• How Hamas uses its tunnels to kill and capture Israeli soldiers
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[quote]It was a Monday in October 2013 when residents of a kibbutz called Ein Hashlosha just east of the Gaza border strange sounds.It may have been difficult to pinpoint the source. The sounds weren’t coming from above ground — but beneath it. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soon discovered that the sounds signaled an “extremely advanced and well prepared” tunnel. Not only was the burrow remarkable in depth and length — 1.5 miles long and 66 feet underground — it was equipped with electricity and contained enough cookies, yogurt and other provisions to last its occupants several months. Israeli forces estimated that Hamas had dumped $10 million and 800 tons of concrete into the two-year project. Such “terror tunnels,” the Israeli military said in a statement Friday, are “complex and advanced.” And their use, Israel said, is “to carry out attacks such as abductions of Israeli civilians and soldiers alike; infiltrations into Israeli communities, mass murders and hostage-taking scenarios.” Describing this emerging “tunnel war,” a Palestinian militia document[COLOR=#2e6d9d]obtained by the news Web site al-Monitor said the objective of the underground network was “to surprise the enemy and strike it a deadly blow that doesn’t allow a chance for survival or escape or allow him a chance to confront and defend itself.” On Saturday, in what The Washington Post called an “audacious attack,” Hamas fighters wearing Israeli army uniforms slipped from central Gaza into Israel through a tunnel and attacked an Israeli army patrol, killing two soldiers. [B]In a second attempt Saturday to enter Israel through their tunnels, The Post reported, the Israeli military discovered Hamas operatives carrying handcuffs and tranquilizers in an apparent attempt to kidnap soldiers; the militants were killed. Also Saturday, a militant climbed out of a concealed tunnel in southern Gaza and started firing at soldiers.[/quote] Source: [/B][url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/21/how-hamas-uses-its-tunnels-to-kill-and-capture-israeli-soldiers/[/url] The whole handcuff/tranquilizer thing is kind of unsettling.
[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;45459931]Source: [/B][url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/21/how-hamas-uses-its-tunnels-to-kill-and-capture-israeli-soldiers/[/url] The whole handcuff/tranquilizer thing is kind of unsettling.[/QUOTE] It's scary to think about what else is done to these soldiers. War is shooting each other with guns, Not kidnapping them with tanquilizers and god knows what the do after.
[QUOTE=CubeManv2;45460022]It's scary to think about what else is done to these soldiers. War is shooting each other with guns, Not kidnapping them with tanquilizers and god knows what the do after.[/QUOTE] They hold them ransom for a future prisoner swap. Gilad Shalit (the prior exchangee) said they didn't treat him like shit, that's because they see them as a potential long term investment.
[quote]cookies, yogurt[/quote] Ahhh, So that's how they win the hearts of the local populace.
The tunnel is filled with nothing but big boxes of GoGurt and Chips-a-Hoy! from Costco.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45460093]They hold them ransom for a future prisoner swap. Gilad Shalit (the prior exchangee) said they didn't treat him like shit, that's because they see them as a potential long term investment.[/QUOTE] Can you source that? The only quote I can find from him that would be taken as such was from a video he was forced to make while in Hamas custody.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45460093]They hold them ransom for a future prisoner swap. Gilad Shalit (the prior exchangee) said they didn't treat him like shit, that's because they see them as a potential long term investment.[/QUOTE] is hamas's also long term investment having you post nothing but good things about hamas hopefully changing this forums opinion of hamas being good and israel evil.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45460093]They hold them ransom for a future prisoner swap. Gilad Shalit (the prior exchangee) said they didn't treat him like shit, that's because they see them as a potential long term investment.[/QUOTE] I find if funny how we have a mod who treats a terrorist organization who's shown to use civilians and civilian buildings as shields for their weapons and themselves as a good thing.
[QUOTE=sgman91;45460261]Can you source that? The only quote I can find from him that would be taken as such was from a video he was forced to make while in Hamas custody.[/QUOTE] On a device [Quote]In a forthcoming Israeli TV documentary, former Sgt.[b]•Gilad Schalit said his Hamas captors treated him well for the most part,[/b] but he feared he would never be released.[/quote][url]http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1961095/[/url] It is not secret BDSM. They percieve him as a simple POW, even though Red Cross would be required to examine him periodicaly (Hamas feared Israel's air surveillance would reveal his location following a Red Cros visit).
[QUOTE=codemaster85;45460421]I find if funny how we have a mod who treats a terrorist organization who's shown to use civilians and civilian buildings as shields for their weapons and themselves as a good thing.[/QUOTE] Anything's justifiable, good and fair if you hate Israel enough.
Criticizing Israel means Supporting terrorism? Stop using you're asses and use your brains instead. Those who keep accusing Starpluck for being so biased then you should look at you're selves how you keep justifying the civilian casualties in Gaza.
[QUOTE=Riller;45460458]Anything's justifiable, good and fair if you hate Israel enough.[/QUOTE] I wonder why he is so biased.
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;45460496]Criticizing Israel means Supporting terrorism? Stop using you're asses and use your brains instead. Those who keep accusing Starpluck for being so biased then you should look at you're selves how you keep justifying the civilian casualties in Gaza.[/QUOTE] Neither is good, but hamas is the one firing rockets into Israel and breaking ceasefires/peace talks.
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;45460496]Criticizing Israel means Supporting terrorism? Stop using you're asses and use your brains instead. Those who keep accusing Starpluck for being so biased then you should look at you're selves how you keep justifying the civilian casualties in Gaza.[/QUOTE] You can't fight an enemy that hides among the populace in civilian clothes and fires rockets from civilian buildings and not expect innocent casualties, no matter how you swing it, you can't prevent that from happening when you are fighting an enemy like Hamas that doesn't give two fucks if they use their own people as shields, they know Israel wouldn't keep off the artillery trigger finger for long. With Hamas gone, watch things improve immensely.
[QUOTE=seano12;45460502]I wonder why he is so biased.[/QUOTE] JEWS
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;45460496]Criticizing Israel means Supporting terrorism? Stop using you're asses and use your brains instead. Those who keep accusing Starpluck for being so biased then you should look at you're selves how you keep justifying the civilian casualties in Gaza.[/QUOTE] Yes obviously all Starpluck do is just criticize Israel itself and not support Hamas. He has never done anything like tried painting Hamas in a positive light or cheered on the deaths of Israeli soldiers. He is the best mod.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;45460762]With Hamas gone, watch things improve immensely.[/QUOTE] For a time. Pretty sure Islamists will see the power vacuum created with Hamas' absence. The void would soon be filled. And the "good fight" will continue just as their "good books" incentify. [added]1405990640[/added] Let's not forget that Israeli actions have also created a lot of incentive for Hamas substitutes to come forward.
[QUOTE=CubeManv2;45460281]is hamas's also long term investment having you post nothing but good things about hamas hopefully changing this forums opinion of hamas being good and israel evil.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure he doesn't support hamas, both sides are terrible, but It's hard not to hate on Israel for, you know, treating the people that lived there before them like shit and bombing hospitals and homes in their territory. You guys really think that people living in Gaza AREN'T going to support a group that seems like they're fighting for them? I don't think your average Palestinian can get reliable news 24/7 and do research on the shitty group that they see as the only thing keeping them safe for the past 30 years. Yes, hamas needs to be destroyed, but at the current rate, 500+ civilians have been killed and thousands wounded, if some people are weary of hamas, I'm sure the recent wave of airstrikes is convincing more people that hamas's cause is just, Israel doesn't seem to realize or care about winning the support of the Palestinian people.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;45461023]You guys really think that people living in Gaza AREN'T going to support a group that seems like they're fighting for them? I don't think your average Palestinian can get reliable news 24/7 and do research on the shitty group that they see as the only thing keeping them safe for the past 30 years.[/QUOTE] This seriously makes a lot of sense.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;45461023][b]I'm pretty sure he doesn't support hamas[/b], both sides are terrible, but It's hard not to hate on Israel for, you know, treating the people that lived there before them like shit and bombing hospitals and homes in their territory. You guys really think that people living in Gaza AREN'T going to support a group that seems like they're fighting for them? I don't think your average Palestinian can get reliable news 24/7 and do research on the shitty group that they see as the only thing keeping them safe for the past 30 years. Yes, hamas needs to be destroyed, but at the current rate, 500+ civilians have been killed and thousands wounded, if some people are weary of hamas, I'm sure the recent wave of airstrikes is convincing more people that hamas's cause is just, Israel doesn't seem to realize or care about winning the support of the Palestinian people.[/QUOTE] While I for the most part agree with you, Starpluck does pretty blatantly and actively support Hamas whenever they're mentioned.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;45461023]I'm pretty sure he doesn't support hamas, both sides are terrible, but It's hard not to hate on Israel for, you know, treating the people that lived there before them like shit and bombing hospitals and homes in their territory. You guys really think that people living in Gaza AREN'T going to support a group that seems like they're fighting for them? I don't think your average Palestinian can get reliable news 24/7 and do research on the shitty group that they see as the only thing keeping them safe for the past 30 years. Yes, hamas needs to be destroyed, but at the current rate, 500+ civilians have been killed and thousands wounded, if some people are weary of hamas, I'm sure the recent wave of airstrikes is convincing more people that hamas's cause is just, Israel doesn't seem to realize or care about winning the support of the Palestinian people.[/QUOTE] Anyone older than 8 should remember that they were much better off with Fatah.
[QUOTE=sgman91;45461564]Anyone older than 8 should remember that they were much better off with Fatah.[/QUOTE] "Y-yes, Hamas is better, Hamas is better! Please don't kill me and my children!" "No, sure! We definitely [I]adore[/I] the guys who are taking us hostage and purposefully making sure Israeli missiles hit us! We love them, of course!" It's fear-based. They're terrified of what'll happen if they don't actively support them.
Starpluck may be pretty heavily against Israel, and maybe sometimes he says some pretty extreme things, but when you consider they've killed hundreds of civilians just recently I think an extreme opinion is pretty warranted. I don't like hamas at all, but they're the unfortunate side effect of such unbelievable cruelty
Irredeemable human trash can be found on both sides, so it's dumb to pick one or the other.
Hamas breaks truces and uses human shields. Israel forces people out of land they own and gives the bare minimum shit about killing civilians. Both are assholes, and I feel sorry for the civilians on both sides.
[QUOTE=Elspin;45461647]Starpluck may be pretty heavily against Israel, and maybe sometimes he says some pretty extreme things, but when you consider they've killed hundreds of civilians just recently I think an extreme opinion is pretty warranted. I don't like hamas at all, but they're the unfortunate side effect of such unbelievable cruelty[/QUOTE] I'll say it again: Hamas came into power after Israel STOPPED the military occupation and took down the majority of the blockades. The currents actions of Israel including the blockade and military attacks are a response to Hamas, not the other way around.
Hamas is just as bad if not worse than Israel, it's just sad that civilians in the Gaza strip and Israel get caught up in it. Starpluck showed how much of a hypocrite and how biased he was in another thread, it was hilariously bad. Israel strikes civilian locations, Hamas uses civilians as human shields, however Israel has used warnings when civilians are directly involved. Hell, Israel could step down to Hamas' level and fire rockets indiscriminately at civilian locations if they wanted to. Israel is just lucky they have the Iron Dome.
Bias towards either side is useless in such a pointless and irresponsible conflict, you're on the losing side either way at this point. As for the tunneling, reminds me of Iwo Jima, minus the hostages.
Yogurt is a quite strange choice, to be honest. I mean, it must be preserved in cold, so they need to have freezers there. I'd rather choose some instant noodles maybe.
[QUOTE=sgman91;45461753]I'll say it again: Hamas came into power after Israel STOPPED the military occupation and took down the majority of the blockades. The currents actions of Israel including the blockade and military attacks are a response to Hamas, not the other way around.[/QUOTE] And it's going to continue until Palestine doesn't exist anymore.
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