it sure aint for shits and giggles. We would die out as a species very quickly if there wasn't a biological urge for us to pass on our genes. Thanks for proving my point, guess I won't need to buy you a big red title after all
[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911232]So why do we continue to reproduce? it sure aint for shits and giggles. We would die out as a species very quickly if there wasn't a biological urge for us to pass on our genes. Thanks for proving my point, guess I won't need to buy you a big red title after all[/QUOTE] buy me a big red title that says "this guy here, he's a cool guy, and I like him [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-thumbsup.gif[/img]" and i promise not to post about just how gosh darned wrong you're being
[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911232]So why do we continue to reproduce? it sure aint for shits and giggles. We would die out as a species very quickly if there wasn't a biological urge for us to pass on our genes. Thanks for proving my point, guess I won't need to buy you a big red title after all[/QUOTE] Oh man, it's funny reading your posts. You post as if you think you're right, but you're soooo wrong haha
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