• Fighter Jet for civilians searching for investment.
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[QUOTE=Diet Kane;40949031]talk to me, goose[/QUOTE] I feel the need
I can see PMC's wanting this.
[QUOTE=ToumaniSquirrel;40946922] [B]Max speed of Mach 0.99[/B] [/QUOTE] Not fast enough for looks
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40947055]Uh, it might be interesting if it could do an transatlantic or if it could go supersonic, but this seems sorts of pointless. Eccentric millionaires can probably just buy a surplus MiG if they want to.[/QUOTE] New York to Gander. Gander to London.
I doubt there's a legitimate market for this and as someone said earlier you can buy a MiG-21 for way cheaper and it'll be faster than this.
There is a reason surplus jets are cheap and its because it will cost you more than you paid upfront in jet fuel when you try to fly them. Not to mention who are you going to find to do maintenance on your aircraft? I'm pretty sure you can't get a used Air Force jet either because disarming them involves cutting the airframe. This might catch on if the fuel costs are reasonable (which is most likely because it will be a much lighter due to lack of military specifications) and the maintenance isn't something only a specialist can handle.
[QUOTE=Pig;40949766]I doubt there's a legitimate market for this and as someone said earlier you can buy a MiG-21 for way cheaper and it'll be faster than this.[/QUOTE] The entire point of a max speed of mach 0.99 is so you don't cause damage to people's homes and other infrastructure by flying faster than sound over them. If you had a disarmed MiG-21 and flew over mach 1 above civilian centers, you'd almost certainly be forced down and given a nice time as a guest of the government.
How many people who own private jets that cost $5m or more are also the pilot? The market for this is going to be ridiculously small, if there even is one. I hope it's a two seater or else it'll fail
[QUOTE=n0cturni;40949056]I can see PMC's wanting this.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure it's disarmed. Unless Kamikaze-style PMCs are going into style these days I can't say they'll be much use.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;40948706]I'd rather buy a used MIG-21 for less than the cost of a large motor home. [url]http://www.globalair.com/aircraft_for_sale/Warbird_Aircraft/Mikoyan-Gurevich/Mig__21_for_sale_60389.html[/url][/QUOTE] Location: California? Hmm that would look good in my front yard.
[QUOTE=Pilotguy97;40947081]People tried to do something similar back in the 60's/70's with the BD-5J Microjet. [IMG]http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/bd5j/bd5j-3.jpg[/IMG] Strictly speaking, it worked fine. But as it turns out, trying to sell the equivalent of a multi-million dollar sports car to the average citizen does not fly.[/QUOTE] Actually, it was a total failure. My dad bought a kit when they came out but they stopped making the engines for them, due to a design flaw and never designed another. Thats right ladies and gentleman, that jet came in a kit. The few that made it off the ground were made in people's garages. There are many stories of them crashing due to structural failures related to the tail section.
Problem with surplus mig 21s are the maintanance as well, some nightmare-ish number like 8-10 hours of work per one hour of flight are easily common for jets like a-10. Though, mig 21 may be less complicated, so not sure.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;40951849]Problem with surplus mig 21s are the maintanance as well, some nightmare-ish number like 8-10 hours of work per one hour of flight are easily common for jets like a-10. Though, mig 21 may be less complicated, so not sure.[/QUOTE] Rich people hire people to keep their stuff from blowing up.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;40951849]Problem with surplus mig 21s are the maintanance as well, some nightmare-ish number like 8-10 hours of work per one hour of flight are easily common for jets like a-10. Though, mig 21 may be less complicated, so not sure.[/QUOTE] The MIG-21 uses a turbojet engine, while the A-10 uses a turbofan. A turbojet, especially with an afterburner, is a significant;y more complex engine
[QUOTE=viperfan7;40947642]The SR-71 is a brick, it doesn't so much have lift as it has so much thrust it just stays in the air[/QUOTE] Also doesnt it leak fuel like hell when it's on the ground.
I'd rather have a Supermarine Spiteful or an F2G Corsair. If I'm going to spend endless amounts of cash, it's going to be on a piston engined aircraft. [QUOTE=RayvenQ;40957494]Also doesnt it leak fuel like hell when it's on the ground.[/QUOTE] Yeah because the joints between the metal skin plates have so much space between them. They had to have huge spacing between the plates because at cruise speed, the friction generated by the air causes the metal to heat up to the point of nearly glowing. At that point, it's expanded probably half an inch or more.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;40957494]Also doesnt it leak fuel like hell when it's on the ground.[/QUOTE] That's because they had to build everything with a lot of slack, so that when the hull heats up due to friction, and thus expands, it doesn't break apart. It doesn't leak fuel once it's in the air.
B2 bomber pls
All those sports cars lining the garages of Saudi oil kings were getting old anyways :v:
That's a good way to get shot down.
Honestly I would prefer something like a De havilland tiger moth. [IMG]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3148/2897468063_e42d93f7e6.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Frankiscool!;40951305]Actually, it was a total failure. My dad bought a kit when they came out but they stopped making the engines for them, due to a design flaw and never designed another. Thats right ladies and gentleman, that jet came in a kit. The few that made it off the ground were made in people's garages. There are many stories of them crashing due to structural failures related to the tail section.[/QUOTE] Yeah, a few years back a guy here was supposed to do an air show routine in his, but he crashed during practice: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Manning[/url]
Oh, wow, it's almost an exact copy of the BD-10. Let's hope this one doesn't have that little "mid-air disintegration" problem the BD-10 had.
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