• Man rams car into bus stop, then proceeds to attack with cleaver, before being shot by armed securit
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The more the Arabs do this the worse they'll end off. Israel pays its debts, and it will pay then tenfold if this goes on..
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;48899132]The more the Arabs do this the worse they'll end off. Israel pays its debts, and it will pay then tenfold if this goes on..[/QUOTE] worse for israel too, or you think that the constant promotion of hatred and xenophobia in israel isn't going to backfire eventually? anyone with half a brain knows there are growing extreme nationalistic movements on israel(some who border on fascism, which is the ultimate irony). [url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.610368[/url] i still think israel will sooner or later elect an ACTUAL far-right leader/party that is crazy enough to start pulling shit the world won't be able to pretend its not happening.
[QUOTE=heyitsdan;48896790]Then I am braindead. Both sides are as bad as each other, both have aggressors who commit atrocities regularly.[/QUOTE] There is a difference. In the end of the day, the main difference isn't in the extremists, it's in the moderates. When the Duma arson attack happened, Jewish moderates from all over Israel poured to the streets in protest, and demanded an end to hate crimes and the support of peace. I was one of them. Jews from all over the country came to pray for the remaining family's health, including settlers. The attack was condemned by the entire political spectrum. And now we have the same thing, but in reverse. Two jews were stabbed and killed on the streets of Jerusalem. The guy who did this grabbed a gun from one of the wounded, and shot at a baby and his mother. The mother later recalled that when she ran through the streets, injured, begging for help, the Arab shopkeepers laughed at her. One of them even spat at her and told her to die. Where were the Arab "moderates" after this incident? Nonexistent. Nothing. Silence. Every single Arab member of parliament not only didn't discuss it, but when asked about it live on air, some even blatantly refused to condemn it. Members of parliament, for crying out loud. No rallies were held, no prayers taken. Nothing. So yeah, I would say that one side needs to get its shit together more than the other.
This shows how desperate Palestinians are and how much they have been through. Although the attacks are violent, I can see why they are happening. Isreal has treated them like shit ever since they came and took THEIR land. They are still taking it and it seems like the Palestinians have no choice but to fight with whatever they got.
[QUOTE=vrej;48900141]This shows how desperate Palestinians are and how much they have been through. Although the attacks are violent, I can see why they are happening. Isreal has treated them like shit ever since they came and took THEIR land. They are still taking it and it seems like the Palestinians have no choice but to fight with whatever they got.[/QUOTE] So somehow these thugs are representative of all Palestinians (as if all Palestians are violent extremists, which most are not), and as their supposed representatives, they are going to advocate for Palestine by resorting to terrorism against innocent Israeli citizens, not even against the Israeli government itself, and somehow you can justify that because of 'how desperate they are', 'how much they have been through', 'I can see why they are happening', 'they took THEIR land' and 'fight for what they got' (by fucking hacking innocent Israeli citizens with meat cleavers???) [editline]15th October 2015[/editline] There is no way whatsoever of justifying these events.
[QUOTE=0x0000000C;48896691]Israel is the lesser of two evils here. You'd have to be braindead to deny it.[/QUOTE] Support Stalin, at least he ain't Hitler
Took THEIR land? The guy was a fucking Israeli-Arab.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48900166]So somehow these thugs are representative of all Palestinians, and as their supposed representatives, they are going to advocate for Palestine by resorting to terrorism against innocent Israeli citizens, not even against the Israeli government itself, and somehow you can justify that because of 'how desperate they are', 'how much they have been through', 'I can see why they are happening', 'they took THEIR land' and 'fight for what they got' (by fucking hacking innocent Israeli citizens with meat cleavers???) [editline]15th October 2015[/editline] There is no way whatsoever of justifying these events.[/QUOTE] I don't support it, and even if I did, I would only attack the military. But it seems like you are forgetting what happened in Gaza years ago. So it's okay for isreal to kill THOUSANDS of inccoent civilians, but when palestenian does it, it's all big deal. Like I said I don't support the attacks, I am just saying There is no way whatsoever of justifying what isreal did in Gaza also. But it's okay, who cares they are just palestenians who gives a shit right?
[QUOTE=Kommodore;48898160]is this part of a grand strategy game playing out in your head or what because no one gives a shit who you "back" [editline]13th October 2015[/editline] every comment in this thread is making out like these two countries are characters in a television drama[/QUOTE] Having opinions and moral stances regarding things and actions is kind of really important for democratic process and living in a society in general. Funny you should mention television dramas, because they're designed to play with people's natural need to take sides. Point being television dramas didn't invent taking sides, and you're making yourself look like a fool.
It's impressive the amount of chances the security gave.
[QUOTE=vrej;48900192]I don't support it, and even if I did, I would only attack the military. But it seems like you are forgetting what happened in Gaza years ago. [b]So it's okay for isreal to kill THOUSANDS of inccoent civilians[/b], but when palestenian does it, it's all big deal. Like I said I don't support the attacks, I am just saying There is no way whatsoever of justifying what isreal did in Gaza also. But it's okay, who cares they are just palestenians who gives a shit right?[/QUOTE] Who said that? [url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=526088]isreal?[/url] why are you killing thousands of 'inccoent' civilians?
[QUOTE=RockmanYoshi;48897012]This isn't a "who is better" contest.[/QUOTE] True, it's a who is worse.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48900373]Who said that? [url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=526088]isreal?[/url] why are you killing thousands of 'inccoent' civilians?[/QUOTE] I am talking about the country, the Jewish people.
[QUOTE=vrej;48900192]I don't support it, and even if I did, I would only attack the military. But it seems like you are forgetting what happened in Gaza years ago. So it's okay for isreal to kill THOUSANDS of inccoent civilians, but when palestenian does it, it's all big deal. Like I said I don't support the attacks, I am just saying There is no way whatsoever of justifying what isreal did in Gaza also. But it's okay, who cares they are just palestenians who gives a shit right?[/QUOTE] Israel tries to minimize civilian deaths though while the Palestinians try to maximize the civilian deaths.
The head of the Palestinian Authority [URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4711538,00.html"]gave a speech[/URL] accusing Israel of executing a 13 year old boy, when if fact the boy is question was shot during a stabbing spree as he was stabbing and critically injuring a Jewish kid (also 13), and is not even dead. [QUOTE]Abbas also emphasized that the Palestinians would not surrender to the "Israeli aggression" against the Palestinian people, their holy places, homes, and the "executions of children like Ahmed Manasra," referring to the 13-year-old who conducted a stabbing attack in Pisgat Ze'ev. Abbas, who waved a picture of the young terrorist lying on the road, failed to mention that Manasra is, in fact, currently alive and receiving treatment in an Israeli hospital.[/QUOTE] Meanwhile [URL="http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/10/14/433316/Palestine-Israel-East-alQuds-Ahmad-Saleh-Manasra-Pisgat-Zeev"]Arab media[/URL] is running with the story of Israel executing an innocent boy to fuel up more rage and more killings. More details from the[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/world/middleeast/israel-accuses-abbas-of-lying-about-wounded-boy-in-video.html"] NYT[/URL]: [QUOTE]But in a statement distributed by Israeli government officials on Tuesday, Hadassah University Hospital said that “in stark contrast to circulating rumors,” Ahmad was in stable condition and fully conscious. The hospital also released [URL="http://••••••••1LbWwSr"]a photograph of the boy in bed[/URL] on Thursday, which was displayed prominently in the Israeli news media. Nonetheless, Mr. Abbas [URL="https://youtu.be/P8wVoyGdUC8?t=1m54s"]held up a still image from the video of Ahmad[/URL] in a televised address broadcast Wednesday night, and he asserted that the boy had been killed. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;48906480]The head of the Palestinian Authority [URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4711538,00.html"]gave a speech[/URL] accusing Israel of executing a 13 year old boy, when if fact the boy is question was shot during a stabbing spree as he was stabbing and critically injuring a Jewish kid (also 13), and is not even dead. Meanwhile [URL="http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/10/14/433316/Palestine-Israel-East-alQuds-Ahmad-Saleh-Manasra-Pisgat-Zeev"]Arab media[/URL] is running with the story of Israel executing an innocent boy to fuel up more rage and more killings.[/QUOTE] He wasn't even shot. Not even that.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;48906480]The head of the Palestinian Authority [URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4711538,00.html"]gave a speech[/URL] accusing Israel of executing a 13 year old boy, when if fact the boy is question was shot during a stabbing spree as he was stabbing and critically injuring a Jewish kid (also 13), and is not even dead. Meanwhile [URL="http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/10/14/433316/Palestine-Israel-East-alQuds-Ahmad-Saleh-Manasra-Pisgat-Zeev"]Arab media[/URL] is running with the story of Israel executing an innocent boy to fuel up more rage and more killings.[/QUOTE] The sad thing is that they still deny it and then the next day you see shit like this: [img]http://pokit.org/get/img/de14d882852776fdef2308ef28b599c5.jpg[/img] These people eat Abbas' bullshit like HOTCAKES I'm not even sure Abbas is doing anything useful to Palestinians at this stage. He only goes on fancy trips to the UN, Talks about Israeli aggression and encourages Palestinians to "keep fighting" Hell, he even plans to construct a 13m$ palace in Ramahlla [url]http://europe.newsweek.com/palestinian-president-constructing-13m-palace-332061[/url]
Since Abbas said that the PA will not follow the Olso accords anymore, does this mean that the PA is going to unrecognize Israel?
What happened to starpluck or whatever mod was it that always defended palestine and called israel nazi
[QUOTE=WhyNott;48907617]What happened to starpluck or whatever mod was it that always defended palestine and called israel nazi[/QUOTE] Got removed for antisemitism.
[QUOTE=WhyNott;48907617]What happened to starpluck or whatever mod was it that always defended palestine and called israel nazi[/QUOTE] The irony of calling Israel "Nazi" is strong here.
Yeah, this time its pretty cut and dry that the Palestinians/PA are in the wrong here. If there is another intifada, I'm gonna throw my support behind Israel. The PA has been blatantly lying and the Palestinians are eating it right up. They're basically trying to engage in a religious conflict for crying out loud. Israel has been in the wrong in the past (the last intifada was questionable to say the least). But there's not much they can do in this situation.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;48908927]Yeah, this time its pretty cut and dry that the Palestinians/PA are in the wrong here. If there is another intifada, I'm gonna throw my support behind Israel. The PA has been blatantly lying and the Palestinians are eating it right up. They're basically trying to engage in a religious conflict for crying out loud. Israel has been in the wrong in the past (the last intifada was questionable to say the least). But there's not much they can do in this situation.[/QUOTE] For the record, the last (second) Intifada started after Arafat walked out on [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#The_negotiations"]the best offer the Palestinians ever received from Israel[/URL] instead of, say, negotiate more. The pretext when the intifada broke out a little while later was, as now, that [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada#Sharon_visits_Temple_Mount"]Jews dared to enter the Temple Mount[/URL].
[QUOTE=katbug;48898647]What you just said literally has nothing to do with this. I don't give a fuck about the character of the man who was killed. I don't know why you do. It's not relevant and doesn't address what I said at all. [t]http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4756436/IP_conflict_deaths_total.png[/t] Killing people is bad.[/QUOTE] Maybe because Israeli people actually care about their soldiers and put survival of man as highest priority and muslims don't mind dying as long as its for Allah?
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