• Costco sells gas on the cheap, gas station conglomerate fights to continue charging a premium
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I swear Chevron gas seems to last longer too, but damn is it expensive.
[QUOTE=Del91;43024197]I swear Chevron gas seems to last longer too, but damn is it expensive.[/QUOTE] The Chevron here is $3.21 a gallon for regular, Shell is generally a penny less or 3 cents more. Arco is $3.18 currently and Costco is probably about the same but about 3 miles away. I could save a whopping .30 or to the same effect I could dump in a cup of water(don't take this literally). So basically $1 of insurance a week on a cleanly running car tops equates to about $50 a year. You'll also get better milage on a higher quality blend of gas and it will surely equate to more than $50 saved a year let alone hypothetical wear/maintenance. There are winter and summer blends of gas to meet EPA regulations and a ton more, these blends also affect your mileage and power. Cheaper gas will essentially be like buying winter gas all year round while in the winter it's even worse really. I also live in Oregon, we aren't allowed to pump our own gas. This means at cheap shitty stations where the attendants bust ass and don't give a fuck you get gas spilt all down the side of your car. I've never had that problem at Chevron ever. Basically, if you have to line up for gas and waste your own time as well as driving out of your way you've already forfeit absolutely all what you saved and are only getting less than you should in the end for some meaningless pocket change that day. Get gas local to you or on your route at your favorite place that's a Top-Tier station, there's nothing else to it. Anymore effort involved far surpasses the effort I've even involved writing this post and is 100% wasted.
[QUOTE=slayer3032;43023639]Detergents in your gas are as equally important as octane really, sure if you lease some shitbox Chevy Aveo and give no fucks what happens to it past 75k miles, cheap gas away if you want to knowingly ruin something for being cheap. There's still a few Texaco stations about locally here, it's a list and it really hasn't changed. I was just using it as a basis for the bare minimum for station selection when you have a choice.[/QUOTE] There are a few problems here: 1.) "Top Tier" gas is just a marketing term and the program is run by a group of 5 (7 if you don't count partnerships) automobile manufacturers. Gasoline companies have to pay [i]them[/i] to have their fuel tested and then have to pay an annual fee to use the title. 2.) The "Top Tier" designation does not require any more additives than the EPA, although participating companies typically provide 2x - 3x (this being the only advantage they have over other companies, which use the same base fuel from usually the same refinery). If you look at their standards, it clearly states this. 3.) Many Costcos (including the one near me) now sell gasoline which has 5x the EPA minimum detergent requirement. Technically speaking, Costco now sells gasoline with twice the detergents of "Top Tier" gasoline. However, they opted not to pay the auto companies to license the term, which would have been a significant cost. Additionally, "Top Tier" vendors are required to sell gasoline at the same detergent mix rate at all stations they own - because Costco gave the location owners their own choice as to whether or not to install the additional detergent systems, they are technically ineligible anyway. The "Top Tier" website even has several jabs at Costco for advertising their superior detergent rate without enrolling in the "Top Tier" program, and goes so far to suggest that it's still inferior gasoline despite independent testing proving that it would far surpass the "Top Tier" standards. 4.) You can buy fuel system cleaning products from Costco for a few bucks, which eventually comes out to be far cheaper than opting for expensive gasoline solely because of the additives. 5.) Detergent additives cost less than 1 cent per gallon to add, making the price hike unjustifiable. 6.) Last time I refueled, Costco was under $3/gal while other companies were around $3.20, with Shell maxing out at $3.48 - that's an $8.50 savings to fill up my car, plus I get twice the detergents that you do.
[QUOTE=slayer3032;43024458]The Chevron here is $3.21 a gallon for regular, Shell is generally a penny less or 3 cents more. Arco is $3.18 currently and Costco is probably about the same but about 3 miles away. I could save a whopping .30 or to the same effect I could dump in a cup of water(don't take this literally). So basically $1 of insurance a week on a cleanly running car tops equates to about $50 a year. You'll also get better milage on a higher quality blend of gas and it will surely equate to more than $50 saved a year let alone hypothetical wear/maintenance. There are winter and summer blends of gas to meet EPA regulations and a ton more, these blends also affect your mileage and power. Cheaper gas will essentially be like buying winter gas all year round while in the winter it's even worse really. I also live in Oregon, we aren't allowed to pump our own gas. This means at cheap shitty stations where the attendants bust ass and don't give a fuck you get gas spilt all down the side of your car. I've never had that problem at Chevron ever. Basically, if you have to line up for gas and waste your own time as well as driving out of your way you've already forfeit absolutely all what you saved and are only getting less than you should in the end for some meaningless pocket change that day. Get gas local to you or on your route at your favorite place that's a Top-Tier station, there's nothing else to it. Anymore effort involved far surpasses the effort I've even involved writing this post and is 100% wasted.[/QUOTE] Oh I agree, and unless my paycheck is tight, I buy Chevron. And here in Washington, I pump my own gas. Good to the last drop.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;43024536]There are a few problems here: 1.) "Top Tier" gas is just a marketing term and the program is run by a group of 5 automobile manufacturers. Gasoline companies have to pay [i]them[/i] to have their fuel tested - not an independent tester - and then have to pay an annual fee to use the title. 2.) Many Costcos (including the one near me) now sell gasoline which has 5x the EPA minimum detergent requirement. The "Top Tier" designation requires only 2x the minimum requirement, and participating companies rarely pass 3x. Technically speaking, Costco now sells gasoline with twice the detergents of "Top Tier" gasoline. However, they opted not to pay the auto companies to license the term, which would have been a significant cost. (For the record, last time I refueled, Costco was under $3/gal while other companies were around $3.20, with Shell maxing out at $3.48 - that's an $8.50 savings to fill up my car.) 3.) You can buy fuel system cleaning products from Costco for a few bucks, which eventually comes out to be far cheaper than opting for expensive gasoline solely because of the additives. 4.) Detergent additives cost less than 1 cent per gallon to add, making the price hike unjustifiable.[/QUOTE] "TOP TIER" gas is gas that you pay more for, but has been extensively tested by the companies that make them. For example: Racetrack gasoline comes from ExxonMobil. The difference? Exxon has researched and put their special additives into the gasoline at their ratios. Racetrack tells Exxon that it wants X ammount of these generic additives and that's it. So when people say "top tier gas", they mean gas that has been designed and blended with more attention than just "let's put this much of this and ship it." The only thing you should add to your tank is Marvel Mystery Oil, and only like once every 10,000 to 20,000 miles. Using additives too often will fuck up your spark plug electrodes. Same thing goes with "detergents". Just because they are using MORE, doesn't mean it's better. Too much of a crappy detergent will mess up your engine as well. I can ONLY run premium in my mustang GT, due to the cams, timing, and tuning, and I can ONLY run actual gas like shell, Exxon, or chevron. Walmart gas will make it run like crap, as does running anything less than premium. You're also not paying for the "additives" per say, you are paying for the hundreds of thousands of hours of research and development for them to come up with that blend that's more stable, isn't as dirty running, and won't detonate (if you need higher octane and such) like cheaper gas will.
I'll trust the word of Honda, BMW and Ford above Costco any day of the week. Car companies don't profit from Chevron meeting their expectations. Yeah okay but what does that entail, Costco is by far a new player. Maybe it's better now, dunno. It's still a total joke to get gas there. You still need a Costco card to get gas on top of that. Top-Tier is indeed a pretty loose designation, Conoco is pretty different to Shell/Chevron. Last time I checked Costco was the same price as Arco here and generally is, Arco is maybe .05 less than my local Chevron and .04 less than the Shell on average. Many gas stations will vary greatly in price, there's two Shell's here within a few blocks of each other and one is literally .20-25 cheaper. It really depends on what's local and most easily available. Buying fuel additives isn't a cost effective solution unless you're running through like 50 gallons a week or something and you have a huge tank. My tank holds exactly 12.3 gallons and a fillup is about 10ish, unless you have a magic bottle which is .25 you might as well waste your money on smokes every week. Which is why going to stations which only put special detergents in their Premium gas and market their brand as that when 90% of people won't ever get it or know that they don't is silly for that reason. Shell is a huge offender of this while other stations just do the same. Maybe Costco is better, even if it is I'm still just arguing that people shouldn't just put the cheapest shit gas they can find in their tank as they are all significantly different.
Because of Costco I can now buy Liquor outside of state run Liquor stores. Too bad they tax the shit out of it now.
[QUOTE=slayer3032;43024763]I'll trust the word of Honda, BMW and Ford above Costco any day of the week. Car companies don't profit from Chevron meeting their expectations.[/QUOTE] Yes, if you read my post, they actually do. The bulk of "Top Tier" licensing costs go into the car companies' pockets, and they actively discredit companies who meet their standards but don't pay the fees. It's a petroleum protection racket. [QUOTE=slayer3032;43024763]Yeah okay but what does that entail, Costco is by far a new player. Maybe it's better now, dunno. It's still a total joke to get gas there. You still need a Costco card to get gas on top of that. Top-Tier is indeed a pretty loose designation, Conoco is pretty different to Shell/Chevron.[/QUOTE] Even if you didn't shop in the store, you would still save money with a membership, even if it was an executive membership (the most expensive one), by buying gasoline there. If you actually looked at the website you cited, you would notice that half of the companies use the [i]exact same marketing strategy[/i] of adding "3x the EPA minimum", and comparing it to the "Top Tier 2.5x standard", which is not actually a standard because it's not listed anywhere in their public standards page. Some of them even go so far as to use the same exact wording and images. [QUOTE=slayer3032;43024763]Buying fuel additives isn't a cost effective solution unless you're running through like 50 gallons a week or something and you have a huge tank. My tank holds exactly 12.3 gallons and a fillup is about 10ish, unless you have a magic bottle which is .25 you might as well waste your money on smokes every week.[/QUOTE] Fuel additive isn't bread. It doesn't arbitrarily expire within a week. The bottle is not a one-time-use thing. [QUOTE=slayer3032;43024763]Which is why going to stations which only put special detergents in their Premium gas and market their brand as that when 90% of people won't ever get it or know that they don't is silly for that reason. Shell is a huge offender of this while other stations just do the same. Maybe Costco is better, even if it is I'm still just arguing that people shouldn't just put the cheapest shit gas they can find in their tank as they are all significantly different.[/QUOTE] Costco is the "cheapest shit gas" and yet it performs significantly better than the "Top Tier" requirements. Just because they didn't want to buy into the protection racket doesn't mean their gasoline is inferior. Do your research, please, before buying into the marketing hype. For the record, most of the "Top Tier" vendors only test their premium gasoline to meet those requirements; both regular and premium Costco gasoline pass them.
You people call 3 USD for 1 US Gallon of fuel expensive? 1 US Gallon = 0.264172052 liters 1 liter (95 octanes) here in my area is around 1.509€ which is around $2.049. A US Gallon would be 5.712€ which is around $7.758. Go Portugal!
No, I call $4 a gallon expensive.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;43024842]Yes, if you read my post, they actually do. The bulk of "Top Tier" licensing costs go into the car companies' pockets, and they actively discredit companies who meet their standards but don't pay the fees. It's a petroleum protection racket. Even if you didn't shop in the store, you would still save money with a membership, even if it was an executive membership (the most expensive one), by buying gasoline there. If you actually looked at the website you cited, you would notice that half of the companies use the [i]exact same marketing strategy[/i] of adding "3x the EPA minimum", and comparing it to the "Top Tier 2.5x standard", which is not actually a standard because it's not listed anywhere in their public standards page. Some of them even go so far as to use the same exact wording and images. Fuel additive isn't bread. It doesn't arbitrarily expire within a week. The bottle is not a one-time-use thing. Costco is the "cheapest shit gas" and yet it performs significantly better than the "Top Tier" requirements. Just because they didn't want to buy into the protection racket doesn't mean their gasoline is inferior. Do your research, please, before buying into the marketing hype. For the record, most of the "Top Tier" vendors only test their premium gasoline to meet those requirements; both regular and premium Costco gasoline pass them.[/QUOTE] You mean every significant gas station chain other than Costco/Arco/Local cheap gas? Literally there's only 5 stations in this town out of easily 50+ which aren't "Top-Tier". I would save $50 a year if it even beats Shell/Chevron's prices which it doesn't always still. Doesn't pay for an exec membership. What, in what world is a bottle of liquid an unlimited resource. Walmart's $2 fuel cleaner treats 10 gallons which would would waste almost $2 each tank literally. Yeah, because Premium Arco/Costco gas detonating like shit on a tuned car when Premium Chevron/Shell works perfectly. I want you to show me where VPower or Techron fuels just "meet" those requirements and don't pass them excessively as well.
I can't believe how cheap US fuel in, in the UK we pay the equivalent of around $10 for a gallon
I'm still amazed at the US prices and I don't understand why is fuel in EU so much more expensive than it is in the US.
FINALLY I can buy liquor somewhere other than the Virginia ABC and (I think?) anytime of the day!
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;43026296]I'm still amazed at the US prices and I don't understand why is fuel in EU so much more expensive than it is in the US.[/QUOTE] Isnt because we get most of ours from canada and mexico? Atleast I heard something like that.
Americans use 87 octane? What in the flying shit? You cannot even find 92 octane any more in Lithuania, lowest octane we have is 95. Other options are 98, diesel and E85.. I haven't seen anything lower than 95 in years in Europe in general, I doubt anyone use it here anymore..
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;43026426]Americans use 87 octane? What in the flying shit? You cannot even find 92 octane any more in Lithuania, lowest octane we have is 95. Other options are 98, diesel and E85.. I haven't seen anything lower than 95 in years in Europe in general, I doubt anyone use it here anymore..[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure we use a different octane rating system
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;43026474]I'm pretty sure we use a different octane rating system[/QUOTE] Uppon reading on the matter, this seems to be true, UK and rest of Europe show the RON rating. US/Canada show the AKI rating which is the average of RON and MON rating.
[QUOTE=Gatsby;43026419]Isnt because we get most of ours from canada and mexico? Atleast I heard something like that.[/QUOTE] That's it. 50% of US oil is from canada. Euro oil is from (I believe) Mother russia
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;43026474]I'm pretty sure we use a different octane rating system[/QUOTE] Apparently you're right, but still, 87 octane (AKI - the one Americans use) equals to 92 RON (European). And as I said before, I haven't seen 92 in years in Europe..
American gas is still shit though. take a canadian car down there and the knocks begin no idea why.
Yes, there's a reason we no longer user 92 octane fuel in Europe - it's fucking terrible.
I <3 Costco's gas prices. And the amount of food you get for the price is amazing.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;43027045]Yes, there's a reason we no longer user 92 octane fuel in Europe - it's fucking terrible.[/QUOTE] Seems fine to me. I have more problems running higher octane fuel, as it causes the anti-knock system to go crazy and idle just goes up and down trying to compensate. 87 runs rock solid smooth. It just depends on what the engine was designed for. If it was designed to run premium grade, of course regular is going to cause problems.
Everyone in my family has owned their car for 10+ years of constant use without any major problems. You guys can brag about your "great" fuel, but it doesn't seem to show in any cars I've seen. If the cars I've owned are any kind of example of how cars run on 92 octane fuel then I'll take it any day of the week at half the price of 95.
It depends on what the engine is tuned for. Regular every day cars and trucks will usually be tuned for whatever the lowest grade in the region is. And Octane booster is snake oil.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;43023044]Most of the world doesn't need cheaper gas. We need cheaper methods of saving gas.[/QUOTE] Leave it to americans to rate someone dumb for suggesting we need to lessen our dependency on fossil fuels.
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I probably would have done the same, honestly.
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