• Steve King (R-Iowa): We should fund the wall from Planned Parenthood and food stamps's budget
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[QUOTE=J!NX;52626908]What happened to Mexico paying the wall haha [editline]29th August 2017[/editline] if you want that wall your more than welcome to use the military budget cunts[/QUOTE] But what about that nonexistent imminent threat these contractors keep warning us about?
They should fund the Wall with Representatives' wages if they want the fucking thing so bad.
All our reps can fuck off tbh, evey fucking time Iowa is in the news it's because Steve King or Chuck Grassley opened their stupid fucking mouths and say dumb shit like this. Good god I wish these fucks would stop getting elected.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52627511]I would assume the impetus is to accomplish both the 'defunding' of Planned Parenthood and a part of the funding for the border wall plan -- both fairly popular party policies -- in one motion. This might be a question better directed to Steve King. Maybe I'll ask him, since I am technically part of his constituency.[/QUOTE] Still haven't explained why you think it's a good idea.
I refuse to believe these people really exist. This is just outlandish.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52627114]Because the GOP has a very thinly veiled hatred for the poor, let's not mince words about it.[/QUOTE] Pretty much any career politician has active disdain for the poor that isn't Bernie Sanders or Tulsi Gabbard. Even progressives like Cory Booker do not give the slightest of shits about impoverished people. [editline]29th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52627143]When your country is harmed, as a whole, by the lack of healthcare options that many people don't have why do you act like this is okay? Does defunding PP actually do anything besides harm the US, and it's people? No. Removing solely does harm to your nation. I wish I could understand how to "Make things great again" like you do mate.[/QUOTE] It's really easy. Don't give a fuck about anyone whom isn't you and don't considering anything not happening directly to you a problem.
an asside, i think its probably not even legal to exclude PP from medicare services arbitrarily, especially when these ideas are usually accompanied by the funds being diverted to religious organizations instead
[QUOTE=GLH;52627216]Isn't that what they want to happen? To prevent people from getting abortions, I mean.[/QUOTE] Which would be an understandable, if still disagreeable, position to take IF federal money we're actually going towards abortions. As it stands, it's not. Abortions are not billed to Medicaid or paid for via any public funds. Planned Parenthood provides abortions, but NOT on federal funding. The entire "controversy" is the result of manufactured outrage, misinformation, and propaganda. Attacking Planned Parenthood funding is not cutting off money to abortions, but to all the other hugely important healthcare services they provide.
And this [i]entire time[/i] Trump has yet to provide evidence showing how and why (1) Mexican immigrants are causing problems or (2) a wall would stop them But they're going on about it anyway because their voter base thinks "fact checking" is a dirty word now :downs:
[QUOTE=Chonch;52627511]I would assume the impetus is to accomplish both the 'defunding' of Planned Parenthood and a part of the funding for the border wall plan -- both fairly popular party policies -- in one motion. This might be a question better directed to Steve King. Maybe I'll ask him, since I am technically part of his constituency.[/QUOTE] 72 Million in the scale and scheme of things is beyond small peanuts. It's nothing. Defunding Planned Parenthood, as popular as you may find it to be, will harm your own country. They cost so little, and do so much that I'm always astounded you'd cut an efficient agency like them out for political and ideological expediency [B]and[/B] expect a pat on the back for it. [editline]29th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52627640]Which would be an understandable, if still disagreeable, position to take IF federal money we're actually going towards abortions. As it stands, it's not. Abortions are not billed to Medicaid or paid for via any public funds. Planned Parenthood provides abortions, but NOT on federal funding. The entire "controversy" is the result of manufactured outrage, misinformation, and propaganda. Attacking Planned Parenthood funding is not cutting off money to abortions, but to all the other hugely important healthcare services they provide.[/QUOTE] It's really important to stress this. Potentially millions of women of all ages and walks of life are likely to be harmed by the lack of services and lack of information that this political game will inflict.
A reminder that red states use more federal resources than blue states. Removing these programs will hurt them more than they think
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52627114]Because the GOP has a very thinly veiled hatred for the poor, let's not mince words about it.[/QUOTE] His voter-base (right-leaning folks) have a serious hate-boner over the notion of [I]their[/I] money being "stolen" to pay for [I]other[/I] people's stuff. Doesn't matter how much money they make, they just abhor the idea altogether. Granted they have a [I]few[/I] valid complaints, such as certain items being purchasable with food-stamps that probably shouldn't be, but at the same time many of these recipients have children that they need to feed, and are living in a job-market where it's becoming increasingly difficult to a) get a job, let along multiple jobs if working part-time (as many jobs require certifications or years of experience to even be considered anymore), and b) afford the schooling required to get certain certifications for certain jobs (and even then, again, experience, literally the only exception I've seen to this in my area are CDL positions where some will offer to train you, but these companies also often have poor reputations (a trucker friend of mine is always ragging on Swift, for instance), and even if you got the CDL, there's very clear indication that this job-market will be relegated to autonomous vehicles in the near future, so that's not a guaranteed way to go either)
I like how Trump can tweet that Mexico is going to pay for it [I]and the very next day[/I] Trump surrogates will come out and say that no, actually, we are going to raid entitlement programs that let people get bread and healthcare to pay for the wall.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;52627991]A reminder that red states use more federal resources than blue states. Removing these programs will hurt them more than they think[/QUOTE] A reminder that Texas is literally underwater while Trump's actions impede & outright remove assistance efforts and will still be a Red state for his re-election.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;52627991]A reminder that red states use more federal resources than blue states. Removing these programs will hurt them more than they think[/QUOTE] I lived in Iowa most of my life, and the vast majority of far-right supporters I encountered were lower class people, many of whom needed government help to get by. And yet again and again they would vote against their own best interests for rich Republican shitbags who had never known poverty and who were apathetic to the working class at best, or outright hostile at worst. It's disgusting how far politicians can get politically just by appealing to "good old American values" while simultaneously holding nothing but contempt for those values, and it's baffling how the very people they're harming will support them time and time again.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52627426]Planned Parenthood clinics also receive Title X service and training grants from their respective Public Health Service offices. [URL="https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/114th-congress-2015-2016/costestimate/ltrpermanentdefundplannedparenthood.pdf"]CBO[/URL] estimated the exact figure of these grants to be in the neighborhood of $60m in 2015, about 13% of the total federal funding provided to the organization for that year. [URL="https://www.plannedparenthood.org/uploads/filer_public/18/40/1840b04b-55d3-4c00-959d-11817023ffc8/20170526_annualreport_p02_singles.pdf"]PPFA's[/URL] 2015-16 fiscal year balance sheet provides a slightly less workable figure detailing the total of their federal subsidy at $554.6m. Assuming the proportion (13%) is similar to the CBO's estimations, this would come out to be about $72.1m in PHS grants.[/QUOTE] So I assume you're fine with giving an even greater amount of money to the families who can't financially support their unwanted children?
Funny how Chonch suddenly has no time for this thread. I guess he just wants to see Planned Parenthood get defunded and doesn't care how. That's all I can figure out by his silence after pathetically defending it. I wait patiently to be corrected, if only Chonch would dare come back to this thread.
I wouldn't be able to survive without food stamps. It's hard enough as a young person living on my own, but I have a wife and baby. Programs like food stamps, wic, and Medicaid are the only reason we can make ends meet even with the decent job I have. It's not 1950 like these fuckers think. Nothing can be paid out of pocket anymore and private insurance is so fucking expensive it's not even funny.
And build it on the back of orphan slave labor muahahahahaha
[QUOTE=Code3Response;52627991]A reminder that red states use more federal resources than blue states. Removing these programs will hurt them more than they think[/QUOTE] Which they'll probably just blame on the Democrats to keep getting reelected
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