• Donald Trump travel , family depletes Secret Service funds for agents
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[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52596976]It seems odd then that for a guy who claimed he was going to cut wasteful spending, that he's already blown the entire year's budget for his own security because he's taken so damn many vacations. Remember, this guy is supposed to be the "businessman" who's "good with money".[/QUOTE] Oh he is. His own businesses are raking in the cash from his own stays as a president. It's unethical, highly deceitful and his own supporters don't seem too bothered by Trump doing it but they'd have words about Obama having done it.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52596790]While the expenses incurred by the SS may be somewhat under his control, Trump doesn't have any say in the budget cap that may or may not cause some of the SS to miss out on due pay. That, as with most fiscal responsibilities, is set by Congress.[/QUOTE] And here comes Chonch again, trying to desperately convince us that this isn't actually Trump's fault.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52596790]While the expenses incurred by the SS may be somewhat under his control, Trump doesn't have any say in the budget cap that may or may not cause some of the SS to miss out on due pay. That, as with most fiscal responsibilities, is set by Congress.[/QUOTE] What he does have a say in is forcing them to pay ridiculous travel expenses and work crazy overtime because his lazy ass is too low energy to not go on vacation every weekend.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52597019]And here comes Chonch again, trying to desperately convince us that this isn't actually Trump's fault.[/QUOTE] Both the executive and legislative branches can take action to ensure these people get paid for the service they provide. It isn't a blame game. Don't make this thread about me.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52596976]It seems odd then that for a guy who claimed he was going to cut wasteful spending, that he's already blown the entire year's budget for his own security because he's taken so damn many vacations. Remember, this guy is supposed to be the "businessman" who's "good with money".[/QUOTE] Don't forget about him being a part of the party of "fiscal conservatism" :v: What a crock.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52597046]Both the executive and legislative branches can take action to ensure these people get paid for the service they provide. It isn't a blame game. Don't make this thread about me.[/QUOTE] Here's the thing; you kinda make any Trump thread you post in about you, either because of your continuous defending of the manchild that is your president or genuine surprise at him doing something bad that anyone with a functioning brain would've seen coming. The fact that your reaction to this isn't 'wow, the president is being really careless with his trips' instead of this malarkey about how this can be fixed isn't even a surprise at this point. As for your 'this isn't a blame game' remark, screw that noise. If Trump didn't go golfing every fucking weekend, this wouldn't have happened.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52597046]Both the executive and legislative branches can take action to ensure these people get paid for the service they provide. It isn't a blame game. Don't make this thread about me.[/QUOTE] Would you not be complaining about how Obama is a limp wristed lazy president if he was on this many vacations?
[QUOTE=Chonch;52597046]Both the executive and legislative branches can take action to ensure these people get paid for the service they provide. It isn't a blame game. Don't make this thread about me.[/QUOTE] Would these people need to be paid so much if the president actually stayed in the white house for more than 5 days at a time
[QUOTE=Chonch;52597046]Both the executive and legislative branches can take action to ensure these people get paid for the service they provide. It isn't a blame game. Don't make this thread about me.[/QUOTE] And Trump could simply tell said resorts/golf-courses not to charge them for room/board/equipment, since nearly all of the ones he visits are properties he owns. He has created this problem himself by overstepping what boundaries existed. Rather than bankrupt the SS he could've gone 'oh, right, these guys don't have unlimited budget - I'll just make sure their hotel rooms and such and these golf carts and so on are all comp'd'. But of course he won't, because [I]he makes money off them[/I] when he charges them.
And this is a surprise to literally no-one who has paid attention. During the election, Trump's Secret Service detail cost ~10x what Hillary's did, all while Hillary was doing more events and more travel. Or even earlier, look at how many businesses Trump ran into the ground with wasteful spending. Trump Airlines' gold(-colored) toilet seats, anyone?
so, in the span of 8 months, he's burnt up the entire SS protection budget and because he and his kids can't stop taking trips to fuck-knows-where every moment of the day, the security of the fucking UN general assembly is now in question? what a fucking bad joke of a president
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52596747]Not to burst the whole trump hate boner thing going on in here, but he has no say in their salary caps. That's set federally by congress apparently.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Chonch;52596790]While the expenses incurred by the SS may be somewhat under his control, Trump doesn't have any say in the budget cap that may or may not cause some of the SS to miss out on due pay. That, as with most fiscal responsibilities, is set by Congress.[/QUOTE] You both misunderstand. Here, have a clue: [media]https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/270609412480192513[/media]
[QUOTE=Vlevs;52597346]You both misunderstand. Here, have a clue: [media]https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/270609412480192513[/media][/QUOTE] And another one. [media]https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/899662585343098881[/media]
Jesus, I swear Trump just became a living meme, I wonder why nobody's got banned on FP for posting about him since memes are against the rule here :vs:. I just can't copy with all those Trump's hypocrisies, I mean does he even realize that all the shit he's doing has been condamned by himself not too long ago?
[QUOTE=Chonch;52597046]Both the executive and legislative branches can take action to ensure these people get paid for the service they provide. It isn't a blame game. Don't make this thread about me.[/QUOTE] I think you're entirely missing the reason this is a problem The issue isn't that they have caps on their salary, the issue is that Tinyhands spends so much time being anywhere but the White House doing his job. The entire reason they're hitting these caps is having to devote so much extra time and effort to keeping Tinyhands' shitty properties secure But Trump doesn't like the White House. Trump doesn't like to work. Trump likes his golf courses and his resorts, and he especially likes charging the Secret Service for staying at them. This is 100% his damn fault
[QUOTE=archangel125;52596572]Let's hope every single one quits.[/QUOTE] That would be incredibly short-sighted. While it sucks, you wouldn't walk away from that job just because you dont get the benefit of OT-pay after making 187k in 8 months.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;52597611]That would be incredibly short-sighted. While it sucks, you wouldn't walk away from that job just because you dont get the benefit of OT-pay after making 187k in 8 months.[/QUOTE] Hey, 'Secret Service agent' looks great on a resume. You could get hired literally anywhere. Besides. When a job stops paying me, I stop working. Especially if said job entailed guarding one of the most internationally reviled men on the planet with my own life.
[QUOTE=archangel125;52596572]Let's hope every single one quits.[/QUOTE] Honestly I'd stick around for 160k per year, even if I wasn't being paid overtime. Not quite ideal but its 5x my current pay just to make sure America's biggest fool doesn't hurt himself.
[QUOTE=archangel125;52597639]Hey, 'Secret Service agent' looks great on a resume. You could get hired literally anywhere. Besides. When a job stops paying me, I stop working. Especially if said job entailed guarding one of the most internationally reviled men on the planet with my own life.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, if money was the sole motivating factor they would have left already. You have a legal obligation to show up to work with/without pay in these positions.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52596747]Not to burst the whole trump hate boner thing going on in here, but he has no say in their salary caps. That's set federally by congress apparently.[/QUOTE] Let me get this straight. Trump has been siphoning money out of the secret service by forcing them to stay in his overpriced hotels, yet you are immediately trying to shift blame away from him just because he can't raise their pay caps? He literally manufactured a problem that the rest of the country now has to deal with, all for his own personal gain, and you would STILL defend him? Trump must be one hell of a drug.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52596681]Probably because he's not a ruler and we're all still subject to the rule of law.[/QUOTE] The presidency has too much power tbh. He kind of governs like a ruler over the agencies he oversees
[QUOTE=Chonch;52597046]Both the executive and legislative branches can take action to ensure these people get paid for the service they provide. It isn't a blame game. Don't make this thread about me.[/QUOTE] But is. It's 100% trump's fault that a budget that [i]should[/i] stretch 12 months only made it 3/4ths of the way there before it got depleted. * Trump takes way too fucking many vacations * Trump makes the security detail pay out-of-pocket for room-and-board * [b]Trump goes to his own properties every chance he can get, thus meaning he's getting a portion of their salary directly into his coffers every single time he fucks off from the white house.[/b] In effect he's basically stealing a sizeable chunk of their salaries. * Security at these places is a nightmare, they're not designed for it and keeping him safe at them is a headache the likes of which medical science has never before seen. Trump has many options that could solve this problem, yet he refuses to even acknowledge. * He could comp their room-and-board, since they're at his properties. * He could choose easier-to-secure locations to go to. * He could pay their room and board out of his own salary. * He could, oh idunno, [b]stop fucking off from his job so god damned much[/b] Shit, if I took as many vacations as he does I'd be fired within a month. Who sets the caps on their O/T and salary is 100% irrelevant. The problem is that Dumbass in Chief has managed to deplete a budget 25% faster than it was intended to be depleted due to him being a lazy sack of shit that can't handle the job he chose to run for.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52596747]Not to burst the whole trump hate boner thing going on in here, but he has no say in their salary caps. That's set federally by congress apparently.[/QUOTE] this news story has nothing to do with some salary cap, which literally no one cares about, but more about how trump has wasted so much of his time traveling and doing stupid shit because he's such a clown [editline]21st August 2017[/editline] Like how could you possibly look at this story and miss the overall message? Are you incapable of rationalizing what this means about trumps conduct?
[QUOTE=Chonch;52597046]Both the executive and legislative branches can take action to ensure these people get paid for the service they provide. It isn't a blame game. Don't make this thread about me.[/QUOTE] "Quit proving to me Trump's a fuck up guys..."
[QUOTE] The compensation crunch is so serious that the director has begun discussions with key lawmakers to raise the combined salary and overtime cap for agents, from $160,000 per year to $187,000 for at least the duration of Trump's first term.[/QUOTE] If this passes then that will just encourages Trump to take more vacations. He is essentially laundering taxpayer funds through his properties.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52596747]Not to burst the whole trump hate boner thing going on in here, but he has no say in their salary caps. That's set federally by congress apparently.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Chonch;52597046]Both the executive and legislative branches can take action to ensure these people get paid for the service they provide. It isn't a blame game. Don't make this thread about me.[/QUOTE] Yeah, let's just gloss over the fact that regardless of Trump not being responsible for setting their budget he [I]is[/I] responsible for taking so many vacations despite his claims he'd take none. Yup, that's [I]totally[/I] not Trump's fault in any way. For such a "talented" businessman he sure fails vital steps of running a successful business such as, oh I dunno, NOT going massively over budget because you didn't plan things out well enough. People make this shit about you, Chonch, because you're a complete and utter joke. Your foolishness is so transparent that even a blind man could see it.
Hey guys, Trumps the good guy here! Hes getting his secret service agents a free raise and more paid overtime! Has tour boss ever done that for you?
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52598935]Hey guys, Trumps the good guy here! Hes getting his secret service agents a free raise and more paid overtime! Has tour boss ever done that for you?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The compensation crunch is so serious that the director has begun discussions with key lawmakers to raise the combined salary and overtime cap for agents, from $160,000 per year to $187,000 for at least the duration of Trump's first term. But even if such a proposal was approved, about 130 veteran agents would not be fully compensated for hundreds of hours already amassed, according to the agency. "I don't see this changing in the near term,'' Alles said. [/QUOTE]
Nothing makes me want to take a bullet for my boss quite like unpaid overtime
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52596644]Ironically that would fix the cap problem immediately, because fresh hires would be eligible for the rest of the year to make it to the cap.[/QUOTE] thats assuming that they hire replacements for every one that quits
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