• Donald Trump travel , family depletes Secret Service funds for agents
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[QUOTE=elowin;52598980]thats assuming that they hire replacements for every one that quits[/QUOTE] well let's hope they don't succeed :v:
[QUOTE=Chonch;52597046]Both the executive and legislative branches can take action to ensure these people get paid for the service they provide. It isn't a blame game. Don't make this thread about me.[/QUOTE] So let me get this straight, federal overspending is a problem that needs to be addressed - just until Trump himself becomes the cause, then it's suddenly "oh, there are many ways to legally increase spending, no problem whatsoever". You're a riot. [editline]22nd August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Code3Response;52597765]Unfortunately, if money was the sole motivating factor they would have left already. You have a legal obligation to show up to work with/without pay in these positions.[/QUOTE] So he can legally make secret service for himself for free. Like... Slave labor? Why pay anything if he doesn't really need to?
[QUOTE=Vlevs;52599247] [B]So he can legally make secret service for himself for free. Like... Slave labor? Why pay anything if he doesn't really need to?[/B][/QUOTE] This confuses me as well, surely if this overtime cap exists, someone in payroll must have realised the real possibility of reaching it some time ago, and in that case, wouldn't it make more sense for a 'bare necessities' funding alert mode? Like the overtime average is way too high so BEFORE they reach the cap and force people to work for free (which legit seems illegal), they warn the president that trips will need to be reduced on public record, and then that coverage for family members which someone mentioned earlier was optional, just stops being available. I get that leaving vacations up to POTUS discretion has more or less worked in the past but perhaps looking into some rules wouldn't be too bad of an idea.
[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;52599386]This confuses me as well, surely if this overtime cap exists, someone in payroll must have realised the real possibility of reaching it some time ago, and in that case, wouldn't it make more sense for a 'bare necessities' funding alert mode? Like the overtime average is way too high so BEFORE they reach the cap and force people to work for free (which legit seems illegal), they warn the president that trips will need to be reduced on public record, and then that coverage for family members which someone mentioned earlier was optional, just stops being available. I get that leaving vacations up to POTUS discretion has more or less worked in the past but perhaps looking into some rules wouldn't be too bad of an idea.[/QUOTE] Sarcasm aside, secret service abandoning the president is not a remotely realistic option, neither is confining Trump into WH. They'll find a bureaucratic excuse to keep the wages going but that does not excuse the whole affair being, very stupid.
[QUOTE=Vlevs;52599247]So he can legally make secret service for himself for free. Like... Slave labor? Why pay anything if he doesn't really need to?[/QUOTE] Well they're still being paid, just not OT. Which blows. But yes. Yes he could. As with many positions around this role are
Trump's gonna have his wranglers pay out of pocket to stay in his resorts. When they're too poor to stay, he'll just fire them and replace them with his own favorite brand of private security.
Jeez you guys are all dicks. He just said Trump has no say in their salary. Sure, he's the reason why they already reached the limit, but he's not the reason why there's a limit. But no, we can't be nice in this thread, lets just make annoying posts and call him a Trump fanboy etc.
[QUOTE=joost1120;52599953]Jeez you guys are all dicks. He just said Trump has no say in their salary. Sure, he's the reason why they already reached the limit, but he's not the reason why there's a limit. But no, we can't be nice in this thread, lets just make annoying posts and call him a Trump fanboy etc.[/QUOTE] Pretty easy to say something stupid like this when you ignore his long and very intellectually dishonest history of jumping to Trump's defense and justifying anything Trump did wrong.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;52599992]Pretty easy to say something stupid like this when you ignore his long and very intellectually dishonest history of jumping to Trump's defense and justifying anything Trump did wrong.[/QUOTE] Nonetheless his single comment in this thread doesn't warrant you all jumping on it like that. Whether he's an idiot or not doesn't mean you can act like idiots too.
[QUOTE=joost1120;52599953]Jeez you guys are all dicks. He just said Trump has no say in their salary. Sure, he's the reason why they already reached the limit, but he's not the reason why there's a limit. But no, we can't be nice in this thread, lets just make annoying posts and call him a Trump fanboy etc.[/QUOTE] Well, he is. Even putting that aside, whose fault do you think it is that they're running out of cash already? I'll give you a hint; it's the guy who insists on spending all his weekends playing golf. Going 'but it's not his fault and they can fix it' is entirely the wrong train of thought. [editline]22nd August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=joost1120;52600006]Nonetheless his single comment in this thread doesn't warrant you all jumping on it like that. Whether he's an idiot or not doesn't mean you can act like idiots too.[/QUOTE] Oh yes, we're being such idiots by pointing out how he's wrong.
[quote]He just said Trump has no say in their salary.[/quote] No, he just said 'The executive and legislative should just allow Trump to continue milking money from them - stop blaming Trump.' "It isn't a blame game" is just a way of saying 'Stop holding people to their actions, instead just allow them to be wrong and don't call them out on it' which, even if Chonch said nothing else, is worthy of being dogpiled on especially when it concerns one of the most powerful people in the world. [I]Especially[/I] since he's put it in the context of 'a game'. This isn't a game to anyone but Chonch; that's my money the President is spending, I damn well deserve the right to be mad about him effectively laundering it through his business into profit for himself by abusing his power.
[QUOTE=joost1120;52600006]Nonetheless his single comment in this thread doesn't warrant you all jumping on it like that. Whether he's an idiot or not doesn't mean you can act like idiots too.[/QUOTE] The reason people are jumping on him for it is because he keeps skirting around getting banned and people are getting tired of his bullshit. He adds literally nothing of value to the threads he posts in and frequently derails things with his intellectual dishonesty. If he doesn't want people to shit on him for being intellectually dishonest then he needs to quit being intellectually dishonest.
[QUOTE=joost1120;52600006]Nonetheless his single comment in this thread doesn't warrant you all jumping on it like that. Whether he's an idiot or not doesn't mean you can act like idiots too.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between everyone jumping on you just for having an opinion and everyone pushing back when you say something objectively wrong over and over again. Sh/pd can appear hostile often (and sometimes it really is to be fair), but often the reason for it is that someone comes into a thread and starts arguing a point that's already been debunked multiple times and then people get frustrated when said poster doesn't argue back or simply dodged to counter points
This thread is a painful read. The secret service is not out of money. A lot of them have worked enough overtime they hit the federal salary cap so they can't work more overtime for the rest of the year. They are still getting paid like normal and still coming in for normal shifts. The crisis comes from wanting more agents for this event and a lot of the manpower needed will have to come from agents working overtime since its hard to train a lot of new ones on short notice when you come to rely on the existing number just working longer and realizing they can't pull more overtime unless the cap is raised
[QUOTE=GOKUSSJVEGETA;52600161]This thread is a painful read. The secret service is not out of money. A lot of them have worked enough overtime they hit the federal salary cap so they can't work more overtime for the rest of the year. They are still getting paid like normal and still coming in for normal shifts. The crisis comes from wanting more agents for this event and a lot of the manpower needed will have to come from agents working overtime since its hard to train a lot of new ones on short notice when you come to rely on the existing number just working longer and realizing they can't pull more overtime unless the cap is raised[/QUOTE] Maybe people are just annoyed at the reason that led to this situation and are making fun of it?
[QUOTE=joost1120;52600006]Nonetheless his single comment in this thread doesn't warrant you all jumping on it like that. Whether he's an idiot or not doesn't mean you can act like idiots too.[/QUOTE] Apparently, showing someone how their words are wrong and that they are trying to defend the indefensible with false statements and deflections is somehow 'being an idiot', as is being a bit pissed that Orange in Chief has caused the problem in the first place while laundering my tax dollars, along with every other American's, into his own coffers, yet shrugging and going 'congress will fix it by raising the cap' is smart? Yup. Sure. Makes sense.
Honestly if I said something idiotic I would like people to call me out and correct me on it.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;52598257]The presidency has too much power tbh. He kind of governs like a ruler over the agencies he oversees[/QUOTE] Uh because those agencies are a part of the executive branch? None set laws, that's Congress. Those agencies are designed for the president to do his job - which is to enforce laws. So no shit he governs agencies like he's in charge of them.
[QUOTE=joost1120;52600006]Nonetheless his single comment in this thread doesn't warrant you all jumping on it like that. Whether he's an idiot or not doesn't mean you can act like idiots too.[/QUOTE] Could it be that you're calling for a safe space?
[QUOTE=joost1120;52600006]Nonetheless his single comment in this thread doesn't warrant you all jumping on it like that. Whether he's an idiot or not doesn't mean you can act like idiots too.[/QUOTE] I dont think calling out someone for being an idiot doesn't mean you're an idiot. Its called correcting. Which is what Critical thinking and smart people do.
[QUOTE=Uber22;52600754]I dont think calling out someone for being an idiot doesn't mean you're an idiot. Its called correcting. Which is what Critical thinking and smart people do.[/QUOTE] Calling someone out for being an idiot and making sarcastic/annoying remarks are two entirely.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52600390]Uh because those agencies are a part of the executive branch? None set laws, that's Congress. Those agencies are designed for the president to do his job - which is to enforce laws. So no shit he governs agencies like he's in charge of them.[/QUOTE] The FCC, travel bans, and executive branch policies on climate change and gay rights in the workplace are pretty good examples of why that is a shitty excuse.
[QUOTE=joost1120;52601400]Calling someone out for being an idiot and making sarcastic/annoying remarks are two entirely.[/QUOTE] Two great tastes that taste great together, you mean? Seriously, do you realize who you're sticking up for here? Mister 'I reject your sources in favor of my own delusions'?
[QUOTE=joost1120;52600006]Nonetheless his single comment in this thread doesn't warrant you all jumping on it like that. Whether he's an idiot or not doesn't mean you can act like idiots too.[/QUOTE] The cap hasn't been an issue until the point, but Trump isnt at fault here because the cap exists? Yea ok dood [editline]22nd August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=joost1120;52600006]Nonetheless his single comment in this thread doesn't warrant you all jumping on it like that. Whether he's an idiot or not doesn't mean you can act like idiots too.[/QUOTE] If you can't take criticism for a potentially foolish comment, then don't post. [editline]22nd August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Revenge282;52601420]The FCC, travel bans, and executive branch policies on climate change and gay rights in the workplace are pretty good examples of why that is a shitty excuse.[/QUOTE] Those points you brought up more have to do with Trump being an awful president and a shitty person, than any issues with the checks and balances. The only thing you can critique him for on that is his abuse of EO's.
[QUOTE=joost1120;52599953]Jeez you guys are all dicks. He just said Trump has no say in their salary. Sure, he's the reason why they already reached the limit, but he's not the reason why there's a limit. But no, we can't be nice in this thread, lets just make annoying posts and call him a Trump fanboy etc.[/QUOTE] We should be mean to people who are trying to ruin our country in pursuit of racism and greed, and to those who defend them.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52602054]Those points you brought up more have to do with Trump being an awful president and a shitty person, than any issues with the checks and balances. The only thing you can critique him for on that is his abuse of EO's.[/QUOTE] It highlights the power the President has, and how it can be abused. Good or bad character, it probably shouldn't be so "free".
[QUOTE=Revenge282;52604022]It highlights the power the President has, and how it can be abused. Good or bad character, it probably shouldn't be so "free".[/QUOTE] Any power can be abused by anyone in their position. That's no reason to eliminate the powers of a position - which in this case is literally the whole point of the presidency. [editline]23rd August 2017[/editline] There's really no check and balance against putting assholes into office outside of just banning elections altogether.
[QUOTE=Revenge282;52604022]It highlights the power the President has, and how it can be abused. Good or bad character, it probably shouldn't be so "free".[/QUOTE] It should and it shouldn't. It was created because we as the American people are not supposed to elect someone who would abuse it so prolifically. For that reason alone, Executive Orders shouldn't exist, but they also should stick around because it helps a president get around a lame congress and senate. Any power given to a man can be abused, which is why we're not supposed to elect fools into office. But we did. It's one of those things thats great to have as long as a great man/woman is in office, and a horrible thing to have for a person like Trump in office. But if you suddenly start taking away all the power of the POTUS, then you've just turned the highest seat in our government into a purely ceremonial position.
[QUOTE=Flicky;52596558]But hey guys he's donating his paycheck to government organizations he slashed funding for! Scumbag throttling the Secret Service for as much as he can milk.[/QUOTE] Seriously what's the point of boasting about "saving" us $400,000 when he's pissing away way more than that
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