• It is now illegal to manufacture incandescent light bulbs in the united states
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[QUOTE=Maloof?;43399234]I was reading the back of one of the boxes a couple of years ago and if I remember correctly it mentioned that you should contact a hazardous materials agency if you break one (or something like that). I'd rather use candles than have something like that knocking about in my house[/QUOTE] It says the same thing on all your medicine as well if you accidentally take too much. Do you not trust medicine because of that? Heck one of my classes had the motto of sorts "the dose makes the poison", and that was referring to hazardous materials usually.
[QUOTE=Badballer;43399049]Wasn't there a problem with traffic lights somewhere that when their lights were changed to LEDs they could no longer warm up enough to melt the frost on the traffic signals and no one could see them anymore?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=areolop;43399069]Yea.. Minnesota. Some couldnt melt the ice. That problem has since been fixed though[/QUOTE]Finally, it has been mentioned. Depending on where you live, switching from incandescent lights may or may not save money/precious environment street cred. You may actually use [i]more[/i] electricity because your lighting isn't carrying some of the heating burden. Of course I suppose the opposite would be true if you lived in a particularly warm climate. Anyway, I know this first hand when I replaced my gigantic bank of incandescent lights above my workbench (twenty 60w sockets, it was glorious) and it became harder to heat the garage. Fortunately for me, I have a wood stove in the garage and I smelt metal so I'm not actually paying for increased heating needs, I just need to chop down more trees. Of course that means more opportunities for wood that's good for bows, arrow shafts, and other uses. I switched to a LED setup I built because I [i]really[/i] do not like broken glass and I got tired of changing twenty fucking bulbs every couple of months.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;43399336]Finally, it has been mentioned. Depending on where you live, switching from incandescent lights may or may not save money/precious environment street cred. You may actually use [I]more[/I] electricity because your lighting isn't carrying some of the heating burden. Of course I suppose the opposite would be true if you lived in a particularly warm climate. Anyway, I know this first hand when I replaced my gigantic bank of incandescent lights above my workbench (twenty 60w sockets, it was glorious) and it became harder to heat the garage. Fortunately for me, I have a wood stove in the garage and I smelt metal so I'm not actually paying for increased heating needs, I just need to chop down more trees. Of course that means more opportunities for wood that's good for bows, arrow shafts, and other uses. I switched to a LED setup I built because I [I]really[/I] do not like broken glass and I got tired of changing twenty fucking bulbs every couple of months.[/QUOTE] Dedicated heating probably will be more efficient to take up the slack for those situations.
[QUOTE=deadoon;43399327] Heck one of my classes had the motto of sorts "[B]the dose makes the poison[/B]", and that was referring to hazardous materials usually.[/QUOTE] Paracelsus is my homeboy, you a health and safety guy too? :v:
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;43399350]Paracelsus is my homeboy, you a health and safety guy too? :v:[/QUOTE] Pretty much what the class was about, the phrase is extremely accurate and applies to just about everything. Going into the tech industry, but knowing how to deal with something is always a good idea, need more college credits in general so I took a class and learned a lot from it.
[QUOTE=pentium;43395856][url=http://www.ebay.ca/itm/INCANDESCENT-LIGHTBULB-25-40-60-75-100W-A19-FR-OR-CL-130V-10K-HOURS-/320834750451?pt=US_Light_Bulbs&var=&hash=item4ab33dc7f3]Just like that, a black market pops up.[/url] I'm prepped to start purchasing bulbs in bulk from China. I'm also tempted to start using bare bulb fixtures for the specialty Edison models. [img]http://edisonlightglobes.com/Shop/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Full-set-Bulbs-flat.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] If I'm going to have to pay more for bulbs now, it will forever be those.
[QUOTE=chipset;43395601]Incandescant bulbs do not last the longest and they waste massive amounts of energy. LED bulbs are superior in every single measurable way besides (possibly) recyclability.[/QUOTE] i had a led bulb burn out weeks after putting it in they only work right if you keep them on all the time
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;43399336]Depending on where you live, switching from incandescent lights may or may not save money/precious environment street cred. You may actually use [i]more[/i] electricity because your lighting isn't carrying some of the heating burden. Of course I suppose the opposite would be true if you lived in a particularly warm climate.[/QUOTE] In central Texas, I've seen many traffic lights switch to LED and new traffic lights starting out as LED and them switching back to incandescent or CFL based because the LED arrays are failing so frequently. I'm guessing it's something to do with the heat in the summer time since it gets fucking hot down here and stays hot for months at a time. 105F+ heat + non-ventilated enclosure = furnace. I don't really like the LED traffic lights because the 30 Hz flickering drives me crazy.
[QUOTE=deadoon;43399327]It says the same thing on all your medicine as well if you accidentally take too much. Do you not trust medicine because of that? Heck one of my classes had the motto of sorts "the dose makes the poison", and that was referring to hazardous materials usually.[/QUOTE] Eh, it's not quite the same really, given that my medicine isn't highly toxic and I don't keep my medicine as both a gas and residual powder inside a very fragile glass tube I'll carry on using very low watt traditional bulbs for the time being
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43399095] Seems like a first grade education is all you have if you believe some random chart tossed up on the internet. [/QUOTE] no I believe that chart because the content it presents is verifiably accurate and agrees with the research I did on LEDs vs. incandescents before installing them at home
[QUOTE=Maloof?;43399418]Eh, it's not quite the same really, given that my medicine isn't highly toxic and I don't keep my medicine as both a gas and residual powder inside a very fragile glass tube I'll carry on using very low watt traditional bulbs for the time being[/QUOTE] You can just buy them and put them on a shelf, if they're still in the box it is damn hard to break them. Also the amount of damage from mercury in a bulb or two isn't going to do a serious ammount of damage, the reason they say to contact poison control centers is for advice on how to deal with it, precautions and up to date assistance. It also pushes liability for damages from actions that result in your injury on someone else.
The price better drop way the fuck down on the alternatives then
[QUOTE=InsanePyro;43399495]The price better drop way the fuck down on the alternatives then[/QUOTE] CFLs are already cheaper for what you get, and LED bulbs are following suit very quickly.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;43398142]Oh yes, the magic of the free market; which needs to be dragged kicking, screaming and biting into any sort of environmentally-friendly initiative that might cost them a fraction of a cent.[/QUOTE] The demand for cheap things forces businessmen into finding ways to make their lightbulbs cheaper and convincing people into adopting their product.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43399515]The demand for cheap things forces businessmen into finding ways to make their lightbulbs cheaper and convincing people into adopting their product.[/QUOTE] Which is difficult when their less efficient competition has a greater market share, giving them greater profits to be able to make the opposing product look worse and their own better, thus clouding the general populaces views and giving them bias towards the worse overall product.
[QUOTE=Cmx;43396974]You cant really compare LED car lights to household LED lights.[/QUOTE] Most car LED bulbs are shitty and generic made in china LED's with just a resistor in series with them so they can handle around 12 volt. Not factoring in the voltage swings that are in the electrical system in a car (around 11 volt to around 14 volt). LED's [i]NEEDS[/i] to be driven with a current limiter, and while resistors can be used as such, they only works as good enough current limitors at a fixed voltage, which the power rail of a cars electrical system isn't.
[QUOTE=deadoon;43399345]Dedicated heating probably will be more efficient to take up the slack for those situations.[/QUOTE]Yes, but you're still not going to see the drastic improvement in energy efficiency that exists on paper. As I said, depending on the situation, you might actually have increased energy use with no idea why.
[QUOTE=notlabbet;43399374]i had a led bulb burn out weeks after putting it in they only work right if you keep them on all the time[/QUOTE] $20 says it was one of those cheap no-name Chinese bulbs which are not made to fit any testing or standard.
If you guys are worried about heating issues because of this just use AMD components in your computer's. Heating problem solved. Or AMD should get in the Heat LED business.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;43399234]I was reading the back of one of the boxes a couple of years ago and if I remember correctly it mentioned that you should contact a hazardous materials agency if you break one (or something like that). [/QUOTE] just think about it logically for a sec how much mercury do you think is in a CFL
brb starting an LED light bulb company that specializes in orange-toned natural light since that seems to be the major complaint and I haven't heard of one that addresses that yet
Wow I never realized how many members are ignorant to basic scientific facts until I read the replies in this thread.
[QUOTE=General J;43399866]brb starting an LED light bulb company that specializes in orange-toned natural light since that seems to be the major complaint and I haven't heard of one that addresses that yet[/QUOTE] There are many.
[QUOTE=TheHydra;43395755]in 20 years the warm orange glow of street lamps on a snowy night will be gone. is this what you want, obama??[/QUOTE] Probably already been said, but those are usually low pressure sodium. …I like electric lamps (and gas and etc but..). I gave presentations about them throughout my young days in school which were mostly me salivatinh about the future of LEDs. Imagine a bulb that provided the illumination for the set up of its replacement. [editline]3rd January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;43399847]just think about it logically for a sec how much mercury do you think is in a CFL[/QUOTE] Sucks when one breaks in your face/on your bed though. [editline]3rd January 2014[/editline] Also the start up power requirements of cfl (especially in the cold) are disgustingdisgusting
[QUOTE=TheHydra;43395755]in 20 years the warm orange glow of street lamps on a snowy night will be gone. is this what you want, obama??[/QUOTE] The orange street lamps aren't incandescent lightbulbs tho, they are sodium tubes iirc.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;43396289]So I'm required BY LAW to get in my car that gets ~15 mpg, drive 45 minutes to the nearest store with a recycling center, and recycle these? Yeah, I'm really saving the environment there.....[/QUOTE] It's not like you have to drive there immediately as your light breaks. Just have a box where you collect all the broken lights and dispose of them all when the time calls for it.
[QUOTE=Appellation;43400020]Probably already been said, but those are usually low pressure sodium. …I like electric lamps (and gas and etc but..). I gave presentations about them throughout my young days in school which were mostly me salivatinh about the future of LEDs. Imagine a bulb that provided the illumination for the set up of its replacement. [editline]3rd January 2014[/editline] Sucks when one breaks in your face/on your bed though. [editline]3rd January 2014[/editline] Also the start up power requirements of cfl (especially in the cold) are disgustingdisgusting[/QUOTE] Mythbusters actually did something like that, it isn't as bad as people think for the start up requirements. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgM0N7GD5Ic[/url]
[QUOTE=Lamar;43395790]I haven't tried any LED bulbs, but I've still yet to come across any CFLs that don't make me feel like I'm in a morgue. This includes the "Soft White" variants that are supposed to not have this problem.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14575796/Interesting/ccflcompare.jpg[/IMG] The difference between these two lamps in my house are much more significant to the actual eye (I just don't know how to quite capture it with a camera). But both of these are CCFL bulbs, with the one on the left being the warm one. Actually have three of these in the light fixture in my room, and they are quite nice and are very close to the incadescent ones we have in our bathroom. I can't remember when I last replaced them though. Probably at least 3 years.
[QUOTE=thisispain;43399847]just think about it logically for a sec how much mercury do you think is in a CFL[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp#Mercury_content[/url] And as mentioned slightly in that article, there's work being done on CFL's with reduced mercury content compared to current bulbs. Not to mention if people actually put their burnt out CFL's in the recycling box like they should in the first place, then it wouldn't get out into the nature. [QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;43400186]It's not like you have to drive there immediately as your light breaks. Just have a box where you collect all the broken lights and dispose of them all when the time calls for it.[/QUOTE] Just like how you should do regarding "flat" non-rechargeable or dead rechargeable batteries. So there's literally no excuses there.
it hurt my heart when jayne from firefly started spouting crap about this on twitter
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