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[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35725931]Such as? I'm not saying to remove corporations completely, and I'm going to say this again because I know you have an utterly shitty time understanding points - I AM NOT SAYING to COMPLETELY remove corporations. I am saying they need to be watched like a fucking hawk because they can never be trusted. [editline]26th April 2012[/editline] Do you want me to repeat the point, or has it registered?[/QUOTE] You contradict yourself more than the fucking Mitt Romney campaign dude. "If you want to tell me that corporations are these essential organs to an economy, than maybe you should REALLY fucking look at how they historically operate. " So are corporations essential organs to an economy or not?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35725971]You contradict yourself more than the fucking Mitt Romney campaign dude. "If you want to tell me that corporations are these essential organs to an economy, than maybe you should REALLY fucking look at how they historically operate. " So are corporations essential organs to an economy or not?[/QUOTE] They aren't anymore essential then any small shop or company. They simply exist in a market based economy, they aren't essential, nor are they malignant. See? Critical thinking skills. you should try them. [editline]27th April 2012[/editline] And I asked for an example, you didn't provide one. Just another wacky attempt to zing me.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35726527]They aren't anymore essential then any small shop or company. They simply exist in a market based economy, they aren't essential, nor are they malignant. See? Critical thinking skills. you should try them. [editline]27th April 2012[/editline] And I asked for an example, you didn't provide one. Just another wacky attempt to zing me.[/QUOTE] BUT YOU ARE SAYING THEY'RE MALIGNANT FAHGFKHAG "I am saying they need to be watched like a fucking hawk because they can never be trusted." "Deregulation, trickle down economics, putting full trust into corporations who are too greedy to do anything." "You really thing someone like Alan Greenspan is this good caring guy who will run a fair business in the range of your capitalistic idea? Fuck no, the second this guy gets power, he's using it. " Seriously, do you fucking proofread your posts or do you say whatever spouts up in your fucking simple mind? It's absolutely unbelievable how devoid you are of even basic cognitive reasoning skills. This is your fucking thought process: Governor Goblin: Bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit! Someone else: You just said a bunch of bullshit. Governor Goblin: NO I NEVER SAID ANY OF THAT WTF YOU ARNT SMART UR DUMB! You literally sound like a 15 year old kid who's trying to argue socialism to his fucking classmates. "Hurr no capitalism is bad even tho i dont even know the definition of capitalism!! if u dont agree with me ur fuckin rush limbaugh and also retarded lol" You are saying the equivalent of "The lungs aren't an essential organ because the heart is an essential organ!" That's absolutely preposterous, and you, as an alleged EMT(I seriously have doubts considering how little brain function you have) should know exactly why. You can't say that something isn't essential because something else is. Corporations serve a perfectly legitimate and useful purpose in a market economy(which by the way is the ONLY economy genre that has been shown to work on both small and large scales). By the way, you are saying that corporations need to be watched over and regulated, when you espouse a system that doesn't fucking do that! Corporations and special interests currently dictate regulations. You are saying a system that would work to properly regulate the economy isn't going to work because it would devolve into the system we currently have? What. The. Fuck. Of course a system needs some form of regulation, but it doesn't need near the amount of regulation currently in place now. What we really need is a system that doesn't let corporate and special interests influence the politicians. We need a system where regulations are not written by corporations, but written by the people of the united states.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35726837]BUT YOU ARE SAYING THEY'RE MALIGNANT FAHGFKHAG "I am saying they need to be watched like a fucking hawk because they can never be trusted." "Deregulation, trickle down economics, putting full trust into corporations who are too greedy to do anything." "You really thing someone like Alan Greenspan is this good caring guy who will run a fair business in the range of your capitalistic idea? Fuck no, the second this guy gets power, he's using it. "[/quote] A smart person (read: not you), would be able to put 2 (regulation is needed) and 2 (corporations cannot be trusted by their lonesome) together. Seriously, do you fucking proofread your posts or do you say whatever spouts up in your fucking simple mind? It's absolutely unbelievable how devoid you are of even basic cognitive reasoning skills. [/quote] Seriously, you have this little bitch fit whenever I post something. It's so bad it clouds your logic. Speaking fairly here, I made the point clear. and I'm going to point this out because you are absolutly fucking incabalbe of understanding points. A: Corporations are not to be trusted. B: In response to your point that they need to exist, I'm responded that they simply be. This is your fucking thought process: [quote]Governor Goblin: Bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit! Someone else: You just said a bunch of bullshit. Governor Goblin: NO I NEVER SAID ANY OF THAT WTF YOU ARNT SMART UR DUMB! You literally sound like a 15 year old kid who's trying to argue socialism to his fucking classmates. "Hurr no capitalism is bad even tho i dont even know the definition of capitalism!! if u dont agree with me ur fuckin rush limbaugh and also retarded lol"[/quote] Oh hey look, an argument you made up, I'm so glad we're arguing what you think I'm saying. Expert fucking debating. I don't have a gold star for you, sorry. [quote]You are saying the equivalent of "The lungs aren't an essential organ because the heart is an essential organ!" That's absolutely preposterous, and you, as an alleged EMT(I seriously have doubts considering how little brain function you have) should know exactly why.[/quote] lmao, just want to let you know, an economy can be likened to an organic body, but it actually isn't. Go fucking figure! (I really hope you aren't saying that as an EMT, I have to know how economies work. Like, we deal in medicine, not finances. You may want to google what a 'medical profession' is.) What is your point? I never mentioned heart or lungs. The word organs was literally just another way of saying 'important'. It's called a metaphor, do you know what a metaphor is? [quote]You can't say that something isn't essential because something else is.[/quote] What the holy hell are you talking about? I never said they aren't essential because something else is. [quote]Corporations serve a perfectly legitimate and useful purpose in a market economy.[/quote] You do realise a corporation is essentially just a big company, right? So saying they somehow have this important role in fucking economies is flawed. My point is, if you can understand it, and I will post it exactly six times for it to seep deep into that thick as pig shit skull of yours, is that corporations aren't malignant to the workings of an economy, they, however can be very harmful to the people who are in the economy. They can exist fine, but they are not to be trusted. And require strict regulation. Again, - corporations aren't malignant to the workings of an economy, they, however can be very harmful to the people who are in the economy. They can exist fine, but they are not to be trusted. And require strict regulation. - corporations aren't malignant to the workings of an economy, they, however can be very harmful to the people who are in the economy. They can exist fine, but they are not to be trusted. And require strict regulation. - corporations aren't malignant to the workings of an economy, they, however can be very harmful to the people who are in the economy. They can exist fine, but they are not to be trusted. And require strict regulation. - corporations aren't malignant to the workings of an economy, they, however can be very harmful to the people who are in the economy. They can exist fine, but they are not to be trusted. And require strict regulation. - corporations aren't malignant to the workings of an economy, they, however can be very harmful to the people who are in the economy. They can exist fine, but they are not to be trusted. And require strict regulation. - corporations aren't malignant to the workings of an economy, they, however can be very harmful to the people who are in the economy. They can exist fine, but they are not to be trusted. And require strict regulation. There, did you read it? Okay, I can tell you'll just make up another argument anyway so this was useless. [quote](which by the way is the ONLY economy genre that has been shown to work on both small and large scales)[/quote] Except that most modern countries are slowly abandoning it and the most capitalist of the countries is in an utterly shitty state right now? Oh and that every policy or theory implemented in the US, for example trickle-down, has collapsed into a colossal fucking failure. [quote]By the way, you are saying that corporations need to be watched over and regulated, when you espouse a system that doesn't fucking do that![/quote] Socialism does support regulation. Unless you're claiming somehow socialism promotes... Free market? um I'm lost, can you explain your idiocy to me pls? I was under the impression Charles Fourier, Saint-Simon, and of course Henry Thoreau; as well as all these other influential socialist thinkers were against the deregulating aspects of capitalism. Hell, Saint-Simon supported it because he felt unregulated business got in the way of scientific advancement; agree or not, he is still is considered highly in the socialist system [quote]Corporations and special interests currently dictate regulations. You are saying a system that would work to properly regulate the economy isn't going to work because it would devolve into the system we currently have? What. The. Fuck.[/quote] What the fuck are you even talking about? I'm saying deregulation is bad, how the hell did you get... THAT out of what I said? [quote]Of course a system needs some form of regulation, but it doesn't need near the amount of regulation currently in place now.[/quote] Uh yeah it kinda fucking does. Less regulation during Reagan helped CAUSE this fucking mess. Following that path isn't going to help. [quote]What we really need is a system that doesn't let corporate and special interests influence the politicians.[/quote] uh yeah, and capitalism isn't going to help -at all- [quote]We need a system where regulations are not written by corporations, but written by the people of the united states.[/QUOTE] And how do you propose they do that? Your answer to curb corporatism is to elect Ron Paul and create more capitalism will not work. It's not designed to work - you really think capitalism gives a shit about how a company makes money?
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35727049] (I really hope you aren't saying that as an EMT, I have to know how economies work. Like, we deal in medicine, not finances. You may want to google what a 'medical profession' is.) [/QUOTE] Then get the fuck out of this thread. If you don't know how economies or finances work then you have no place talking about them. Goodbye.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35727247]Then get the fuck out of this thread. If you don't know how economies or finances work then you have no place talking about them. Goodbye.[/QUOTE] unless you're implying that me pointing out how unrelated EMT and economics are means I'm admitting to not knowing about it openly, I understand economies quite well. You're the one who thinks emergency Medical Technicians are economists or whatever. It's like me saying you need to understand Keynesian and Hayek economics in order to be a police officer
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35727264]unless you're implying that me pointing out how unrelated EMT and economics are means I'm admitting to not knowing about it openly, I understand economies quite well. You're the one who thinks emergency Medical Technicians are economists or whatever. It's like me saying you need to understand Keynesian and Hayek economics in order to be a police officer[/QUOTE] Ok then, EMTs don't need degrees to do what they do. That makes me feel a whole lot less safe, but whatever.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;35707202]Okay, then: [U]Education[/U] He wishes to get rid of the Department of Education because, besides the usual unconstitutionality arguments, it achieves nothing. And I agree. We have poured billions into the federal education system for decades and it has gotten us no where in education levels. The US is constantly falling behind in education and the government's response is to pass stupid laws like No Child Left Behind. There's a phrase in my geography class used to describe Russia's influence over it's eastern end - "Distance decay". It means, the further something gets from the core, the less influence the core has. And that's what I feel I see in the federal government with education. The distance between the school down my street to the high offices in the Depart. of Ed. is too great. [U]Foreign Policy[/U] I'm sure we'll all agree on this one - noninterventionism. America should stay out of the internal affairs of every single nation on this planet. Not only do we get many American lives slaughtered, but the civilians of the regions we occupy. Our constant interference in the affairs of other nations is what made 9/11 happen. Bin Laden said it himself in his speech about the attacks. Yet instead of doing the logical thing and withdraw, we invade more places, displace more populations and kill more Americans and foreigners alike. What does that doe? Nothing but fuel the next terrorist attack. Just as such, we should cut off foreign aid. The government hasn't a right to take money from you that you justly earned and throw it away to some dictator overseas. That money is yours, the least the government can do is spend it on helping you in some way. [U]Pro-Life[/U] He's against abortion, I know that much. But honestly, I have yet to read any of the chapters in any of his books on the subject because he always repeats a graphic personal story of his regarding the topic that I just can't stomach myself to go through. But I should remind you that he is 100% pro-life, which means he opposes capital punishment. He morally opposes it on all levels of government, but holding true to his belief in the Constitution, he allows for state held executions. As for the federal government, he is strongly opposed to it. I can list other topics, but later, as I have to head to bed. [editline]24th April 2012[/editline] Sales tax isn't the only thing he plans to use to replace income tax. He aims to reform tariffs and import taxes as well. I forget how, exactly. But a big claim of his against income tax is that the federal government should not be wildly spending so much money that they need the income tax to begin with. Everyone freaks out that the government will have no money if he gets rid of income tax, but you have to remember that he also plans on cutting a HUGE amount of government spending as well.[/QUOTE] Education: Just because something is not working does not mean you need to completely eradicate it. The best way to fix the educational system is to hold teachers more accountable and more easily fired. Emulating the French central educational system by regularly checking on teachers and paying them based on performance, and eliminating tenure would be the best way to go, and would be more effective if implemented on a Federal level instead of trying to get it done 50 times over. Foreign Policy: I somewhat agree with you on not intervening as much, but a couple things you said trouble me deeply. First of all, do not ever try to rationalize something by quoting Bin Laden. No amount of US interventionism warranted an attack that cost 3000 American lives. Osama had no excuse, he was making up shitty ones. Second of all, all foreign aid is in the interests of the United States. Rebuilding Afghanistan is a way ro make sure they stop breeding terrorists, and giving money to Israel ensures that they continue to help us out in the Middle East (even though they can be really shitty Allies half the time). Thirdly, Foreign Aid is not even that huge a part of the budget, we can work on cutting a lot of other things out first. Pro-Life: You kinda glossed over how Anti-Choice Ron Paul is. I do not care why he is Anti-Choice, all that matters is that he is, and that he intends to take that view into consideration as a Politician, which is against his own principals of letting people choose things for themselves. Now, I am not naive enough to think that he could ever succeed in banning Abortion completely, but I do not want a President with the intention to, even if I agreed with him on everything else. His anti Capital Punishment is admirable but does not make up for his Pro-Lifeness. [editline]27th April 2012[/editline] Finally good to say all of that in an orderly and gentlemanly manner
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35727276]Ok then, EMTs don't need degrees to do what they do. That makes me feel a whole lot less safe, but whatever.[/QUOTE] Neither do police, paramedics, firefighters, postal workers or anyone else who works in PUBLIC FUCKING SERVICES you giant nonce. We get something called certification and licensing. You don't need a fucking degree to know how to do tracheal intubation or splint a broken femur.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35727327]Neither do police, paramedics, firefighters, postal workers or anyone else who works in PUBLIC FUCKING SERVICES you giant nonce. We get something called certification and licensing. You don't need a fucking degree to know how to do tracheal intubation or splint a broken femur.[/QUOTE] I knew police didn't have to, but I never felt safe around them either. Whatever, it's fine. I just thought you guys were educated, versus just getting a certificate, since your job involves saving lives and shit. I don't particularly want my health being put in the hands of someone who is uneducated, but I guess it's just something you gotta live with.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35727361]I knew police didn't have to, but I never felt safe around them either.[/quote] Well I can't help your paranoia. [quote]Whatever, it's fine. I just thought you guys were educated, versus just getting a certificate, since your job involves saving lives and shit. I don't particularly want my health being put in the hands of someone who is uneducated, but I guess it's just something you gotta live with.[/QUOTE] Yeah, anything less than a degree ISN'T education. My god you live in a black and white world. [editline]27th April 2012[/editline] You know what, no, this bothers me, what the fuck is in a degree that an EMT can learn that isn't in a certification course? Please, inform me of this.
I don't know how rigorous your certification course is, but I know for a fact nurses need to be college educated. I just figured you guys were about as educated and knowledgeable as nurses. I think it comes down to knowing how to operate the tools, as well as maintain them. Also, knowing how to properly administer medications to various types of people.
Pretty much a certification course is designed to teach you everything you need to know about a specific career. Degree shows that you have an education in a specific field of knowledge. So an EMT certification course will teach someone everything they need to know to be an EMT, while a degree in medicine means a person has studied medicine and what it involves.
Nurses need to do highly extensive care taking over a long course of time. On average, we spend less than an hour with a patient. Nurses can spend up to several months. Personally, I am very knowledgeable in medical matters - however, I don't use half of it. It's pre-hospital care for a fucking reason. I'm not going to cure your god damn Angina on the way to the hospital. Certification course goes over every medication we can administer legally, all the tools on an ambulance, and how to maintain them which we do at the beginning of every single shift. This isn't the thread for this, if you're curious, PM me and I will cure your ignorance on this manner.
Yawnmen, just stop it's not worth it. You're ruining Texas' image by getting overly flustered over this minor issue, just take a break and calm down.
Texas? Where did that come from?
[QUOTE=Broseph_;35727495]Yawnmen, just stop it's not worth it.[/QUOTE] Oh you don't fucking know yawmen then.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35727517]Texas? Where did that come from?[/QUOTE][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Rick_Perry_by_Gage_Skidmore_8.jpg/192px-Rick_Perry_by_Gage_Skidmore_8.jpg[/img] "Hello there."
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35727549][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Rick_Perry_by_Gage_Skidmore_8.jpg/192px-Rick_Perry_by_Gage_Skidmore_8.jpg[/img] "Hello there."[/QUOTE] ok cool. i dont really give a fuck about texas or perry but ok [editline]27th April 2012[/editline] also its funny no one knows how to spell my username...like people dont know how to read these days
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35727565]ok cool. i dont really give a fuck about texas or perry but ok [editline]27th April 2012[/editline] also its funny no one knows how to spell my username...like people dont know how to read these days[/QUOTE] Or you just don't realise we do it on purpose. Or at least I do.
or you lack reading comprehension skills. considering your posting history and occams razor, logic would dictate my explanation being more likely.
You have not been able to pull out a coherent point, to the level of actually fucking UNDERSTANDING the person you're arguing with as far as I have seen in the past, and you want to, no you have the fucking audacity to tell me [I][B]I[/B][/I] have reading comprehension skills? All because I don't put an m in your stupid fucking name? When I just said I did it on purpose for the exact reason you did two posts ago. The ENTIRE last page was you not understanding a point I made as clears as I can possible. It is LITERALLY a click a way to show you can't understand fuck all. Get your head out of your ass. [editline]27th April 2012[/editline] You are horrible, like bad tumour horrible. Every one of your posts is just eye rolling. When you're not arguing the most asinine fucking points humanly fucking possible, you're telling people how they NEED degrees or specific education for -insert here- as if this somehow makes your argument right And fantastic fucking job on not responding to anything I said earlier, AFTER, again, not responding to me asking for an example for your point.
i dont respond to incoherent gibberish sry. i have no idea how you havent been impeached yet, you sound like a horrible governor. anyways, yea. ramble on about something or another. maybe after your done go to a community college and take an english comprehension class or something cuz you really need it.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35727730]i dont respond to incoherent gibberish sry. i have no idea how you havent been impeached yet, you sound like a horrible governor. anyways, yea. ramble on about something or another. maybe after your done go to a community college and take an english comprehension class or something cuz you really need it.[/QUOTE] My god you are terrible at insults. Shit, I can appreciate an insult if it's directed at me and it's pretty clever, but that's just a poor attempt. It's like a 15 year old child trying to perform a cold hard zing and all his little kiddie friends are like OHHHH HE GOT YOU and you're standing there going 'that's just stupid' [editline]27th April 2012[/editline] Also, does that mean you're not going to argue my points? You know the ones I pretty much dismantled you with?
If I were to vote for Ron Paul it wouldn't be for the sake of him being president, nor his policies (in my mind there's no way his stuff would even pass congress anyways, I mean not even Obama can get much of his big stuff done even now) but for the sake of potential reform among the GOP, since a president can give *some* influence over his/her party. I'd rather have a more libertarian party than... the [I]current[/I] GOP.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35727517]Texas? Where did that come from?[/QUOTE] What happened to you being Texan?
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;35720648]You can easily argue that it's selfish throwing away American lives in *insert war here* like Vietnam for an example that everyone can agree on.[/QUOTE] ...I am.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35725768]Uh yeah it kind of fucking does. This is the MAIN reason why Ron Paul's trickle down style economics has failed in the past. Reagan proved what a failure it was - the money did NOT trickle down. It stayed in the top. If you want to tell me that corporations are these essential organs to an economy, than maybe you should REALLY fucking look at how they historically operate.[/QUOTE] I was looking for sources on why corporations would hoard cash, most of them seem to indicate that some corporations hoard cash because they are apprehensive of the idea of further economic downturn, the fear of which arguably could be influenced by more government intervention in the market.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35727730]i dont respond to incoherent gibberish sry. i have no idea how you havent been impeached yet, you sound like a horrible governor. anyways, yea. ramble on about something or another. maybe after your done go to a community college and take an english comprehension class or something cuz you really need it.[/QUOTE] He's just an angry little kid. Arguing with a paranoid lunatic like him is totally pointless; instead you should learn to laugh at him, since he gets incredibly mad whenever somebody disagrees with him.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;35729762]...I am.[/QUOTE] I was agreeing. :c
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