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[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911232]So why do we continue to reproduce? it sure aint for shits and giggles. We would die out as a species very quickly if there wasn't a biological urge for us to pass on our genes.[/QUOTE] we continue to reproduce because it's enjoyable. even people with zero urge to reproduce (me) have the urge to engage sexually because it's enjoyable. even people with zero reproductive function still engage in sexual contact. if the urge of reproduction was tied to evolution (we know this isn't entirely true anymore because we've abandoned the notion of reproducing for the purpose of advancing genetically) a lot of people wouldn't be fucking. [QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911232]Thanks for proving my point, guess I won't need to buy you a big red title after all[/QUOTE] this isn't fair, i have about 20 different responses but every single one would get me banned.
[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911232]So why do we continue to reproduce? it sure aint for shits and giggles. We would die out as a species very quickly if there wasn't a biological urge for us to pass on our genes. Thanks for proving my point, guess I won't need to buy you a big red title after all[/QUOTE] Reproduction and environment are huge factors in evolution - Sudden changes in environment account for more changes than random mutation. (Selection process introduce change quicker than chance does). As for why we reproduce: Instinct - We have material instincts, no species would be successful if it didn't want to create new offspring. Population - We haven't cured all of the causes of death, if we didn't reproduce our population would decrease until we became extinct. However, 'reproduction' is not a valid reason to decry people not wanting to be fertile, we have reached the tipping point where we no longer need to pass on our genes through reproduction, and evolution will play an increasingly small role as humans are augmented technologically or via bio-engineering. [editline]11th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;35911288]we continue to reproduce because it's enjoyable. even people with zero urge to reproduce (me) have the urge to engage sexually because it's enjoyable. even people with zero reproductive function still engage in sexual contact. if the urge of reproduction was tied to evolution (we know this isn't entirely true anymore because we've abandoned the notion of reproducing for the purpose of advancing genetically) a lot of people wouldn't be fucking. this isn't fair, i have about 20 different responses but every single one would get me banned.[/QUOTE] You forget - we do not enjoy reproduction, we enjoy sex. That is how sexual reproduction is encouraged (and would be selected for), we have abandoned the notion of sex for reproduction because we have both the means to control it, and the brain power to understand it.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35911288]we continue to reproduce because it's enjoyable. even people with zero urge to reproduce (me) have the urge to engage sexually because it's enjoyable. even people with zero reproductive function still engage in sexual contact. .[/QUOTE] We find sex enjoyable because there is an evolutionary function for it. [QUOTE=N0 WAR;35911284]Oh man, it's funny reading your posts. You post as if you think you're right, but you're soooo wrong haha[/QUOTE] Unless you can point out which part of my post was wrong and offer sources to prove it, I don't give a flying fuck what you think. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9rcDO.jpg[/IMG] Nice hypocrisy there mate [editline]11th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=danharibo;35911307] However, 'reproduction' is not a valid reason to decry people not wanting to be fertile, we have reached the tipping point where we no longer need to pass on our genes through reproduction, and evolution will play an increasingly small role as humans are augmented technologically or via bio-engineering.[/QUOTE] 100% agree, and you won't find a single post where I "decry people not wanting to be fertile". The entire argument started when I said that animals have a biological urge to reproduce, and this guy just says "NO UR WRONG" and then doesn't offer any arguments. Instead he says all of his arguments would get him banned, like that's supposed to convince me
[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911364]We find sex enjoyable because there is an evolutionary function for it.[/QUOTE] there's no such thing as an "evolutionary function" dogg. evolution isn't a force, it's a consequence of other forces.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35911423]there's no such thing as an "evolutionary function" dogg. evolution isn't a force, it's a consequence of other forces.[/QUOTE] He means it would be selected for, as animals that have a pre-disposition to having sex will create more offspring. I do agree that phrase is badly worded, but "evolutionary function" is a term used to describe the function of a particular structure in biology.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35911423]there's no such thing as an "evolutionary function" dogg. evolution isn't a force, it's a consequence of other forces.[/QUOTE] Oh ok, sorry. I better tell all these doctors and scientists that a Facepunch user has proved them wrong then. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/av5vN.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE=danharibo;35911439]He means it would be selected for, as animals that have a pre-disposition to having sex will create more offspring. I do agree that phrase is badly worded, but "evolutionary function" is a term used to describe the function of a particular structure in biology.[/QUOTE] Badly worded yes, but instead of people picking apart my wording, you'd think they could actually come up with an argument or something.
[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911364]Unless you can point out which part of my post was wrong and offer sources to prove it, I don't give a flying fuck what you think. Nice hypocrisy there mate[/QUOTE] Heheheh, I guess that makes two of us. I don't give a fuck about your wrong opinion.
[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911444]Oh ok, sorry. I better tell all these doctors and scientists that a Facepunch user has proved them wrong then. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/av5vN.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] hell yeah you better tell "Dr Bridget Waller, [b]Department of Psychology[/b] she shouldn't be talking about evolution, seeing as how she's apparently not a biologist. you shouldn't listen to what psychologists have to say about evolution, haven't you seen how bad those people fucked up with evolutionary psychology?
[QUOTE=N0 WAR;35911467]Heheheh, I guess that makes two of us. I don't give a fuck about your wrong opinion.[/QUOTE] And yet here you are, wasting time posting about it [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35911468]hell yeah you better tell "Dr Bridget Waller, [b]Department of Psychology[/b] she shouldn't be talking about evolution, seeing as how she's apparently not a biologist.[/QUOTE] Haha yeah, I only posted that to prove that it's a term, and exists. Didn't even take notice as to which google searched study I chose
[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911444] Badly worded yes, but instead of people picking apart my wording, you'd think they could actually come up with an argument or something.[/QUOTE] my "argument" is that you're wrong (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911471]And yet here you are, wasting time posting about it[/QUOTE] Yeah a few minutes is totally worthwhile time I should've been spending curing cancer lol
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35911472]my "argument" is that you're wrong (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻[/QUOTE] You are being both overly pedantic and not providing anything worthy of discussion. Structures and organs have a [i]function[/i], that is they [i]actually do something[/i] in a evolutionary context. Evolution does not have a "result", as it is a continuous process. Attacking the terminology of the person your taking do just makes it seem like your point of view carries no weight.
[QUOTE=N0 WAR;35911490]Yeah a few minutes is totally worthwhile time I should've been spending curing cancer lol[/QUOTE] i could be making more posts about john travoltas butthole but instead I'm wasting time here telling a dude how he can't just post fragmentary, context free jpegs of random scholarly articles and act like that comprises an argument [editline]11th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=danharibo;35911510] Structures and organs have a [i]function[/i], that is they [i]actually do something[/i] in a evolutionary context. Evolution does not have a "result", as it is a continuous process. [/QUOTE] no, it's not a process. natural selection is a process, evolution is the result of that process. it has no designs of it's own
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35911522]i could be making more posts about john travoltas butthole but instead I'm wasting time here telling a dude how he can't just post fragmentary, context free jpegs of random scholarly articles and act like that comprises an argument[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35911522]there's no such thing as an "evolutionary function" dogg[/QUOTE] The picture I posted was randomly chosen out of many google search results simply to prove that there is such thing as an evolutionary function, dogg Edit: And anyway, why are we arguing about the finer points of evolution? The whole argument was because some guy said that animals don't have an urge to reproduce, which was wrong. So I think I'm going to call it there. Argument over ok?
[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911538]The picture I posted was randomly chosen out of many google search results simply to prove that there is such thing as an evolutionary function, dogg[/QUOTE] randomly posting google results is a fucking crazy way to argue. you can't do that
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35911546]randomly posting google results is a fucking crazy way to argue. you can't do that[/QUOTE] also so is spending five bucks on a giant red title for people who disagree with you, and arguments aren't composed of cardboard boxes the more you know
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;35908108]No. Transgirl GENDER is always female, no matter what you say. Their legal SEX remains male until sex reassignment surgery. But they are and will always be a female. You do not consider her a he. That's ignorant.[/QUOTE] One of my friends didn't get bottom surgery due to thinking it wasn't that good and it's really expensive. Yet she still got boobs, hormones etc and was allowed to change her sex legally anyway apparently. I was happy for her but if she ever needed a doctors visit/checkup or something idk how that would work :v:
[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35910659]For this particular post: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Tfs7f.jpg[/IMG] Although 'designed' was not the word I should have used, anyone who has done even high school science knows what I'm getting at. He didn't even back up his argument, instead just went back through the thread rating all my posts dumb.[/QUOTE] no I'm pretty sure you spent $4 to give me a title because you're an angry childish transphobe. nice try attempting to deflect though [editline]1[/editline] btw I didn't "go back through the thread" to rate you dumb. I rated all of your posts dumb as you posted them because they were all dumb [editline]11th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Platinumcs;35911538] Edit: And anyway, why are we arguing about the finer points of evolution? The whole argument was because some guy said that animals don't have an urge to reproduce, which was wrong. So I think I'm going to call it there. Argument over ok?[/QUOTE] no the argument was animals were not designed to reproduce. nobody said anything about urges. if you're going to argue about biology perhaps you should use the proper terminology
[QUOTE=thisispain;35906985]yeah i guess evolutionary research is really comprised of idiots good catch there mate really exposed those dickheads![/QUOTE] Human genes dictate that males have a male reproductive system and females have a female reproductive system, and that males produce hormones that cause them to be attracted to the opposite sex and vice-versa. The function of the male reproductive system is to interact with the female reproductive system to pass on genes and produce offspring. Humans have evolved to function in this way- they are 'meant' to be this way. Exceptions to this are anomalous. Either stop smoking that weed or go and discuss metaphysics instead of trying to talk about science, because the way you've been thinking about things in this thread hinges on philosophy. Questioning the very meaning of 'purpose' and meaning itself is not science
[QUOTE=RobbL;35915639]Human genes dictate that males have a male reproductive system and females have a female reproductive system, and that males produce hormones that cause them to be attracted to the opposite sex and vice-versa. The function of the male reproductive system is to interact with the female reproductive system to pass on genes and produce offspring.[/QUOTE] Then how do Homosexual people work? Their very existence disproves what you just said.
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;35916863]Then how do Homosexual people work? Their very existence disproves what you just said.[/QUOTE] Hormone imbalances, likely to be caused by faulty genes. An error in a system doesn't disprove the system
[QUOTE=RobbL;35917115]An error in a system doesn't disprove the system[/QUOTE] homosexuality isn't an error because there is no system
[QUOTE=thisispain;35917168]homosexuality isn't an error because there is no system[/QUOTE] The human body is a system. Everything that exists is part of a system.
[QUOTE=RobbL;35917115]Hormone imbalances, likely to be caused by faulty genes.[/QUOTE] there's zero evidence for that.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35917178]there's zero evidence for that.[/QUOTE] Still, our genes dictate that we mate with the opposite sex
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;35916863]Then how do Homosexual people work? Their very existence disproves what you just said.[/QUOTE] Because it's not like there's any gay sex going on in any other species. oh wait.
[QUOTE=RobbL;35917115]Hormone imbalances, likely to be caused by faulty genes. An error in a system doesn't disprove the system[/QUOTE] I'm fairly certain we don't exactly know for sure what causes transgenderism to occur.
[QUOTE=RobbL;35917177]The human body is a system. Everything that exists is part of a system.[/QUOTE] that's a cop out. we know through psychology that humans are not exclusively heterosexual and never have been, courtesy of the sliding scale. not to mention plenty of animals engage in homosexual behavior as well, including animals that are extremely divergent from the human genome. [editline]11th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=RobbL;35917194]Still, our genes dictate that we mate with the opposite sex[/QUOTE] oh does it? [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=omim[/url] point out which genes dictate that.
[QUOTE=Coffee;35917204]I'm fairly certain we don't exactly know for sure what causes transgenderism to occur.[/QUOTE] Hormonal imbalances in the brain during fetal development is our best guess.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35917207] [editline]11th May 2012[/editline] oh does it? [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=omim[/url] point out which genes dictate that.[/QUOTE] Uh, the genes which give us reproductive systems?
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