• Against Me! Singer Tom Gabel Comes Out As Transgender, Plans On Starting Hormone Treatments
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I find it odd how facepunch so adamantly defends transgender people and yet, the majority seems perfectly okay with making fun of other people of other various sexual differences or any difference at all.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;35884357]What excuses? Just quote the right posts, please.[/QUOTE] Just because you call her a 'she' doesn't make you not a transphobe. It just makes you scared and trying desperately to justify yourself into a 'moderate' position [QUOTE=mugofdoom;35883246]In my defense I did call that black transsexual woman who stabbed a homophobe in self defense a she throughout the entire thread.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=mugofdoom;35883153]I'm just having a hard time not laughing at the thought of him screaming in his gravelly, broken sounding voice, all buff and tattooed up and wearing a dress, looking like he just stepped out of SNL.[/QUOTE] [editline]9th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Reaper3_3;35884371]I'm talking about on the internet. When it comes to real life it's obviously different due to having a relationship.[/QUOTE] So it's alright to treat transgenders you don't know badly, but ones you do fine?
[QUOTE=Socram;35884381]I find it odd how facepunch so adamantly defends transgender people and yet, the majority seems perfectly okay with making fun of other people of other various sexual differences or any difference at all.[/QUOTE] I see quite the opposite. Most trans related news articles have many transphobic comments, while anything related to homosexuality is all positive towards them. Though of course any homophobic posters are usually banned.
[QUOTE=N0 WAR;35884384]Just because you call her a 'she' doesn't make you a transphobe. It just makes you scared and trying desperately to justify yourself into a 'moderate' position[/QUOTE] No, I mean quoting my posts that could actually be considered transphobic. I gave you a perfectly good example in my first reply. You quoted one where I was explaining how "male" would not work as a pronoun. That's not transphobic, "male" actually doesn't work as a pronoun, believe it or not.
[QUOTE=Zeldy;35884397]I see quite the opposite. Most trans related news articles have many transphobic comments, while anything related to homosexuality is all positive towards them. Though of course any homophobic posters are usually banned.[/QUOTE] I think Socram was referring to the fact that a disproportionate amount of FPers are misanthropic or assholes, and that quite a lot of us are surrounded by 'gamer culture' where calling people faggots and racial slurs is prevalent. Maybe not, though.
[QUOTE=N0 WAR;35884384]Just because you call her a 'she' doesn't make you not a transphobe. It just makes you scared and trying desperately to justify yourself into a 'moderate' position [editline]9th May 2012[/editline] So it's alright to treat transgenders you don't know badly, but ones you do fine?[/QUOTE] No. That's not what I'm saying. At all. Forget it. Have fun arguing guys.
[QUOTE=Socram;35884381]I find it odd how facepunch so adamantly defends transgender people and yet, the majority seems perfectly okay with making fun of other people of other various sexual differences or any difference at all.[/QUOTE] that's because most internet posters seem to think that "not opposing gay marriage" makes you the champion of progressive ideals and thus you can say whatever the hell you want no matter how harmful
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;35884401]No, I mean quoting my posts that could actually be considered transphobic. I gave you a perfectly good example in my first reply. You quoted one where I was explaining how "male" would not work as a pronoun. That's not transphobic, "male" actually doesn't work as a pronoun, believe it or not.[/QUOTE] That was your latest post at the time, I was replying to all of them indirectly. Besides, you've spent most of the thread saying that she's a bad transgender and a bad woman just because she's in a band you don't like. Granted, I haven't heard this band so I dunno if they're actually that bad or not, but does it matter? Bad singer =/= bad person.
[QUOTE=Zeldy;35884397]I see quite the opposite. Most trans related news articles have many transphobic comments, while anything related to homosexuality is all positive towards them. Though of course any homophobic posters are usually banned.[/QUOTE] Homophobia and Transphobia, at least in my book, are treated the same here. That's why Jetblack's been banned a number of times for it.
[QUOTE=Reaper3_3;35884428]No. That's not what I'm saying. At all. Forget it. Have fun arguing guys.[/QUOTE] I get what you're saying. But people like clucker man and MBB are the reason I feel the need to correct people when they refer to a trans person by the wrong pronoun and explain why it is important to refer to them to the correct one.
[QUOTE=MBB;35884334]Yep, hormone therapy typically changes the voice. I'm not sure to what extent it could do so if he's already at this age though.[/QUOTE] How wrong can you be lol? Hormones do absolutely nothing about voice. Maybe you should research next time. Referring to MtFs here. You don't realize how much we go through. Hell training our voice is hard enough. Oh well, I know what I do to people like you, I shun them and keep them out of my life.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;35884442]I get what you're saying. But people like clucker man and MBB are the reason I feel the need to correct people when they refer to a trans person by the wrong pronoun and explain why it is important to refer to them to the correct one.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I can respect that, they just come across as genuine dicks with the whole "I'LL SAY WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT HUR HUR" It's just not necessary to have these pages and pages of the same arguement every thread. So yeah, I'm heading out. Doubt anythings going to be changing.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;35884343]I wasn't arguing with anyone over anything, just being a colossal dick, then I felt bad so I started calling her by her preferred gender role.[/QUOTE] evidently you didn't feel bad enough to consider the possibility that just changing a word by two letters doesn't fix transphobic nature
[QUOTE=Megafan;35884440]Homophobia and Transphobia, at least in my book, are treated the same here. That's why Jetblack's been banned a number of times for it.[/QUOTE] Ah yes. [QUOTE=Jetblack357;34568050]Nah, I think im right. And yes, men have to be men. [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PGvSoaafXiI/SxVLFCuS81I/AAAAAAAAHM8/iC2Do_rbcIU/s1600/magazines-Man's+Life,+September+1956+-+Weasels+Ripped+My+Flesh-8x6.jpg[/img] [B]THIS[/B] is a fucking man. [B]AND THIS[/B] is how a woman should be! [img]http://www.testq.com/nfs/testq/photos/0003/3893/woman_stereotype_max600.jpg?1266317551[/img] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Obvious trolling and shitting down the thread even more." - Swebonny))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Good times.
[QUOTE=Megafan;35884440]Homophobia and Transphobia, at least in my book, are treated the same here. That's why Jetblack's been banned a number of times for it.[/QUOTE] You're a good person. I'm just saying that I see more people purposefully use the wrong pronoun and generally be pretty disrespectful in trans related articles, than people being disrespectful in a gay related article. Didn't mean blatant homophobia or transphobia.
[QUOTE=MBB;35884323]No, I'll call someone by whatever god damn pronoun I want.[/QUOTE] enjoy not being liked.
[QUOTE=MBB;35884323]No, I'll call someone by whatever god damn pronoun I want.[/QUOTE] don't throw your toys out of the pram [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Personal reply unrelated to thread topic" - verynicelady))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=N0 WAR;35884436]That was your latest post at the time, I was replying to all of them indirectly. Besides, you've spent most of the thread saying that she's a bad transgender and a bad woman just because she's in a band you don't like. Granted, I haven't heard this band so I dunno if they're actually that bad or not, but does it matter? Bad singer =/= bad person.[/QUOTE] Well, I never really meant to say she was bad at anything but singing and dressing like a woman. I apologize for any further implications.
[QUOTE=Zeldy;35884519]You're a good person. I'm just saying that I see more people purposefully use the wrong pronoun and generally be pretty disrespectful in trans related articles, than people being disrespectful in a gay related article. Didn't mean blatant homophobia or transphobia.[/QUOTE] Well it's not always obvious, but I do my best to detect the subtleties. In a way, you could compare persistent use of the wrong pronoun (without overt transphobia) to something like dog-whistle racism.
Hey Megafan, while you're here could you change the title to say Transgender, instead of Transsexual?
[QUOTE=Jack_Thompson;35884555]Hey Megafan, while you're here could you change the title to say Transgender, instead of Transsexual?[/QUOTE] That does seem to be the case, the article is referring to gender dysphoria after all.
[QUOTE=Megafan;35884583]That does seem to be the case, the article is referring to gender dysphoria after all.[/QUOTE] Muchos gracias
[QUOTE=Megafan;35884349]I'd recommend that you stop with that.[/QUOTE] [img]http://badassoftheweek.com/wales.jpg[/img] Anyways, I'm pretty surprised. He/She can do what He/She wants to do but this does shed a little light on why White Crosses was different.
Megafan is really the only mod that actually cracks down on transphobes and i respect him for that.
bring TH89 back and we'll have a crack team of mods that make transphobes and racists mad
I've been a huge fan of Tom and Against Me! for years. Although this did surprise me I have nothing but the utmost respect for her and her great music.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;35884640]Megafan is really the only mod that actually cracks down on transphobes and i respect him for that.[/QUOTE] Thanks for the appreciation, but I'm just doing my job and I can't take all the credit. Swebonny in particular has banned these types of posters on a fairly regular basis as well.
The name made me think about some emo screamo shit band. That would've been golden.
[QUOTE=Socram;35884381]I find it odd how facepunch so adamantly defends transgender people and yet, the majority seems perfectly okay with making fun of other people of other various sexual differences or any difference at all.[/QUOTE] Or that the whole transgender thread just happened to start following this thread. Also, people generally talk less about transgender than gays for example so obviously they are discussed more. I haven't even seen much hate/joking about sexual differences here.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;35882851]Her. Oh god it begins.[/QUOTE] He hasn't made the transition yet, he hasn't even taken on the name. I don't see it rude or out of place to refer to him that way until he takes on the name and the identity.
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