• Court: Illegal immigrants can't have guns
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[quote]DENVER — [B]A federal appeals court says illegal immigrants don't have a right to own firearms under the U.S. Constitution.[/B] Emmanuel Huitron-Guizar of Wyoming pleaded guilty to being an illegal immigrant in possession of firearms after his arrest last year. He was ordered held by immigration authorities at the Natrona County Detention Center in Wyoming. An attorney for Huitron-Guizar appealed the case, saying illegal immigrants are not excluded from possessing firearms like felons and people who are mentally ill, and should have the same rights as U.S. citizens to buy a gun for hunting and protection. The 10th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in Denver ruled Monday that illegal immigrants have only limited protection under the Constitution. Huitron-Guizar's attorney didn't return a call seeking comment.[/quote] [url=http://www.policeone.com/border-patrol/articles/5504562-Court-Illegal-immigrants-cant-have-guns/]Source[/url] Amen.
I agree with this, no point in allowing someone who's in our country illegally to own a gun.
[QUOTE=Fausty;35878350]I agree with this, no point in allowing someone who's in our country illegally to own a gun.[/QUOTE] that makes no sense there's just as much a point for an illegal to own a gun as there is for a legal to own a gun [editline]1[/editline] idk maybe if I hated brown people I would be able to understand your viewpoint better
Very straightforward court ruling, I don't know anyone who would be against this anyways, besides illegal immigrants.
[QUOTE=Sanius;35878405]that makes no sense there's just as much a point for an illegal to own a gun as there is for a legal to own a gun [editline]1[/editline] idk maybe if I hated brown people I would be able to understand your viewpoint better[/QUOTE] Yep someone may have been denied access to the country for having a criminal past, it's totally ok to give him a gun
Good ruling, but for the most part... useless. They'll find another way to get one.
[QUOTE=Sanius;35878405]that makes no sense there's just as much a point for an illegal to own a gun as there is for a legal to own a gun [editline]1[/editline] idk maybe if I hated brown people I would be able to understand your viewpoint better[/QUOTE] You're so right. It's incredibly racist to believe that people who are technically committing a crime by being here shouldn't have guns. No just kidding. idk maybe if I was a huge idiot I would be able to understand your viewpoint better
[QUOTE=Sanius;35878405]that makes no sense there's just as much a point for an illegal to own a gun as there is for a legal to own a gun [editline]1[/editline] idk maybe if I hated brown people I would be able to understand your viewpoint better[/QUOTE] Illegal immigrants are just that, ILLEGAL. They are 'gonna get arrested if they are found out firearm or not, and technically they aren't US citizens so the constitution shouldnt really apply.
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[QUOTE=Sanius;35878405]that makes no sense there's just as much a point for an illegal to own a gun as there is for a legal to own a gun [editline]1[/editline] idk maybe if I hated brown people I would be able to understand your viewpoint better[/QUOTE] i hope you just confused illegal immigrants with immigrants in general
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;35878453]You're so right. It's incredibly racist to believe that people who are technically committing a crime by being here shouldn't have guns.[/QUOTE] who are they harming by being here illegally. why do they deserve to be demonized. why does the government have the right to tell people where they can and can not be
But if they're here illegally, who says they care about our laws?
[QUOTE=RagamuffinIIII;35878463]Illegal immigrants are just that, ILLEGAL. They are 'gonna get arrested if they are found out firearm or not, and technically they aren't US citizens [b]so the constitution shouldnt really apply.[/b][/QUOTE] Not entirely correct. Currently, parts of the Constitution apply to illegals, while other parts do not. The 2nd Amendment, in this case, does not. [editline]13:37[/editline] I guess I should rephrase: Illegals get partial protection from the government under the Constitution, but not complete like the type US citizens enjoy.
[QUOTE=Sanius;35878480]who are they harming by being here illegally. why do they deserve to be demonized. why does the government have the right to tell people where they can and can not be[/QUOTE] Because thats how this world is ran. It doesnt make sense for someone who is illegal, to legally buy a gun.
[QUOTE=Sanius;35878405]that makes no sense there's just as much a point for an illegal to own a gun as there is for a legal to own a gun [editline]1[/editline] idk maybe if I hated brown people I would be able to understand your viewpoint better[/QUOTE] Not all illegal immigrants are black, you dense moron.
[QUOTE=Sanius;35878405]that makes no sense there's just as much a point for an illegal to own a gun as there is for a legal to own a gun [editline]1[/editline] idk maybe if I hated brown people I would be able to understand your viewpoint better[/QUOTE] Sanius jumping right for the race card and shouting about hating brown people Didnt see that shit coming a mile away or anything
[QUOTE=Sanius;35878480]who are they harming by being here illegally. why do they deserve to be demonized. why does the government have the right to tell people where they can and can not be[/QUOTE] See there's your problem. You're criticizing this which actually makes sense because you're so against a totally different issue. If they're illegal we don't know about their criminal record or anything like that.
Aliens can't have no firearms.
[QUOTE=~ZOMG;35878504]Not all illegal immigrants are black, you dense moron.[/QUOTE] I said brown not black the only reason laws like this are passed is because vocal minorities and conservatives hate mexicans
[QUOTE=Sanius;35878480]who are they harming by being here illegally. why do they deserve to be demonized. why does the government have the right to tell people where they can and can not be[/QUOTE] That's the entire point of "citizenship".
[QUOTE=Sanius;35878405]that makes no sense there's just as much a point for an illegal to own a gun as there is for a legal to own a gun [editline]1[/editline] idk maybe if I hated brown people I would be able to understand your viewpoint better[/QUOTE] As a US citizen, you are entitled to the right to bear arms. An illegal immigrant is not a US citizen, therefore they do not have this right. (They still technically can, it's just that they won't have the same legal protection against that)
[QUOTE=Sanius;35878531]I said brown not black the only reason laws like this are passed is because vocal minorities and conservatives hate mexicans[/QUOTE] Or it's because we can't track their criminal record which is something we use to determine if our own citizens can have guns. Which makes a hell of a lot more sense.
[QUOTE=Sanius;35878480]who are they harming by being here illegally.[/QUOTE] Harming legal citizens by committing crime, not paying taxes, contributing to large slum areas, having children and keeping them out of education to live a life of crime, working illegally [QUOTE=Sanius;35878480]why do they deserve to be demonized.[/QUOTE] They deserve to be sent back to their own country. [QUOTE=Sanius;35878480]why does the government have the right to tell people where they can and can not be[/QUOTE] Because it's not their country to have rights in. Also: could you try punctuating your questions properly.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;35878442]Good ruling, but for the most part... useless. They'll find another way to get one.[/QUOTE] Gun control always backfires horribly, it makes it more difficult for legit people to get a gun for self-defense, but criminals can get a gun illegally much easier.
[QUOTE=Sanius;35878480]who are they harming by being here illegally. why do they deserve to be demonized. why does the government have the right to tell people where they can and can not be[/QUOTE] Wait who is demonizing them? They can't own guns because they don't have access to their criminal records to do background checks before determining whether they can have guns. And this is US land, so yes, the US government does have a right to tell non-citizens whether they can or cannot be here according to US law.
The debate here is not whether it should or should not be unlawful for illegal aliens to own firearms. Most of us agree there. The issue is that when a person is inside the United States; on whatever terms, does the Constitution apply to them? Does it protect them? Should we disregard all freedoms promised in the Constitutions if you are not a citizen? What about people here on visas? Or war-criminals? There starts to be a blur and we have to decide if it applies to all or none but citizens.
[QUOTE=DeadCow;35878557]Gun control always backfires horribly, it makes it more difficult for legit people to get a gun for self-defense, but criminals can get a gun illegally much easier.[/QUOTE] This doesn't make it harder for citizens to get a gun at all so I don't really see the problem. I do agree with your little statement for the most part, though.
[QUOTE=Sanius;35878480]who are they harming by being here illegally. why do they deserve to be demonized. why does the government have the right to tell people where they can and can not be[/QUOTE] They're, pardon the stereotype, taking our jobs. They're using benefits and not paying taxes, so money doesn't circulate. If they were citizens, it'd be fine. I'm all for an easier way for citizenship, but that doesn't mean they should do it illegally.
[QUOTE=richard9311;35878583]The debate here is not that It should be unlawful for illegal aliens to own firearms. Most of us agree there. The issue is that when a person is inside the United States; on whatever terms, does the Constitution apply to them? Does it protect them? Should we disregard all freedoms promised in the Constitutions if you are not a citizen? What about people here on visas? Or war-criminals? There starts to be a blur and we have to decide if it applies to all or none but citizens.[/QUOTE] I'm fairly certain that under the constitution, non-citizen rights are not protected, whereas citizen rights are (theoretically) protected.
[QUOTE=richard9311;35878583]The debate here is not that It should be unlawful for illegal aliens to own firearms. Most of us agree there. The issue is that when a person is inside the United States; on whatever terms, does the Constitution apply to them? Does it protect them? Should we disregard all freedoms promised in the Constitutions if you are not a citizen? What about people here on visas? Or war-criminals? There starts to be a blur and we have to decide if it applies to all or none but citizens.[/QUOTE] Basically, everyone needs to read up here: [url]http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a/illegalrights.htm[/url]
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