• South Korea says Trump deserves 'big' credit for North Korea talks
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[QUOTE]SEOUL (REUTERS) - A surprising approval for US President Donald Trump's hard line on North Korea is coming from the South.President Moon Jae In said on Wednesday (Jan 10) Mr Trump's "fire and fury" threats against North Korean leader Kim Jong Un might have done its job. "I think President Trump deserves big credit for bringing the inter-Korea talks," he said. The two Koreas held talks on Tuesday for the first time in more than two years, where the North agreed to hold military talks with the South and send a large delegation to the Winter Olympics next month. Washington raised concerns the talks were a ploy to drive a wedge between itself and Seoul, but on Wednesday, Mr Moon said his government takes the same view as the US on how to respond to the North's threats and warned Pyongyang could face even tougher sanctions if provocations continue. The North, for its part, made it clear in talks: Its weapons programme is not up for discussion, but any South Koreans worried about missiles can relax. Chairman of the Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland Ri Son Gwon said: "Regarding the nuclear issues, our strategic weapons including the atomic bomb, hydrogen bomb, and intercontinental ballistic missiles are only aimed at the United States, not our brethren."[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-korea-says-trump-deserves-big-credit-for-north-korea-talks?xtor=CS1-10[/url]
so, trumps rambling actually worked? good god what is in store for the rest of 2018
[quote]"Regarding the nuclear issues, our strategic weapons including the atomic bomb, hydrogen bomb, and intercontinental ballistic missiles are only aimed at the United States, not our brethren."[/quote] I guess that's... reassuring?
I think this excerpt from Business Insider is more telling [QUOTE] Asked by a reporter whether Trump deserved credit for helping to facilitate the talks — the first dialogue between North and South Korea in over two years — Moon grinned and said that he believed the US president "did a lot" and said that he wanted to "convey his thanks." Moon's comments about Trump's role, which drew some laughter from several reporters in the room, have raised eyebrows in the US and elsewhere, given Trump's history of inflammatory tweets and statements on the two Koreas. Trump has previously made several disparaging statements about the North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un. More recently, Trump threatened the North with "fire and fury" and later floated the possibility of negotiations. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.businessinsider.com/south-korean-president-credits-trump-north-korea-south-korea-talks-2018-1[/url] He was specifically asked if Trump deserved credit. There is no way the president of South Korea is going to say no, but apparently Trump pushes the boundaries.
Trump taking credit for the talks with North Korea is like someone pouring gasoline on a fire and taking credit for when the fire department shows up to put it out.
Who would've thought it only took another equally insane dictator full of bluster and hot air, with access to a nuclear arsenal, to get North Korea to take a step back?
can we get a big golden soviet-style statue of trump in pyeongyang? that woululd be too good
No he doesn't. He doesn't deserve a goddamn thing.
[QUOTE=Zakkshockv2;53041674]No he doesn't. He doesn't deserve a goddamn thing.[/QUOTE] Scrapping the TPP was probably a good idea. Mattis is a fantastic Secretary of Defense. I think that's it.
[QUOTE=Zakkshockv2;53041674]No he doesn't. He doesn't deserve a goddamn thing.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Splash Attack;53041626]Trump taking credit for the talks with North Korea is like someone pouring gasoline on a fire and taking credit for when the fire department shows up to put it out.[/QUOTE] Perfectly in line with the "Trump is effective but we don't like it" prediction by Dilbert man
[QUOTE=Raidyr;53041681]Scrapping the TPP was probably a good idea. Mattis is a fantastic Secretary of Defense. I think that's it.[/QUOTE] I'd sell my soul for a shot at Mattis being president. I'll take one for the team, I've got you guys.
If something good arises from these talks then I honestly don't care who "takes credit" for it.
[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;53041684]Perfectly in line with the "Trump is effective but we don't like it" prediction by Dilbert man[/QUOTE] If Trump is effective in this instance, it's only by dumb luck, but feel free to ascribe this to some sort of 4D Chess analogy if it makes you feel better.
[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;53041684]Perfectly in line with the "Trump is effective but we don't like it" prediction by Dilbert man[/QUOTE] Was not Trump basically gambling by calling Kim Jong Un's bluff? What if Kim Jong Un felt this disrespect was unforgivable and began aggressive activities? It might have worked, but that doesn't mean it was smart or should ever be done again.
I don't necessarily disagree with an aggressive stance on North Korea, I just wish it didn't take place over Twitter. I don't think appeasement works with NK and we gotta sometimes say we're gonna punch back. Be willing to have diplomatic talks but, you gotta do sanctions when they do shit, you gotta talk back when they say shit. Or else they'll just continue. They're a child throwing a tantrum to get the toy.
[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;53041684]Perfectly in line with the "Trump is effective but we don't like it" prediction by Dilbert man[/QUOTE] Given that Trump's official statements on NK are basically childish outbursts I didn't take this as straight up gratitude. [quote]Moon grinned and said that he believed the US president "did a lot" and said that he wanted to "convey his thanks."[/quote] Sounds like they've been brought together by the nuclear threats of a bigger shitlord.
[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;53041684]Perfectly in line with the "Trump is effective but we don't like it" prediction by Dilbert man[/QUOTE] They obviously don't think he was effective here in the first place, so I'm not sure this is as clever as you think it is
What else was he supposed to say? "No, I don't think the president of our most important ally, the nuclear superpower that has ensured our country remains untouchable to aggression from the North and elsewhere, and with which we'd very much like to maintain pristine political relations, has done anything praiseworthy in the matter. In fact, his unchecked twitter ranting may have exacerbated the risks my country has been faced with during the past year but making such comments on official record would only give you reporters material for scathing headlines"?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;53041608]I think this excerpt from Business Insider is more telling [url]http://www.businessinsider.com/south-korean-president-credits-trump-north-korea-south-korea-talks-2018-1[/url] He was specifically asked if Trump deserved credit. There is no way the president of South Korea is going to say no, but apparently Trump pushes the boundaries.[/QUOTE] What's more, they're currently renegotiating their trade agreement with the US. The world knows how to work Trump, they just have to stroke his ego and he gives them anything they want.
So his idiotic tweets actually worked in a way that NK's hatred is focused solely on the US and any nuclear, ballistic attacks would be focused on the Us territories and not Japan/SK? Did Trump just unintentionally cooled down the Korean Peninsula? What an interesting start to 2018.
[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;53041684]Perfectly in line with the "Trump is effective but we don't like it" prediction by Dilbert man[/QUOTE] Yo you're right I just looked up effective in the dictionary and it says "possibly contributed to one good thing happening amidst a sea of historically mind-numbing incompetence, ugliness, and criminality."
It's clear this is where things were heading, though. The North Korean administration has nothing to gain from actual nuclear war. They poked the bear for a while to fabricate excuses to bolster their defenses. Now they're a nuclear threat and have a seat at the big boy table. Ta da! Praise Trump!
they're giving trump credit because its a cheap and easy way to gain diplomatic brownie points with the US. they're playing off trumps narcissism
[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;53041684]Perfectly in line with the "Trump is effective but we don't like it" prediction by Dilbert man[/QUOTE] I love how 'dilbert guy' is now a legitimate source of political insight for a lot of people. Really telling.
I mean, by all accounts, he's the first person to pretty much tackle Kim and NK's nuclear destruction claims head-on like a football jock in your face rather than go to the UN and tell them to stop being so mean. I fucking hate Trump, and I still don't find what he did really acceptable at all for a president, but apparently it actually did make North Korea falter? Then again I wouldn't take chances if someone like Trump threatened to nuke me over Twitter and wouldn't actually hesitate if he had the chance since he doesn't at all understand the repercussions.
[QUOTE=Crumpet;53044404]I love how 'dilbert guy' is now a legitimate source of political insight for a lot of people. Really telling.[/QUOTE] No no, it's Dilbert [B]man[/B]. And laugh at Dilbert man all you want but he gets the vast majority of his political predictions right.
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[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;53049070] And laugh at Dilbert man all you want [B]but he gets the vast majority of his political predictions right.[/B][/QUOTE] First, it was Former Reality TV Stars from the C-Listers, and now it's also two-bit newspaper comic artists. Wow, there sure are a lot of entertainment personalities coming out with a lot of worthy political insight! Interesting, though, that some would typically say to "keep Hollywood/Entertainment personalities out of politics"! (Or, is that just a reserved talking point for when [I]left-wing[/I] entertainment personalities/artists/etc speak out about politics?)
I find it interesting you're attacking his credentials rather than the part you bolded in my post.
[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;53041684]Perfectly in line with the "Trump is effective but we don't like it" prediction by Dilbert man[/QUOTE] [I]Effective[/I], yes. [I]Beneficial[/I], no. There's a very good reason to not like that.
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