• The storage density of SSD's now exceed that of harddrives
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[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;46580621]Depends on the class really, high class SD cards are usually very fast if the reader has a high bandwidth as well[/QUOTE] Relative to other SD cards, but the fastest SD card can still be really slow compared to a decent HDD even, which are shit compared to SSDs. Even if you get the highest speed class SD card it's only guaranteed to be above 30MB/s
[QUOTE=Chamango;46579718]But how long do they last for repeated read/writes?[/QUOTE] Modern SSDs actually beat hard drives when it comes to reliability. They'll pretty much outlast the usefulness of your computer.
Until the price the difference between ssd's and hdd's change people will stick with hard drives for a while longer. I know I am I have a 128gb ssd as my main hard drive and everything else goes on my 1tb hard drive. $500 for a 1tb ssd is still too much money to spend.
SSD's for a long time now were pointlessly empty simply to fit 2.5" formfactors. Open an normal SSD and it's like 60% empty.
[URL="http://www.computerworld.com/article/2604311/wd-leapfrogs-seagate-with-world-s-highest-capacity-10tb-helium-drive-new-flash-drives.html"]Wasn't there a 10TB HDD released a few months ago?[/URL] [URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236551"]Also there have been 2TB 2.5" drives for a while now.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;46580621]Depends on the class really, high class SD cards are usually very fast if the reader has a high bandwidth as well[/QUOTE] I own two 32GB Sandisk Extreme Pro Cards (Super awesomely reliable ones) and they can do 85-95MB/s read and write on my UHS1 USB3 reader. It's awesome.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;46580740]The problem with the memory industry is that there is lots of price fixing going on, and it's been going on as far back as memory has been made on a commercial scale. Memory is like oil, it's a commodity unlinked from the cost of production and is always artificially kept at some price by memory conglomerates. I don't think you'll see an SSD of equal space to a mechanical drive at similar price for at least another several years. And who knows, maybe mechanical drives will come up with some way to suddenly double their density with some new technology and beat the SSD again. I also don't think SSDs will ever completely replace mechanical drives since SSDs have several limitations that mechanical drives don't.[/QUOTE] Then I guess they won't be seeing my money anytime soon. I'd love to have an SSD but I simply cannot afford to spend $300 or $400 on a hard drive that I'll fill up pretty much instantly. Hell, finding the dosh for another 1TB platter drive is difficult enough for me, finances have never been all that good for me.
[QUOTE=TestECull;46580577]Now get the price-per-gigabyte down to something reasonable, like oh say, a dime a gig. That's where platter drives tend to live, and until they get to that price point for something reasonably sized, reliable, and reasonably quick, they're not gonna be in my machine. When they do I'll be swapping right over, though. I simply cannot justify spending that much money on a hard drive, and I'd need at minimum a 500 gig SSD just to house my steam folder.[/QUOTE] Get a 250GB SSD and keep your hard drive? Put some of your games on the SSD, some on the hard drive. It's not like games are all that I/O intensive on the storage front anyway.
I just wish they'd make 3.5 inch ones
[QUOTE=hydrated;46581309]I just wish they'd make 3.5 inch ones[/QUOTE] Current SSDs don't even fill out the 2.5" enclosures most of the time. Get an adapter if it's a problem.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46581368]Current SSDs don't even fill out the 2.5" enclosures most of the time. Get an adapter if it's a problem.[/QUOTE] I would like to see what 3.5" worth of modern SSD storage could hold. Or that we'd finally get SATA4 with SSD's in mind, so we don't need to use a PCIe slot.
Intel fucked me over with the 330 series ssd, turns out they have a faulty controller or something that makes them choke when large amounts of data are being processed, and since my Windows is on the SSD when I move large files I can't do anything except move the mouse. Did Intel fix it? Fuck no, all they did was release an updated 335 series. Hell, even their SSD toolbox utility doesn't recognize the fuckin thing. Their forums are full of complaints and yet they did nothing. So much for brand recognition and new technology :(
[QUOTE=Reshy;46581150][URL="http://www.computerworld.com/article/2604311/wd-leapfrogs-seagate-with-world-s-highest-capacity-10tb-helium-drive-new-flash-drives.html"]Wasn't there a 10TB HDD released a few months ago?[/URL][/QUOTE] That's a 3.5" drive so it should be a no-brainer that 8TB at 2.5" is more dense than 10TB at 3.5". [QUOTE][URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236551"]Also there have been 2TB 2.5" drives for a while now.[/URL][/QUOTE] Your point? This is an 8TB 2.5" drive, not a 2TB one.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46581368]Current SSDs don't even fill out the 2.5" enclosures most of the time. Get an adapter if it's a problem.[/QUOTE] Or just tape them to a 3.5 inch bay tray that's what I did and it works fine.
Judging by my old hard drives that exclusively broke because the mechanics somehow broke and thus trashed the whole HDD and comparing to SSD's that eventually will just disable bad sectors an SSD with same price, same space as a normal drive is the much better option.
I can't stand using machines without SSD's, even just the OS on a SSD is a massive speed improvement, seriously if you're not using a SSD get one. Games don't really benefit except perhaps some very texture heavy ones.
I actually used a SSD driven laptop today for the first time (a HP Elitebook Folio or something, super high end anyway). And even though Linux is usually pretty fucking snappy, this was a whole different level of responsiveness. I really hope that companies working out the density of the storage can help lower the price of lower capacity drives nicely, I wouldn't mind having one in my main laptop or computer.
[QUOTE=Elspin;46581906] Your point? This is an 8TB 2.5" drive, not a 2TB one.[/QUOTE] I think he's aiming at the fact that I said "The most spacious harddrive with the same dimensions can only hold 1TB." Which is true, the 2TB 2,5" HDD's are thicker
[QUOTE=Wiggles;46579778]Roughly a minimum of ten years assuming you don't write more than 10GB of data every day on average. [url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/6459/samsung-ssd-840-testing-the-endurance-of-tlc-nand[/url][/QUOTE] Bear in mind that's for lower capacity drives. The improvement is effectively linear as you increase drive capacity. A multi TB SSD essentially doesn't have a wear limit for the expected lifespan of the other components in normal usage cases. As long as the drive is not very close to it's capacity (this value will vary based on the drive's controller, flash chips, etc), the controller will take care of wear leveling with minimal overhead.
[QUOTE=Chryseus;46582345]I can't stand using machines without SSD's, even just the OS on a SSD is a massive speed improvement, seriously if you're not using a SSD get one. Games don't really benefit except perhaps some very texture heavy ones.[/QUOTE] Open world and sandbox games like Grand theft auto,Fallout etc. Benefit majorly from an ssd.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;46581125]SSD's for a long time now were pointlessly empty simply to fit 2.5" formfactors. Open an normal SSD and it's like 60% empty.[/QUOTE] Explains why I could buy a 250 GB mSATA SSD for about the same price as the 2.5" version.
[QUOTE=Demache;46583154]Explains why I could buy a 250 GB mSATA SSD for about the same price as the 2.5" version.[/QUOTE] yea the actual case is just a thin metal box with some screw holes. Basically nothing to it.
As an owner of a Samsung 840 Series SSD, they're pretty kickass. I put Win 7 and F:NV on them and the rest of my stuff on my 500GB HD. Gotta say that Samsung are arguably the front-runners in terms of SSDs.
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;46583669]As an owner of a Samsung 840 Series SSD, they're pretty kickass. I put Win 7 and F:NV on them and the rest of my stuff on my 500GB HD. Gotta say that Samsung are arguably the front-runners in terms of SSDs.[/QUOTE] Samsung and Kingston are the most reliable brands I've used.
Great, to celebrate this, I'll buy a 3,2TB SSD for my PCI Express for full speed! [url]http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/47846/dsvxj/OCZ-Z-Drive-R4-RM88-PCI-Express-SSD-3-2-TB-SSD-kovalevy-PCI[/url] Uh, wait, nevermind.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;46583325]yea the actual case is just a thin metal box with some screw holes. Basically nothing to it.[/QUOTE] Yup. For example, this is the Samsung 840 EVO: 256GB version: [img]http://content.hwigroup.net/images/products_larges/194680/3/samsung-840-evo-250gb.jpg[/img] 1TB version: [img]http://content.hwigroup.net/images/products_larges/194683/3/samsung-840-evo-1tb.jpg[/img] [editline]27th November 2014[/editline] Not that hard to get "more storage" by just stuffing more chips in there.
[QUOTE=Wiggles;46579778]Roughly a minimum of ten years assuming you don't write more than 10GB of data every day on average. [url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/6459/samsung-ssd-840-testing-the-endurance-of-tlc-nand[/url][/QUOTE] wow sweet
[QUOTE=Clavus;46585515]Yup. For example, this is the Samsung 840 EVO: 256GB version: [img]http://content.hwigroup.net/images/products_larges/194680/3/samsung-840-evo-250gb.jpg[/img] 1TB version: [img]http://content.hwigroup.net/images/products_larges/194683/3/samsung-840-evo-1tb.jpg[/img] [editline]27th November 2014[/editline] Not that hard to get "more storage" by just stuffing more chips in there.[/QUOTE] Ok, now is the other side of that extremely simple looking PCB pure platinum or what the shit causes them to cost so much? The chips themselves? I just googled it. Apparently it's the law of supply and demand. They're expensive because their demand is low. Gee I fucking wonder why it's low. Is there something I don't understand about the law of supply and demand?
[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;46585568]Ok, now is the other side of that extremely simple looking PCB pure platinum or what the shit causes them to cost so much? The chips themselves? I just googled it. Apparently it's the law of supply and demand. They're expensive because their demand is low. Gee I fucking wonder why it's low. Is there something I don't understand about the law of supply and demand?[/QUOTE] I think it's more related to the fact that the more you produce, the lower the production cost per capita will be.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46581304]Get a 250GB SSD and keep your hard drive? Put some of your games on the SSD, some on the hard drive. It's not like games are all that I/O intensive on the storage front anyway.[/QUOTE] The problem with that is that my Steam folder alone is 350 gigs or so and I have about 10 or 15 games I can't even download now because I'm out of space. I need at minimum a 500 gig SSD. Even if I did cherrypick [i]just[/i] the games that need a lot of I/O speed(Fallout: New Vegas, KSP, GTA SA, GTA IV, GTA V(soon, I will be pre-ordering the PC release on Steam)), I'd still have a better spend of money buying another platter drive than I would a 250GB SSD. I'd love to have an SSD but it's just not cost effective for me at this time. When I can get a 500gb unit for ~10-15 cents per gigabyte that's reasonably reliable I'll jump right on that shit, but until then I'll stick to platter drives. If I had more disposable income(I currently have exactly none of this and had to save for months to be able to pre-order GTA V PC) I might be more inclined to buy one sooner.
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