• Ukranian Red Cross exposed selling humanitarian aid.
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[img]http://www.kyivpost.com/media/images/2014/08/15/p18vcet7lqdap1vc87m8q3obbe4/original_new-top.jpg[/img] [quote]Individuals associated with the Ukrainian Red Cross Society in Kyiv have been found to be selling and embezzling humanitarian aid, as well as charging for free first aid classes, according to a report by Slidstvo.info, the investigative department of Ukrainian television’s Hromadske TV. The Ukrainian Red Cross Society says it started its own investigation into the alleged wrongdoing at the beginning of January, prior to the airing of Hromadske’s program. The spokeswoman for the society’s Kyiv office, Anastasia Solianyk, told the Kyiv Post that as parts of the program were filmed with a hidden camera, they cannot confirm how many of the individuals involved were volunteers or employees. The International Red Cross is a separate organization. Among the items sold by members of staff at offices in the Vyshgorod and Desnianskyi districts of the capital were cosmetics and hygiene products donated by multinational Proctor and Gamble. The products that were sold has a price range of Hr 10-200 (41 U.S. cents to $8.25), according to Slidstvo’s investigation. [/quote] [url]http://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/corruption-at-ukrainian-red-cross-revealed-by-slidstvo-journalists-405993.html[/url] [url]http://en.molbuk.ua/ukraine/104639-ukrayinskyy-chervonyy-khrest-zvynuvachuyut-u-totalniy-korupciyi.html[/url] Corruption, baby!
lmao ukraine in general is corrupt as fuck. I remember reading that early in the conflict civilians had to buy helmets and food and other shit and deliver it to the soldiers because supply officers were selling military equipment [editline]a[/editline] here it is [url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/21/corruption-eats-away-at-ukraine-military.html[/url] [quote]When the soldiers in the 12th Barttalion signed up to fight, they each were given a gun by the defense ministry. Nothing more. So their friends and families bought them everything else the men needed for battle. They collected money for helmets, bulletproof vests, medication and even vehicles. But much of that gear went missing from the warehouse before the Kiev unit ever saw action. “We saw all the ammunition in the depot; we saw the parcels full of gear that our friends sent us. But the equipment didn't reach us after we left for the combat operation,” Sergei said. When the fighting began, the troops felt the loss immediately. Because the helmets had gone missing, two of Sergei’s comrades suffered head injuries.[/quote]
Actions like this are fucking disgusting beyond words. Hopefully these shits get the long arm of the law deep in their ass.
That's what happens to people's mindset when they are occupied by the Russian for that long. It's the same case throughout the whole former Soviet Union.
[QUOTE=Araknid;49569530]lmao ukraine in general is corrupt as fuck. I remember reading that early in the conflict civilians had to buy helmets and food and other shit and deliver it to the soldiers because supply officers were selling military equipment [/QUOTE] Yep, this has happened to my cousin as well, he had to buy NV equipment and scopes.
[QUOTE=Araknid;49569530]lmao ukraine in general is corrupt as fuck. I remember reading that early in the conflict civilians had to buy helmets and food and other shit and deliver it to the soldiers because supply officers were selling military equipment[/QUOTE] That isn't entirely correct. The more general reason is that military is infected with soviet mindset, and every decision would take ages to complete. Here are two examples for you which show how bad soviet mindset is: 1) Ukrainian army needs modern encrypted personal radiostations. A military general signs off buying SOME type of radiostation (not the best, but good, pretty sufficient for the time), under his own responsibility, and forces it to be delivered by pretty much using corruption paths to speed up the process and skip all the stupid certification and testing that is required (the radiostations are already tested and certified, but 'those manufacturers are not smart, we are way smarter and only we can ensure they are good' is the typical soviet mindset). The soviet military system is getting in his way, but he has to use corruption path, otherwise soldiers will be left without any radio comms. 2) Ukrainian army needs some uniforms and other equipment. The equipment is bought, but only some standards are followed without ACTUALLY checking compliance (again, corruption at the supplier level), then this equipment sits at the warehouse because soviet mindset dictates that tons of formal and other useless procedures must be followed. So soldiers end up without military equipment (this is the primary reason why). But the military generals don't take any responsibility this way, and the decisions are delayed by months or years. Now, that equipment is just sitting at the warehouse, all new and waiting for the lucky soldiers to use it... So naturally, some dumbasses who might be in charge of storage will try to sell those. In low quantities, it doesn't actually affect things enough for soldiers to be left without equipment (there's a surplus), but it's inevitable when equipment sits at the warehouse. 'Corruption' is very multifaceted and in the military one of the primary causes is the soviet mindset and all the nonsense that comes with it. The biggest nonsense is imitation of work - lets imitate work by requiring a lot of formal procedures and tests, even if things are already tested.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49569576]That's what happens to people's mindset when they are occupied by the Russian for that long. It's the same case throughout the whole former Soviet Union.[/QUOTE] This is almost comical in its absurdity and projection. Yea guys, let's blame the Russians and stroke the historical butthurt, it's not the glaring fact that since those days the government consistently cuts the military budget. That goes for the defections and desertions as well. Typical nationalists.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49569576]That's what happens to people's mindset when they are occupied by the Russian for that long. It's the same case throughout the whole former Soviet Union.[/QUOTE] Gotta be kidding me. Ukrainians are stealing humanitarian aid and again its the Russians to blame! I agree with the Soviet mindset, but this is jut hillarious. [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=BlackPhoenix;49569913] 'Corruption' is very multifaceted and in the military one of the primary causes is the soviet mindset and all the nonsense that comes with it. The biggest nonsense is imitation of work - lets imitate work by requiring a lot of formal procedures and tests, even if things are already tested.[/QUOTE] Actually Ukrainian military took a lot from the West lately. And now it's hurt not by Soviet minset alone, but by Ukrainian mindset too. I mean a lot of people came to Ukraine to volonteur as Azov (and other batallions) soldiers. They are practically mercenaries, but paid jack shit. They were in it for an idea. A toxic and strange, artificial idea in my mind, but still worth respect. After all they came to fight for good things: freedom and shit. However Ukraine not only prolonged review of their citizenship (or right to work and stay aka вид на жительство) applications, but recently outright denied it to them. That's right, backstabbing your own soldiers. I mean nobody wants radicals, but now there are a lot of Russian volonteurs in Azov that are about to get kicked out of Ukraine and can't return to Russia because they are wanted by Russian intelligence agencies or interpol. Some reported literally "going to the woods", that's it becoming damn bandits. This is what your army suffers from. Ukrainians want everything for them, and they don't want to pay for anything. This is your mentality. The soviets had something very close that still infects post-soviet countries, but only in Ukraine it became so dominant. It's not the first time during this crisis ukrainian soldiers were backstabbed. Like when Guivi captured and interviewed some ukrainian soldiers they all said they were abandoned by their commanders. Of course I am not talking about all ukrainians, coming from a family from east ukraine. I am only talking about the hysterical ukrainians that came after the initial stages of Maidan. However roots of this can be seen deep into Ukraine's not so long history: in УПА([url]https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%8F[/url]). Now you will say that I am stereotyping and namecalling ukrainians, but I am reacting exactly how people talk about Russian mentality.
[QUOTE=Conscript;49570096]This is almost comical in its absurdity and projection. Yea guys, let's blame the Russians and stroke the historical butthurt, it's not the glaring fact that since those days the government consistently cuts the military budget. That goes for the defections and desertions as well. Typical nationalists.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty damn sure Russia has a big part in why Ukraine has been fucked for like 2 years now. But it all truly began because of the protests for EU in the end of 2014 and the fuckery with Yanukovych; jesus time flies. What I'm saying is that Russia isn't helping Ukraine at all by being there, unless I'm ignorant of how Russia has been helping Ukraine [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] I still can't believe they got away with annexing Crimea; but speaking with my friend who lives in Moscow he's told me about how much history Russia has with Ukraine and wanting the land so I guess it's kind of deep rooted
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;49570355] But it all truly began because of the protests for EU in the end of 2014 and the fuckery with Yanukovych [/QUOTE] It was 2013.
Russia doesn't help, no, but let's not succumb to nationalist myths (again). There's been an entire generation born since soviet collapse, and they're nationalist as fuck. The government has now gone through two color revolutions, yet the corruption persists. The West has only succeeded in exporting its values. Perhaps we should look towards more economic, rather than cultural explanations? Is it really because of the soviets that east slavic women are known as mail order brides? That drug use is up and life expectancy down? When do we start looking elsewhere for answers to our questions? There's quite the contrast Ukraine to Belarus, and I don't think it's simply explained by some nationalist mythos of soviet baggage or whatever. Things are not the same throughout the former USSR.
I worked with a Ukranian guy. The year before the riots. He told me about how corrupt the government was. He said "why did the US invade Iraq?" I told him about the WMD thing, the Halliburton thing, Dick Cheney, the oil thing, the Nayirah thing, etc. he said "In my country, there is much corruption... in your country," *he raises his hand up very high* "WOOSH"
[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;49570417]It was 2013.[/QUOTE] Fuck, time really does fly
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49569576]That's what happens to people's mindset when they are occupied by the Russian for that long. It's the same case throughout the whole former Soviet Union.[/QUOTE] Just fucking lol.
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49569576]That's what happens to people's mindset when they are occupied by the Russian for that long. It's the same case throughout the whole former Soviet Union.[/QUOTE] Are you for real? ...Oh shit, that dude's for real. :what: LMAO [editline]21st January 2016[/editline] Going by your logic all of eastern Europe (as well as former DDR) should be corrupt as [del]fuck[/del] Ukraine but, you know...
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49569576]That's what happens to people's mindset when they are occupied by the Russian for that long. It's the same case throughout the whole former Soviet Union.[/QUOTE] Well nah, it's more that Ukraine continued close ties with Russia after the USSR fell apart and the same criminal shitstains that took power in Russia also infected their mentality to Ukraine, or the other way round. This shitty corrupt mindset is a product of Ukraine and Russia combined. The roots lie in the way things were done during the USSR amplified by the general fuck-all-ery during the 90's. The Ukrainian oligarchs and and Russian "businessmen" are two sides of the same shitty coin, no matter what they might try to telly you.
[QUOTE=Turing;49571362]Well nah, it's more that Ukraine continued close ties with Russia after the USSR fell apart and the same criminal shitstains that took power in Russia also infected their mentality to Ukraine, or the other way round. This shitty corrupt mindset is a product of Ukraine and Russia combined. The roots lie in the way things were done during the USSR amplified by the general fuck-all-ery during the 90's. The Ukrainian oligarchs and and Russian "businessmen" are two sides of the same shitty coin, no matter what they might try to telly you.[/QUOTE] Actually while in Ukraine bandits took power, in Russia power ended up in hands of spies. There was a turning point when Putin imprisoned an oligarch everyone considered untouchable, Chodorkovsky, and the government outright seized his oil company. A lot of regular people lost money, but a point was made: you don't fuck with the government no matter how much money you have. In Ukraine that never happened. Not saying it's great, but it's different.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;49571960]Actually while in Ukraine bandits took power, in Russia power ended up in hands of spies. There was a turning point when Putin imprisoned an oligarch everyone considered untouchable, Chodorkovsky, and the government outright seized his oil company. A lot of regular people lost money, but a point was made: you don't fuck with the government no matter how much money you have. In Ukraine that never happened. Not saying it's great, but it's different.[/QUOTE] The only difference is that Ukranian goverment keeps getting support from western powers nowadays due to geopolitical reasons that everybody seems to forget, even when said goverment is doing horrible things. This is is the only thing that is pissing me off mostly. Overromantized revolution that led to even more corruption is still being whitewashed by "civil" world despite consequences. Nobody is caring that they are raising entire generation of armed nationalists due to weak rulling position, something for europe to deal with later.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;49572161]The only difference is that Ukranian goverment keeps getting support from western powers nowadays due to geopolitical reasons that everybody seems to forget, even when said goverment is doing horrible things. This is is the only thing that is pissing me off mostly. Overromantized revolution that led to even more corruption is still being whitewashed by "civil" world despite consequences. Nobody is caring that they are raising entire generation of armed nationalists due to weak rulling position, something for europe to deal with later.[/QUOTE] Well I wouldn't say that the new government is any worse than the old one, not perfect but imo better. As for the militias, I agree, it's fucking stupid to let them roam free like that and it will only bring problems. We can only hope that the rest of Europe will do their thing and help calm them like was done in the Balkans after the '90s, you don't see any Croatian armed groups anywhere in Croatia anymore for example.
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;49570355] with my friend who lives in Moscow he's told me about how much history Russia has with Ukraine and wanting the land so I guess it's kind of deep rooted[/QUOTE] Crimea used to be part of Russia before it was given to the Ukrainian SSR in 1954, only 62 years ago, so there are people alive now that still remember it. Even now the population there is 65.3% Russian and only 15.7% Ukrainian
Ukraine is corrupt as fuck and the civil war is terrible, really hope the Ukranian nazism doesn't get out of control though, since I've heard first accounts of Russians being harrased by Ukranians (such as my dad getting a knife pulled on him for saying a Stepan Bandera joke in the early 2000s)
After hearing many media news one man can conclude that Ukraine is corrupted, weak state with truly nationalist if not fascist society. Is that true? I've heard lots of bad things abour Ukrainians relation to Poles and Poland especially.
I can't imagine anything but love between poland and ukraine right now. I know how my family feels anyway.
[QUOTE=Knurr;49574782]After hearing many media news one man can conclude that Ukraine is corrupted, weak state with truly nationalist if not fascist society. Is that true? I've heard lots of bad things abour Ukrainians relation to Poles and Poland especially.[/QUOTE] I don't know if ukranians hate poles or not but I do know there are a lot of very dangerous Ukranian nazis. My grandma is currently visiting my family in America (She grew up in eastern Ukraine and lived in Siberia as well) and she was telling me stories about ukranian fascists. They were truly awful people. She had a cousin or friend or something who had to sleep on the floor of her room because the Ukranian nazis would at night shoot through windows of Russian speaking areas into the places people would be presumed sleeping.
[QUOTE=Yozora_Mikazu;49574181]Ukraine is corrupt as fuck and the civil war is terrible, really hope the Ukranian nazism doesn't get out of control though, since I've heard first accounts of Russians being harrased by Ukranians (such as my dad getting a knife pulled on him for saying a Stepan Bandera joke in the early 2000s)[/QUOTE] Ukraine is fine really. Those are very extreme cases, you will basically never ever encounter something like that when going there. [QUOTE=Yozora_Mikazu;49576076]I don't know if ukranians hate poles or not but I do know there are a lot of very dangerous Ukranian nazis. My grandma is currently visiting my family in America (She grew up in eastern Ukraine and lived in Siberia as well) and she was telling me stories about ukranian fascists. They were truly awful people. She had a cousin or friend or something who had to sleep on the floor of her room because the Ukranian nazis would at night shoot through windows of Russian speaking areas into the places people would be presumed sleeping.[/QUOTE] The interwar period and WWII was a terrible time for the region.
[QUOTE=Turing;49577086]Ukraine is fine really. [img]https://facepunch.com/fp/flags/ee.png[/img][/QUOTE] Oh come on. I mean, hell, i might be from Russia but even i cannot speak for my whole country's well being, except for city i personally live in. Wish we could hear laserbeams on that topic thought.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;49577891]Oh come on. I mean, hell, i might be from Russia but even i cannot speak for my whole country's well being, except for city i personally live in. Wish we could hear laserbeams on that topic thought.[/QUOTE] My father lives in Ukraine and I go there many times a year. I mean sure if you go around flaunting with Russian symbols you would get agressive behaviour, but thats just stirring shit and unless you do that you'll be fine.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;49577891]Oh come on. I mean, hell, i might be from Russia but even i cannot speak for my whole country's well being, except for city i personally live in. Wish we could hear laserbeams on that topic thought.[/QUOTE] My opinion is that this sucks, but at least they got caught
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